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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/10 17:05:21 (permalink)
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Hopefully this week we should see if Optimus is able to keep it's timelines.  They put out via twitter that emails should be going out this week for those who have placed orders with deliveries to be processed the following week.  I'm thinking it will still be end of September before we see our blocks, but maybe we will be lucky.  Even if the blocks are released late September, they did a pretty good job on timelines if it holds.  



Unfortunately, Optimus already said the 3090 Kingpin Blocks are delayed 2 more weeks.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/10 19:03:17 (permalink)
Yeah, I saw the tweet already earlier.  I know you had some issues with them so I'm still waiting to see if they are able to hold this latest release date now.  A couple of weeks wont hurt, but if there are additional delays then it may be of concern.  But I do like their products so at this point I'm good with waiting another two weeks.  That would put us at about 8 weeks once the products ship out from the time of initial preorder which isn't too bad considering.  
 
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/10 20:28:18 (permalink)
Can anyone tell me what the hybrid fan specs are? I can't find it anywhere on the product page.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/10 22:30:08 (permalink)
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Can anyone tell me what the hybrid fan specs are? I can't find it anywhere on the product page.



I think its these:
https://www.evga.com/products/pdf/400-HY-FX12-KR.pdf
 
My hybrid fans are in a box somewhere and I'll look for them this weekend.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/13 14:18:10 (permalink)
I took my hydro copper blocks apart to see if I could fix the leaks between the clear acrylic and the black part with the fittings.  The hydro copper kit on my 3090 Kingpin Hybrid was fixable for now, but the block on my Kingpin Hybrid still leaks even with ~30C fluid.  So the issue doesn't seem to be limited to sub ambient/chilled water cooling.
 
Who knows when the Optimus blocks will actually show up, so I contacted EVGA support.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/13 14:29:46 (permalink)
Bavor interesting. We’re you able to air test the block? If so do you mind sharing the your findings?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/13 15:25:55 (permalink)
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Bavor interesting. We’re you able to air test the block? If so do you mind sharing the your findings?



What exactly do you mean by air testing?  Do you mean testing with one of these? 
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-leak-tester
Initially the blocks and the entire loop held up to 30 minutes at 10 PSI with the EKWB air tester without any pressure drop.
 
If the block leaks with water now, it will leak with air.  

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/16 07:27:03 (permalink)
So here is my comparison of hybrid vs hydrocopper on the KP.  loop coolant temp max on HC is 42C during this run.  ambient temperature is 27C.
 
With the HC, overall memory temps are significantly better, but the hotspot and memory junction temps are worse vs the hybrid.  this is kind of a head scratcher.  I was super careful to make good contact with and using fresh thermal grizzly in the memory wells on the HC plate.  any suggestions?
 
 
hydrocopper port royal stress test
 

 
 
Hybrid port royal stress test
 

 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/16 08:06:09 (permalink)
single score PR 14676.  +1000m/+100c/121%
 
no tinkering with dip switches or voltage.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/66137130
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/16 21:35:26 (permalink)
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https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/66137130
 


You dropped 10c off your temps -- did you use different thermal pads?  It looks like the block was standing off of the core -- possibly the result of incorrect thermal pads.


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/17 07:28:18 (permalink)
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redteamgo
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/66137130
 


You dropped 10c off your temps -- did you use different thermal pads?  It looks like the block was standing off of the core -- possibly the result of incorrect thermal pads.


The run I posted above in the quote was about 15m after the 20x PR stress test so I think the system was a bit heat soaked.  Sorry for the lack of organization in the info I provided.
 
I've had some more interesting results this morning since I am taking the day and have some time.  It looks like once power breaks 480w and/or voltage exceeds 1.081V, that is why I crash.  That only happens when clock > +100c.  I might have gotten lucky with having a successful +110c run with the below settings.  You can see in the side by side HWInfo pic that I only got to 99% GPU usage in that run but the voltage didn't tick past 1.081v.  I have not had any successful PR runs at +110c since.
 
The conclusion seems to be that the voltage slide really does nothing on the LN2 bios when the wattage has already peaked.  In my case, the max wattage is achieved at a voltage of 1.081v which is equal to +v = +0v on my card, which is fascinating.  It appears that further increases in the voltage become a function of the available power.  Thus, I would need the 520w bios to have any changes to voltage actually impact the card's performance.  Is this faulty logic for overclocking?  It seems legit but I'm new to this.
 
 
From left to right:
1. PR 14,794 / settings: +1500m/+100c/+120p/+100v  (https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/66173775)
2. PR 14,972 / settings: +1500m/+110c/+120p/+100v  (https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/66174172)
3. PR crash   / settings: +1500m/+120c/+120p/+100v 
4. PR 14,876 / settings: +1500m/+100c/+120p/+0v  (https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/66175761)
 

 
Also additional info that might be relevant:
* The temperature sensor EC_TEMP1 is my loop coolant temp.
* The CPU is an 11700k that is underclocked to 4.0ghz for all of the above runs.
* Ambient temp is 25C / 77F
post edited by redteamgo - 2021/09/17 08:13:04
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/17 13:07:07 (permalink)
EVGA support issued a RMA for my leaking 3090 Hydro Copper water block.  I tried taking the top of the block apart and tightening the allen head screws that hold it on, but it continued to leak between the clear acrylic and the black plastic.  

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/18 13:40:54 (permalink)
Well, I broke 15k!  Going to give my computer a break and try to put CPU clock speeds back at stock and see what happens.
 
PR 15,144
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/66227078
+1500m/+120c/+121p/+100v
 

 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/18 15:51:42 (permalink)
Redteamtango,
Nice score.  Now enjoy your pc even more bro.  
 
Have a good weekend everyone and be safe.  
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/18 16:16:11 (permalink)
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Well, I broke 15k!  Going to give my computer a break and try to put CPU clock speeds back at stock and see what happens.
 
PR 15,144
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/66227078
+1500m/+120c/+121p/+100v
 

 
 


Mine will totally atrfat out and fritz more that 1350 mem.
I would try a higher clock when she is cold like 155 and see if you can get a couple hundred more 
PR is a clock whore . CPU really is not influencing scores here.


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/18 16:53:13 (permalink)
I think im gonna juat keep mine in the box and maybe itll be a collectors item down the road.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/09/18 17:05:50 (permalink)
If I get anywhere near +1400memory I get artifact reboot poof 
what if its the +1500m getting the PCB hot in one of its 12 layers? 
my highest OC is just sliders on AB, I think the Hybrid VRM fins might be doing something great beyond what the block is capable of ...
 


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/10/01 21:21:12 (permalink)
Got 15,506!
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1253618
KP Hydro Copper (+1550m/+155c/121p/+100v) + i9 11900K (@5.3GHz all-cores) + G-Skill F4-4000C (@3733-16-16-16-36 Gear1)


Really happy with the card and with the conversion to HC from Hybrid with a kit. Tried to increase cooling to the backside as much as possible and it seems to have worked very well.
post edited by g33km4n - 2021/10/03 18:21:36


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/10/04 06:33:33 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/10/04 12:53:51 (permalink)
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Got 15,506!
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1253618
KP Hydro Copper (+1550m/+155c/121p/+100v) + i9 11900K (@5.3GHz all-cores) + G-Skill F4-4000C (@3733-16-16-16-36 Gear1)


Really happy with the card and with the conversion to HC from Hybrid with a kit. Tried to increase cooling to the backside as much as possible and it seems to have worked very well.


sweet score! you have an awesome card.
 
do you mind me asking - for your voltage, did you do dipswitches or the classified tool?  do you mind sharing your specific settings on how you  did the voltage?  still trying to learn here 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/10/04 19:53:20 (permalink)
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Got 15,506!
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1253618
KP Hydro Copper (+1550m/+155c/121p/+100v) + i9 11900K (@5.3GHz all-cores) + G-Skill F4-4000C (@3733-16-16-16-36 Gear1)


Really happy with the card and with the conversion to HC from Hybrid with a kit. Tried to increase cooling to the backside as much as possible and it seems to have worked very well.


sweet score! you have an awesome card.
 
do you mind me asking - for your voltage, did you do dipswitches or the classified tool?  do you mind sharing your specific settings on how you  did the voltage?  still trying to learn here 


Thanks, yeah feel pretty lucky with this round of silicon lottery 
In this case, I used the dipswitches. NVVDD "1" and "2" ON, MSVDD "1" ON and "2" OFF. FB1 and LL1 all OFF. 


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/10/04 22:55:44 (permalink)
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Well, I broke 15k!  Going to give my computer a break and try to put CPU clock speeds back at stock and see what happens.
 
PR 15,144
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/66227078
+1500m/+120c/+121p/+100v
 

 
 




Nice score!
Still I think it's kinda sad to see a 26c delta with the HC Kit. This block just isn't good :(
 
post edited by elbramso - 2021/10/04 23:07:30

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2021/10/05 07:17:20 (permalink)
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Got 15,506!
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1253618
KP Hydro Copper (+1550m/+155c/121p/+100v) + i9 11900K (@5.3GHz all-cores) + G-Skill F4-4000C (@3733-16-16-16-36 Gear1)


Really happy with the card and with the conversion to HC from Hybrid with a kit. Tried to increase cooling to the backside as much as possible and it seems to have worked very well.


sweet score! you have an awesome card.
 
do you mind me asking - for your voltage, did you do dipswitches or the classified tool?  do you mind sharing your specific settings on how you  did the voltage?  still trying to learn here 


Thanks, yeah feel pretty lucky with this round of silicon lottery 
In this case, I used the dipswitches. NVVDD "1" and "2" ON, MSVDD "1" ON and "2" OFF. FB1 and LL1 all OFF. 


thank you!  I have tried that same combo, I can't seem to get a clock speed higher than +120.  luck of the draw I suppose.  
 
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Well, I broke 15k!  Going to give my computer a break and try to put CPU clock speeds back at stock and see what happens.
 
PR 15,144
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/66227078
+1500m/+120c/+121p/+100v
 

 
 




Nice score!
Still I think it's kinda sad to see a 26c delta with the HC Kit. This block just isn't good :(
 


agreed.  My ambient is a consistent 26-27C,  for my 3rd attempt to remount the HC block, the GPU temps are just 0.4C improved vs the hybrid in a 20x PR stress test.  I guess that could mean that the hybrid is really good too.  I'm waiting to see how good the optimus block is on the GPU temp.
 
i put together a comparison of the hybrid baseline and HC mountings that I've done.  In the 3rd mounting, the memory and power temps have significant improvements due to Gelid pads on the front and back but really.. that could have been achieved with the hybrid.  and all of the Gelid pads wasn't exactly cheap either - almost the cost of an active backplate.
 

 

post edited by redteamgo - 2021/10/05 07:25:01
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