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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/19 07:36:38 (permalink)
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Yes you could work with these clock speeds and think everything is OK but unfortunately it is not (if you ever seen Buildzoid videos about this matter). I guess almost every 3080 FTW3 Ultra has the same behaviour about it, let me say identical. Please keep your Core as +130 and lower your vRAM 400, then increase it as 500-600-.... until you notice a drop and here is your limit. Don't try to push it more over because it will be useless (such a shame). Even if you totaly solve TDP issue you will have this limit. Your system won't crash and you will see your vRAM is higher but it isn't (your feed for vRAM) stable anymore so your score will less then lower vRAM values.



That's the thing though, I started at +200, then +500, then +800 on the vRAM, score went up every time.  That's why I'm so confused as to why the score went down from running the Core & vRAM OC at the same time... I'll fiddle with it more tonight perhaps.
 
I did get a new personal best on pretty much all the benchmarks with some spicy meatballs settings though.  CPU @ 5GHz, RAM @ 4GHz CL17 (which I tested as being "stable" but we all know how RAM OCing works, it's stable until it isn't sometimes) & the 3080 @ +130/+800.  Every benchmark scored higher than my previous bests:
 
Port Royal 12737: https://www.3dmark.com/pr/414469
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FireStrike Extreme 20992: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23783616 (I remember with 10000 in extreme was considered insanely good, that wasn't so long ago lol)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/19 09:42:53 (permalink)
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Yes you could work with these clock speeds and think everything is OK but unfortunately it is not (if you ever seen Buildzoid videos about this matter). I guess almost every 3080 FTW3 Ultra has the same behaviour about it, let me say identical. Please keep your Core as +130 and lower your vRAM 400, then increase it as 500-600-.... until you notice a drop and here is your limit. Don't try to push it more over because it will be useless (such a shame). Even if you totaly solve TDP issue you will have this limit. Your system won't crash and you will see your vRAM is higher but it isn't (your feed for vRAM) stable anymore so your score will less then lower vRAM values.



That's the thing though, I started at +200, then +500, then +800 on the vRAM, score went up every time.  That's why I'm so confused as to why the score went down from running the Core & vRAM OC at the same time... I'll fiddle with it more tonight perhaps.
 
I did get a new personal best on pretty much all the benchmarks with some spicy meatballs settings though.  CPU @ 5GHz, RAM @ 4GHz CL17 (which I tested as being "stable" but we all know how RAM OCing works, it's stable until it isn't sometimes) & the 3080 @ +130/+800.  Every benchmark scored higher than my previous bests:
 
Port Royal 12737: 
TimeSpy Extreme 8932: 
TimeSpy 18194: 
FireStrike Ultra 11981: 
FireStrike Extreme 20992:  (I remember with 10000 in extreme was considered insanely good, that wasn't so long ago lol)
FireStrike 31878:  


The most important part of the GPU OC is core as you know. So increase the core as much as you can until you get a drop (or even crash) then if you are sure about you have found the stable core clock, switch to the mem without changing your core. Because you can’t feed the core and mem in the same time. One of them will be hungrier and it will cause a drop or crash if you try to increase them simultaneously. I’m sure that you already know these steps, it is just a kind reminder.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/19 09:56:05 (permalink)
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Yes you could work with these clock speeds and think everything is OK but unfortunately it is not (if you ever seen Buildzoid videos about this matter). I guess almost every 3080 FTW3 Ultra has the same behaviour about it, let me say identical. Please keep your Core as +130 and lower your vRAM 400, then increase it as 500-600-.... until you notice a drop and here is your limit. Don't try to push it more over because it will be useless (such a shame). Even if you totaly solve TDP issue you will have this limit. Your system won't crash and you will see your vRAM is higher but it isn't (your feed for vRAM) stable anymore so your score will less then lower vRAM values.



That's the thing though, I started at +200, then +500, then +800 on the vRAM, score went up every time.  That's why I'm so confused as to why the score went down from running the Core & vRAM OC at the same time... I'll fiddle with it more tonight perhaps.
 
I did get a new personal best on pretty much all the benchmarks with some spicy meatballs settings though.  CPU @ 5GHz, RAM @ 4GHz CL17 (which I tested as being "stable" but we all know how RAM OCing works, it's stable until it isn't sometimes) & the 3080 @ +130/+800.  Every benchmark scored higher than my previous bests:
 
Port Royal 12737: 
TimeSpy Extreme 8932: 
TimeSpy 18194: 
FireStrike Ultra 11981: 
FireStrike Extreme 20992:  (I remember with 10000 in extreme was considered insanely good, that wasn't so long ago lol)
FireStrike 31878:  


The most important part of the GPU OC is core as you know. So increase the core as much as you can until you get a drop (or even crash) then if you are sure about you have found the stable core clock, switch to the mem without changing your core. Because you can’t feed the core and mem in the same time. One of them will be hungrier and it will cause a drop or crash if you try to increase them simultaneously. I’m sure that you already know these steps, it is just a kind reminder.


Seems like I am having the same issue, the higher the clocks the performance drops (card does not crash), in some benches and games but not others.

I settled around +120 core which brings me to 2085-2100 boost and +400 on the ram, but any gain with ram clock increase is negligible I noticed.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/19 14:23:39 (permalink)
Can we have something like this for the XC3? I am hitting power limit all the time even with low clocks... I was thinking about watercooling it, but with this power limits, I don't think there is gonna be a great improvement...
 
BTW GPU-Z reports maximum of 340W Board Power draw, even when I have 107% Power limit selected, is that a bug or something? It should be hitting 366, right?
 
I settled it down to 1920Mhz @ 918mV on my XC3 Ultra for daily use, it runs cooler, just in case anyone is running one of these cards 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/19 16:05:46 (permalink)
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Can we have something like this for the XC3?



No, because of the 2x8-pin power already being maxed out.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 14:31:50 (permalink)
I’m waiting for XOC 3090 FTW3! Good Job!!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 15:36:45 (permalink)
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I’m waiting for XOC 3090 FTW3! Good Job!!

saaaaaaaaaame. although im pretty certain I need some major cooling upgrades to facilitate using that bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 16:27:05 (permalink)
When will it go out of beta?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 16:52:32 (permalink)
Any update on XOC bios for 3090?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 17:47:58 (permalink)
is this okay i'm hitting over 450 watt of usage while playing Metro Exodus in 4k/with ray tracing/ultra setting  temps is around 65-70 degree should i be worried? I did apply the OC BIOS to get 450, just a little surprise that I was drawing 450+ power. I'am OC 130+ /1000+
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 18:09:24 (permalink)
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is this okay i'm hitting over 450 watt of usage while playing Metro Exodus in 4k/with ray tracing/ultra setting  temps is around 65-70 degree should i be worried? I did apply the OC BIOS to get 450, just a little surprise that I was drawing 450+ power. I'am OC 130+ /1000+




Technically speaking the card can handle way more than 450W and be fine.  The YouTubers that are doing "extreme" cooling with ice water are mostly using an 800W BIOS from what I hear & they haven't blown up their cards (yet).
 
I've seen up to around 465W of draw so far from the card during testing, but most of the time it tops out in the 450-460 range, but I also haven't run Metro Exodus yet.  You can always back your clocks off a tiny bit if you're not comfortable with that much power draw.
 
But according to the accepted power specs for plugs on the card, these cards should be capable of:
PCIe Slot + 8-Pin + 8-Pin + 8-pin = 75W + 150W + 150W + 150W = 525W - so as long as you're not hitting 500W+, you should be completely fine, if you're getting up there towards that, you're putting a fair amount of stress on the PCIe slot, which is not good for the motherboard unless you have supplemental power plugged in to the board (which most newer gen boards at least on the Intel side DO NOT have supplemental power for PCIe like X79/X99/X299 do).
 
That's when you'd be getting in to actually unsafe realms.
 
What's your actual maximum power draw seen so far?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 18:19:29 (permalink)
Yup thanks for advice, my pc just crash lol, I'm connected to a pretty good UPC, I saw 456 draw then all of a sudden I hear a beep and notice that it was my UPS that went out, then my pc just lost power lol.. I have a corsairHX1000i and connected to this www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QZ3UG0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 maybe i should be connected to a wall outlet? Anyways for now I revert back to normal 400 watt, maybe I should get better PSU. Also how did you find this out? PCIe Slot + 8-Pin + 8-Pin + 8-pin = 75W + 150W + 150W + 150W = 525W  what monitor can i use to check my PCIe slot power draw

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 18:26:06 (permalink)
Yeah the UPS is the problem.  Plug in to the "SURGE ONLY" plugs on it, that is insufficient wattage to handle your entire system.  Plugged in to that you'll at least still have surge protection, which is very important.
 
You should be completely fine on the 450W BIOS by the way.  What's probably happening is, if your CPU is OCed at all, your system as a whole is probably drawing in the 600-700W range, which even the best PSUs would be pulling around 650-750W from the wall, so that's why it tripped your UPS' system up.
 
The Power draw I listed is the maximum "safe" wattage you can draw from each plug, not what the card will actually draw necessarily.
You can see what your card is (roughly) drawing from each thing by using GPUz, here's an example of what it looks like (on the right):
 

 
With my card @ +130MHz Core, +800 vRAM, I was seeing 52.4W from the PCIe slot, 124+131+126W from the 8-Pins, total board draw was 434W, but that's on Port Royal.  I did see up to about 460W in one test, I'll have to find which one it was...
 
Edit: To be clear, your PSU itself is NOT the issue most likely, that is a quality Power Supply unit.  The Backup Power is the issue that's causing the blink-out for sure, insufficient wattage to handle the draw of your system's full bore.
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 18:38:02 (permalink)
I see didn't know UPS could of been a culprit, will try to just plug it into the surge and see what happens. My CPU is overclock and nice score on Port Royal. But very skeptic on OC BIOS, when it was working fine, I notice higher temps, I guess it really will be optimize once this card gets water cooled or some better form of cooling gets release. Oh thank you for all your help :)

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 18:45:39 (permalink)
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I see didn't know UPS could of been a culprit, will try to just plug it into the surge and see what happens. My CPU is overclock and nice score on Port Royal. But very skeptic on OC BIOS, when it was working fine, I notice higher temps, I guess it really will be optimize once this card gets water cooled or some better form of cooling gets release. Oh thank you for all your help :)




Yeah I would try that, the shut down should not happen if you're plugged in to surge only & you run the same scenario again, same game same settings.  I would be shocked if it's tripping your PSU's over-current protection, that would mean you're drawing in excess of probably 1100W as most Corsair units are high quality & will run"over spec" without shutting down.  

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 18:59:30 (permalink)
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Yeah the UPS is the problem.  Plug in to the "SURGE ONLY" plugs on it, that is insufficient wattage to handle your entire system.  Plugged in to that you'll at least still have surge protection, which is very important.
 
You should be completely fine on the 450W BIOS by the way.  What's probably happening is, if your CPU is OCed at all, your system as a whole is probably drawing in the 600-700W range, which even the best PSUs would be pulling around 650-750W from the wall, so that's why it tripped your UPS' system up.
 
The Power draw I listed is the maximum "safe" wattage you can draw from each plug, not what the card will actually draw necessarily.
You can see what your card is (roughly) drawing from each thing by using GPUz, here's an example of what it looks like (on the right):
 

 
With my card @ +130MHz Core, +800 vRAM, I was seeing 52.4W from the PCIe slot, 124+131+126W from the 8-Pins, total board draw was 434W, but that's on Port Royal.  I did see up to about 460W in one test, I'll have to find which one it was...
 
Edit: To be clear, your PSU itself is NOT the issue most likely, that is a quality Power Supply unit.  The Backup Power is the issue that's causing the blink-out for sure, insufficient wattage to handle the draw of your system's full bore.
 
Edit 2: this is the UPS I'm using, I've never had it "blink out" on me yet, despite my system drawing in to the 1100+W range when I was running 2x Titan Xp's in SLi a few years ago, I got it on sale during Holiday Sales about 4 years ago for somethin' like $109: https://smile.amazon.com/...i-Tower/dp/B00429N19W/




I still don't understand why my card draws 110W/150W/80W from the 8 pin connectors. I have tried swapping them around and nothing changes. Your card shares the power really nicely between connectors but mine still has this big imbalance. I upgraded to a 1000W power supply yesterday and nothing has changed. I don't understand!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 20:36:53 (permalink)
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I still don't understand why my card draws 110W/150W/80W from the 8 pin connectors. I have tried swapping them around and nothing changes. Your card shares the power really nicely between connectors but mine still has this big imbalance. I upgraded to a 1000W power supply yesterday and nothing has changed. I don't understand!



Well when it comes down to it, that doesn't actually matter unless you're going over the rating of a single plug.  Is the PSU you got multi rail or single rail?  If it's single rail, it should be completely fine.
Are you on the Beta XOC BIOS or the standard OC bios?  I think I saw similar power-spread issues on the stock BIOS & the XOC one is the one used in the screencap above, that leveled it out more.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 21:11:03 (permalink)
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Well when it comes down to it, that doesn't actually matter unless you're going over the rating of a single plug.  Is the PSU you got multi rail or single rail?  If it's single rail, it should be completely fine.
Are you on the Beta XOC BIOS or the standard OC bios?  I think I saw similar power-spread issues on the stock BIOS & the XOC one is the one used in the screencap above, that leveled it out more.



Single rail, using the standard, OC and XOC, the power delivery is always imbalanced regardless of bios used. Nothing seems to change it.
 
My top score in Port Royal is 12388 so I am not exactly suffering for performance, but little things like this make me wonder where else I can optimise things further. XOC bios doesn't yield me any improvements at all either so I think that's something of a hard limit for my card.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 21:17:27 (permalink)
Ok I just realize that I installed the BIOS in wrong switch position am I screwed?, computer is still running and getting 450 watt, but I would like to have correct bios on correct switch.
BIOS 1 (Normal) - Did not install it yet. So can I install this while my physical switch is on Normal position? Also if I did install this BIOS1 Normal my power limit should be back at 400watt?
BIOS 2 (OC) - I install this but physical switch was on Normal position and getting 450watt.  Would like to install this again while on OC Switch position.
 
So can I install both BIOS 1 for 1
BIOS1 Normal on Normal position switch and then do the same with BIOS2 (OC) while on the OC Physical switch? 
 
Or just let it be, 450 watt is on Normal position switch, and 400 watt is on OC position switch, does it matter as long as everything is working?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/20 22:06:25 (permalink)
Follow the procedure listed at the beginning of the thread.
 
If you put one in the wrong spot, it's no big deal, you can reflash with the utility provided.  I would correct it so the OC BIOS is on the OC switch, just so you don't forget later on that it's "backwards".

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 01:52:23 (permalink)
Thanks for the non-ultra XOC beta VBIOS! I'm waiting for that card to arrive as is the one which was in stock in my country Spain.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 04:38:22 (permalink)
Well, plus 150 core, plus 800 vRAM is definitely on the edge of stability for me, but, combining that with my system RAM speed increase, got a new high score on Port Royal:
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/51944663 
 


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 04:42:50 (permalink)
Dabadger84
Well, plus 150 core, plus 800 vRAM is definitely on the edge of stability for me, but, combining that with my system RAM speed increase, got a new high score on Port Royal:
 
 
 



Quiet impressive! But do you have a chance to run Horizon Zero Dawn or Assasins Creed Odyssey with these speeds?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 05:02:45 (permalink)
When will there be more stocks ftw3 ultra gaming?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 05:09:42 (permalink)
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Well, plus 150 core, plus 800 vRAM is definitely on the edge of stability for me, but, combining that with my system RAM speed increase, got a new high score on Port Royal:
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/51944663 
 



Thats record level. I guess this can put you on top 10 3080's with Air. Prey the RNGJESUS for giving you golden sample

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 06:30:42 (permalink)
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Yes you could work with these clock speeds and think everything is OK but unfortunately it is not (if you ever seen Buildzoid videos about this matter). I guess almost every 3080 FTW3 Ultra has the same behaviour about it, let me say identical. Please keep your Core as +130 and lower your vRAM 400, then increase it as 500-600-.... until you notice a drop and here is your limit. Don't try to push it more over because it will be useless (such a shame). Even if you totaly solve TDP issue you will have this limit. Your system won't crash and you will see your vRAM is higher but it isn't (your feed for vRAM) stable anymore so your score will less then lower vRAM values.



That's the thing though, I started at +200, then +500, then +800 on the vRAM, score went up every time.  That's why I'm so confused as to why the score went down from running the Core & vRAM OC at the same time... I'll fiddle with it more tonight perhaps.
 
I did get a new personal best on pretty much all the benchmarks with some spicy meatballs settings though.  CPU @ 5GHz, RAM @ 4GHz CL17 (which I tested as being "stable" but we all know how RAM OCing works, it's stable until it isn't sometimes) & the 3080 @ +130/+800.  Every benchmark scored higher than my previous bests:
 
Port Royal 12737: 
TimeSpy Extreme 8932: 
TimeSpy 18194: 
FireStrike Ultra 11981: 
FireStrike Extreme 20992:  (I remember with 10000 in extreme was considered insanely good, that wasn't so long ago lol)
FireStrike 31878:  




I got this 3dmark.com/spy/14408043
+140 core
+700 mem
+0 voltage
+105% PT
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 08:40:43 (permalink)
Hey all. I've been following these posts, and seeing a ton of you with 1200W+ PSUs, and a few comments regarding this "not being reddit", therefore you buy big PSUs.
 
My question - how necessary is it, really? I understand the idea of having additional headroom, running quieter/cooler, longevity of the PSU, etc. But beyond those aspects, is there really anything wrong with going with an 850W Corsair RMX for the new BIOS, as EVGA states as the min? I'm running with an 8700k @ 4.9GHz with a 280mm AIO, with a 3080 FTW3. Nothing else really powered by my PC other than a few fans. 
 
Using 850W, will I run into any issues with OCing? Will I be limited by power, or will I simply be running close to the max draw from my PSU, potentially hurting its longevity (which I don't really care about... tbh).
 
So many different opinions out there - really hard to come to a conclusion! 
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 08:42:48 (permalink)
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Follow the procedure listed at the beginning of the thread.
 
If you put one in the wrong spot, it's no big deal, you can reflash with the utility provided.  I would correct it so the OC BIOS is on the OC switch, just so you don't forget later on that it's "backwards".


 so it didn't work its really weird I have the physical switch on "NORMAL" and my BIOS shows the right version 94.02.26.48.87, but I'm still showing 450 max watt drawing, really strange. Power limit still goes up to 118% I uninstall both MSI/PRECISION still no luck. But weird part is that I only draw max 400 when I monitor with RIVATUNER . This BIOS still buggy. I'mma still keep mesing with it
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 14:59:03 (permalink)
Finally figured out what was causing my inconsistencies.

Tried undervolting using afterburner, was able to achieve .975@2100 core and +500 on the memory. Great gains with temps and power draw lower. I launched precision X1 to check if all 3 fans were running and all of a sudden performance starts going all over the place, drop in fps or no change in multiple games. I reboot everything is fine again, open up precision x1, benchmarks and games start tanking. I close precision x1, everything back to normal.

Seems like the application is causing issues with my 3080. I have not tried older versions, so couldn't say if it's a problem with the latest software.

Sticking with afterburner for the time being until this somehow resolves with a newer version of precision x1.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 15:44:04 (permalink)
Precision X1 is a resource vampire, don't leave it open in the background.
 
Having it minimized to the system tray seems to be OK.
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