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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
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kram36How is your Average speed compared to your Reported speed on Ethermine? It varies. Pretty close to the same. Sometimes more than reported, some times less than reported. Pretty close either way. Right now average is 85 MH/s and reported is 88 MH/s. Edit, later as things have averaged out more: Hashrate Current 88.9 MH/s Average 88.7 MH/s Reported 88.6 MH/s Shares Valid 100% Stale 0 (this seems to reset every hour, so some of my stales have dropped off, even though it showed some stales earlier) Invalid 0 (I am not sure if I have had any invalid earlier, but this seems to reset every hour)
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
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Oh man, the profit of mining with a different Ethereum pool is so good. Why do people even use Nicehash and use a Bitcoin in-between which eats up some of their profit? Why doesn't everyone mine Ethereum straight to an exchange wallet and sell it for more profit than Nicehash and Bitcoin will provide? I guess the only benefit to Nicehash and using Bitcoin is the hope that the Bitcoin value will increase significantly between the time that it is mined and the time that it is sold. With Nicehash, I was getting about $40 a week (before electricity costs). Now, mining to a different Ethereum pool, my payments are about $60 a week (before electricity costs). The electricity costs remain the same, so that isn't a factor. I'm not even factoring the inefficiency in my case where I was exchanging Bitcoin to Monero and transferring out the Monero. I am talking straight profits in regards to Nicehash's Bitcoin payments versus the other pool's Ethereum payments. Both Bitcoin and Ethereum can be sold straight for cash, so I don't know why people don't just mine Ethereum and sell Ethereum for more profit versus mining Ethereum with Nicehash, getting payed Bitcoin by Nicehash, and then selling the Bitcoin for cash. We'll see. Maybe things will settle out and average out to be more equal. Maybe I happened to switch at a coincidental time.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/07 10:38:52
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ty_ger07 Oh man, the profit of mining with a different Ethereum pool is so good. Why do people even use Nicehash and use a Bitcoin in-between which eats up some of their profit? Why doesn't everyone mine Ethereum straight to an exchange wallet and sell it for more profit than Nicehash and Bitcoin will provide? I guess the only benefit to Nicehash and using Bitcoin is the hope that the Bitcoin value will increase significantly between the time that it is mined and the time that it is sold. With Nicehash, I was getting about $40 a week (before electricity costs). Now, mining to a different Ethereum pool, my payments are about $60 a week (before electricity costs). The electricity costs remain the same, so that isn't a factor. I'm not even factoring the inefficiency in my case where I was exchanging Bitcoin to Monero and transferring out the Monero. I am talking straight profits in regards to Nicehash's Bitcoin payments versus the other pool's Ethereum payments. Both Bitcoin and Ethereum can be sold straight for cash, so I don't know why people don't just mine Ethereum and sell Ethereum for more profit versus mining Ethereum with Nicehash, getting payed Bitcoin by Nicehash, and then selling the Bitcoin for cash. We'll see. Maybe things will settle out and average out to be more equal. Maybe I happened to switch at a coincidental time.
Exactly why I said to stop using NiceHash for your specific situation. If a person is mining to sell ASAP, then NiceHash is still good.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/07 11:39:21
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kram36 If a person is mining to sell ASAP, then NiceHash is still good.
Why? As I said, the profits are higher by mining Ethereum and selling Ethereum without using Nicehash at all. Why use Nicehash, lose 2% to Nicehash fees, lose "?" amount to whatever internal crap Nicehash is pulling with their order, pool, and payment system, and then potentially lose some to Bitcoin transfers. Even if you don't pay any Bitcoin transaction fees (using your Coinbase transfer method), there is still a BIG apparent "?" amount lost somewhere in the process. As I said, my payments are approximately 33% higher by mining straight Ethereum and potentially selling that Ethereum (if I wanted to). 33%!? Where is the slack being accounted for? Like I said in my previous post, the approximately 33% difference in profit is before bitcoin transfer fees. My Nicehash payments to my Nicehash wallet (before any external transaction fees) is approximately 33% lower than the Ethermining pool. What in the world!? There is zero benefit to Bitcoin payments vs Ethereum payments, unless you are holding onto Bitcoin as an investment. If you are selling right away, the form of payment is immaterial. Holding onto it as a Bitcoin investment is the only use-case where I can see Nicehash as beneficial. And, ease-of-use, of course. For all other purposes, especially if "mining to sell ASAP", there is no reason to use Nicehash, according to my observations so far. It may be pure coincidence!? Did Ethereum profitability just happen to improve 33% right when I decided to change pools? Otherwise, Nicehash must be taking extra cuts somewhere; or passing on some of Miners' profits to buyers to make buying more attractive to buyers. I don't think they are totally transparent about it. And, if you look at Nicehash's published profitability -- and advertising in general -- Nicehash is notoriously bad at over-estimating and over-selling. Maybe Nicehash is marketing based on that magicaly missing 33%? I mean, this observation is kind of premature, sure. In a couple of weeks I will have a better idea of how things average out. But, initially, I am shocked. I can't be the only one who has observed this. Some numbers: Nicehash:Payments: 2-5-21 0.00103395 BTC 0.1% fee Value before fee: $39.331-30-21 0.00108151 BTC 8.8% fee Value before fee: $44.721-24-21 0.00104240 BTC 0.1% fee Value before fee: $39.65Average of 1 payment per 6 days Total number of days covered: 18 Average pay per day: $6.87 Ethermine:Slightly less than 4 days mining so far. Unpaid balance: 0.02268 ETH Value of 0.02268 ETH: $35.89 Average pay per day: $8.97Giving Nicehash the absolute most benefit of the doubt, my Nicehash payments were 25% lower than my Ethermine profitability ( so far). In those slightly less than 4 days, 1/2 of the first day was at only 40% of my hashing power because both of my 2 laptops were still mining Nicehash. In those slightly less than 4 days, 1/2 of the next day was at only 64% of my hashing power because one of my 2 laptops was still mining Nicehash. Taking into account that I am actually at slightly less than 4 days, and taking into account the hashing power, the actual totally fair difference is closer to 33% different. We'll see how things trend long-term.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/07 13:09:50
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kram36 If a person is mining to sell ASAP, then NiceHash is still good.
Why? As I said, the profits are higher by mining Ethereum and selling Ethereum without using Nicehash at all. Why use Nicehash, lose 2% to Nicehash fees, lose "?" amount to whatever internal crap Nicehash is pulling with their order, pool, and payment system, and then potentially lose some to Bitcoin transfers. Even if you don't pay any Bitcoin transaction fees (using your Coinbase transfer method), there is still a BIG apparent "?" amount lost somewhere in the process. As I said, my payments are approximately 33% higher by mining straight Ethereum and potentially selling that Ethereum (if I wanted to). 33%!? Where is the slack being accounted for? Like I said in my previous post, the approximately 33% difference in profit is before bitcoin transfer fees. My Nicehash payments to my Nicehash wallet (before any external transaction fees) is approximately 33% lower than the Ethermining pool. What in the world!? There is zero benefit to Bitcoin payments vs Ethereum payments, unless you are holding onto Bitcoin as an investment. If you are selling right away, the form of payment is immaterial. Holding onto it as a Bitcoin investment is the only use-case where I can see Nicehash as beneficial. And, ease-of-use, of course. For all other purposes, especially if "mining to sell ASAP", there is no reason to use Nicehash, according to my observations so far. It may be pure coincidence!? Did Ethereum profitability just happen to improve 33% right when I decided to change pools? Otherwise, Nicehash must be taking extra cuts somewhere; or passing on some of Miners' profits to buyers to make buying more attractive to buyers. I don't think they are totally transparent about it. And, if you look at Nicehash's published profitability -- and advertising in general -- Nicehash is notoriously bad at over-estimating and over-selling. Maybe Nicehash is marketing based on that magicaly missing 33%? I mean, this observation is kind of premature, sure. In a couple of weeks I will have a better idea of how things average out. But, initially, I am shocked. I can't be the only one who has observed this.
Because NiceHash's Excavator miner has a ZERO DevFee, then NiceHash will transfer the Bitcoin to your Coinbase account with ZERO fees and Coinbase will send the money to your PayPal account with ZERO fees and PayPal will send the money to your Bank account with ZERO fees. This is great for people looking to sell, not hold. A person doing this will save the 2% NiceHash fee easily. As far as a 33% increase in profits by going to Ethermine from NiceHash. I'm not seeing that? It started out pretty slow, that's why I asked you what your Average and Reported speeds were. I'll have a percentage increase or decrease once I get my first payout, but at today's prices I made $39.24 in 3 days on NiceHash, on Ethermine it says $39.33 just a little over 3 days. So it seems to be pretty close to me. But like I said, in your situation, you're better off not using NiceHash.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/07 13:16:31
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I was using a miner with a 1% dev fee. The 0% excavator mining fee is immaterial, especially since excavator has a slightly lower hashing rate. This cannot account for a 33% difference in profitability. The transfer with "ZERO fees" is again immaterial. Like I said, I wasn't including my Nicehash transfer fee loss, because I adjusted up my potential Nicehash profitability based on the fact that I failed to use the "ZERO fees" method. In all of my numbers, I have given Nicehash the absolute most benefit of the doubt, but still, the difference is huge. I had just edited my post above with numbers. But here I will provide them again: Some numbers: Nicehash:Payments: 2-5-21 0.00103395 BTC 0.1% fee Value before fee: $39.331-30-21 0.00108151 BTC 8.8% fee Value before fee: $44.721-24-21 0.00104240 BTC 0.1% fee Value before fee: $39.65Average of 1 payment per 6 days Total number of days covered: 18 Average pay per day excluding transfer fees: $6.87 Ethermine:Slightly less than 4 days mining so far. Unpaid balance: 0.02268 ETH Value of 0.02268 ETH: $35.89 Average potential pay per day so far: $8.97Giving Nicehash the absolute most benefit of the doubt, my Nicehash payments were 25% lower than my Ethermine profitability ( so far). In those slightly less than 4 days, 1/2 of the first day was at only 40% of my hashing power because 2 of my 2 laptops were still mining Nicehash. In those slightly less than 4 days, 1/2 of the next day was at only 64% of my hashing power because 1 of my 2 laptops was still mining Nicehash. In my math above, I completely ignored the fact that I wasn't at full hashing power for those days. I am giving Nicehash the absolute fullest benefit of the doubt with all of my math. Taking into account that I am actually at slightly less than 4 days, and taking into account that I wasn't using my full hashing power for the full period, the actual totally fair difference is closer to 33% different. Being completely unfair to Ethermine, Ethermine is still 25% more profitable for me in the last 4 days. That's crazy. Has Ethereum profitability changed that much coincidentally right when I switched? Or was Nicehash being unfair about how much BTC it was giving me for my mined ETH? Maybe it was a glitch. Maybe Nicehash screwed me over, on accident or on purpose. I don't know. Maybe I am the only person in the world who was being screwed by Nicehash. I don't know. All I know is that, in my case, switching away from Nicehash coincidentally gave me a huge boost in profitability which I cannot explain in any other way. We will see what happens in a week or two or more. All I know is that, in this short period of time, I am shocked of the apparent difference. I could be totally wrong. It could all be a coincidence. I just can't explain it.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/07 14:09:09
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Excavator hashed at as good or better speeds for me then any other miner. Very rarely saw a stale share with Excavator either, yet on Ethermine I see 1% stale share on average, but PhoenixMiner never shows the stale share. Is Ethermine padding their pockets with these "stale share"? Anyways looking at whattomine.com it says on NiceHash I should get $13.50 a day after electric cost, but with Ethermine's stats I'm making $13.88 a day after electric cost. I'll have to look at it this way as I forgot I added in a GTX 1080 Ti half way through Feb 4th on NiceHash. That's not a 33% increase, but it is a 2.5% increase. However, my RTX 2080 Super mines Octopuss at 7% better than it does Ethereum, which is what I mined with that card on NiceHash. Maybe me using Excavator to mine Ethereum and mining Ocopuss on my RTX 2080 Super, I'm not seeing the gains you are?
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/07 14:26:01
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Well, keep me posted. I'll keep you posted. Just a reminder: I am not taking into account my electricity costs in my math above. It's technically not my profitability (even though I may have said that some times), but it is directly related to my profitability because my electricity usage remained the same, my cards' settings and efficiencies remained the same, and my MH/s remained the same. My reported MH/s with Nicehash, and my reported MH/s using Ethermine is almost exactly the same. It's so weird. How can the reported speeds be the same, but the difference in pay so great? Using the site you just mentioned, my pay (before electricity costs) should have been $8.01 per day using Nicehash. My actual pay (before electricity costs and before transfer fees) was $6.87 per day using Nicehash. Big difference. Again, I must have been being screwed by Nicehash somehow, for some reason. Additionally, that website you just mentioned estimates that Nicehash (best case! not when being screwed like me) would pay at 8.5% lower than mining straight Ethereum when using my hardware. 8.5% is not 25% or 33%, but it is on the way to confirming that there may be a considerable expected difference in pay.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/07 15:06:19
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Strange, whattomine.com was always lower then what I was actually getting on NiceHash.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/08 10:08:14
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ty_ger07 Well, keep me posted. I'll keep you posted.
Is Ethermine currently showing your rigs as offline even though they are mining and submitting shares? It's been over 1 hour since my dashboard has seen my rigs and showing them as inactive.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
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Huh. Every now and then it shows some of my rigs offline even though they are active and submitting shares, but I have only seen that happen for like 10 minutes or something. Not an hour. And not all of them at any one time. I just got done power-modding my Razer GTX 1060 laptop. It's probably not a smart thing to do, but I was seeing that it was throttling due to power quite a bit. It isn't any more. I was getting stale shares with it. Not a lot, but more with it than my rig or my other laptop. Now I hope it will have a lower stale rate. Fortunately this also allowed me to see that my battery was getting puffy, so I took the battery out. Now neither of my laptops have batteries installed. lol
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
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ty_ger07 Huh. Every now and then it shows some of my rigs offline even though they are active and submitting shares, but I have only seen that happen for like 10 minutes or something. Not an hour. And not all of them at any one time.
As of right now are your rigs showing as active? I'm over 2 hours and it shows all my rigs inactive, but they are running and submitting shares.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
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Yes, they are all showing active at the moment.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
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My rigs were sending shares, for some reason my browser wasn't doing something right. Think I'm going to go back to NiceHash though. Too many ups and downs with Ethermine on the Average speed and Stale shares. Didn't have this issue at NiceHash. Yes at the 12:00 point I took one card off Ethermine and mined on NiceHash, plus I was restarting the the other rigs thinking something was wrong there until I figured out my browser wasn't displaying the Ethermine dashboard correctly.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
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Good for you. It is obvious that different things work better for different people. This is what mine looks like at the moment: The big dip this morning is while I was power modding my Razer Blade GTX 1060 laptop. After poking around a bit with a multimeter, I was amazed at how easy the process was. The current sense resistors for the CPU and GPU must be on the other side of the motherboard, and I didn't want to have to take the whole motherboard out. So, I soldered a small (important) wire from after the input jack fuse to one of the GPU power input capacitors. The current sense resistor is on the other side of the board somewhere between those points, and I am basically bypassing some the current using a small wire. If the wire is too big, a lot of current will bypass the sense resistor and might send it into some goofy limp-mode when it detects that there is something weird happening. I think I used a 22 or 24 gauge wire (it's not marked, and I can't remember what it was when I bought it years ago, but it looks like 22 or 24 gauge), and the current reading dropped from 77 watts to 31 watts. The current sense resistor which you can see (visible in image below) is not related to the GPU power. It appears to be related to the battery vs charger input power circuitry. Honestly I have not seen the GPU current sense resistor and can't seem to find any decent images online, but I have to conclude that it is on the other side of the motherboard somewhere. Just for fun, I pushed it a little and saw that my peak performance definitely increased, but I was scared that I would break it after any duration. The cooling in this laptop is not very good. After pushing it a bit, I dropped my voltage/frequency curve back down to what I was using before, and it is running pretty much the same, but seems more consistent ( seems to have less stale shares) due to less intermittent power throttling blips. We will see. No harm done yet, and it is reversible. Also, like I said above, good thing I opened the laptop up. The battery was starting to get puffy. Now neither one of my laptops are running with their batteries installed.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
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BoostedTinCan79 I use Coinomi is that a safe wallet to transfer my bitcoin from nicehash for the moment?
It's not a safe wallet.
New card, RTX 3080 Foudners Edition, just poped it in to test, Nicehash/ phoenix
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/09 18:39:15
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Imagine that hashing power. And that efficiency.
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im still shocked to see this kind of hash/s on my screen, wondering if i should get a bigger power suply and biger case and throw the 1080sc in there or just sell it 98 MH/s
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i replaced few fans already on my curent case,i have a 140 mm noctua nf-a14 flx blowing in on top , i replaced rear with noctua 120mm and i put 2 more 120 noctua in front on my radiator
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ty_ger07 Imagine that hashing power. And that efficiency.
Almost had a EVGA RTX 3080 this morning. https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3219028 Would be nice to have that efficiency. My 1080 Ti and 2080 Super are back over to NiceHash and my 3070 is finishing up the little bit I need to hit the 0.05 on Ethermine, then the 3070 is back over to NiceHash.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
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i keep reading anout 3080 memory throtle problems, not sure if i quite understand that, i do noticed my gpu clock slightly jump few mhz up and down, is that what it means by throttleing?
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BoostedTinCan79 i keep reading anout 3080 memory throtle problems, not sure if i quite understand that, i do noticed my gpu clock slightly jump few mhz up and down, is that what it means by throttleing?
No, the memory itself is throttling. Usually happens with cards that have a bad cooling design or people are letting them get too hot. The FE 3080 are designed great for cooling, if you have the proper air flow in your case. You're reported MH/s is not showing any throttling. However, IMO, your card's GPU temp is a bit high for having the fans at 90%. Maybe the room the system is in is warm?
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i switched the fans to auto now, i had them runing at 90% manualy wasnt sure how to set them up, temp is at 54C and looks like the fans linger around 60% at that temp, if i did water cooling for the card would that help drop memory temps? My memory temps seems scary 106c
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Is it starting to happen? Monero is up 55% in the past week. It should go up another 400% eventually. Maybe.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/13 10:44:00
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ty_ger07 Is it starting to happen? Monero is up 55% in the past week. It should go up another 400% eventually. Maybe.
Nice! At some point I personally would take part of the gains, you just have to time it right. Sell maybe half of your Monero at the highest point before the bubble pops again, then repurchase after the pop. Something to think about.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/16 12:12:28
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Several years ago I tried mining with my 1080SC and 1050ti/1050s and decided it wasn't worth the cost of electricity and burning out my graphics cards as well as general wear on my system.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/16 13:25:44
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For me, Ethermine is still holding at at 25% - 33% greater payout than Nicehash. I don't have enough sample points to give an exact measurement, but estimates right now are still between that range. RHWilliamsSeveral years ago I tried mining with my 1080SC and 1050ti/1050s and decided it wasn't worth the cost of electricity and burning out my graphics cards as well as general wear on my system. It's definitely worth the electricity right now. It might not be worth the wear and tear; that's a matter of opinion.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/16 15:33:32
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kram36 Strange, whattomine.com was always lower then what I was actually getting on NiceHash.
I bought the 850 power supply you posted above, and threw in both cards just to see the results, not sure if its effient running 2 cards, i had to turn the memory clock down a tad on the 3080 because it was reaching 108 , hopefuly the thermal pads will help that With 3080 alone acording to nicehash the curent proffitability was 9.40-10.40$ day now its 14-15$ (on the web site) on the app it self is bit lower, looks loke a solid 4$ more Here is a screen shot EVGA 1080sc EVGA 3080 FE Phoenix/nicehash I do have some thermal pad replacements coming in for the 3080
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080SC + Mining Question
2021/02/16 16:58:23
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kram36 Strange, whattomine.com was always lower then what I was actually getting on NiceHash.
I bought the 850 power supply you posted above, and threw in both cards just to see the results, not sure if its effient running 2 cards, i had to turn the memory clock down a tad on the 3080 because it was reaching 108 , hopefuly the thermal pads will help that With 3080 alone acording to nicehash the curent proffitability was 9.40-10.40$ day now its 14-15$ (on the web site) on the app it self is bit lower, looks loke a solid 4$ more Here is a screen shot EVGA 1080sc EVGA 3080 FE Phoenix/nicehash I do have some thermal pad replacements coming in for the 3080
Your 1080 MH/s looks low and I don't see the ETHlargementPill-r2 running. Are you not running the ETHlargementPill-r2? EDIT: Hope you picked up the PSU before Newegg raised the price on it. Not such a great buy at the price Newegg has it at right now.
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