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2022/08/31 12:01:16 (permalink)
A quick browse through the product site and forum and couldn't find any mention of a current or forthcoming ATX 3.0 PSU.
 
Does EVGA have something coming? MSI and Corsair have announced theirs.
 
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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/08/31 14:02:36 (permalink)
    They haven't announced anything yet, we've all been patiently waiting.  I'm hopeful that we will hear something in the next month or so.
     
     
     
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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/03 09:30:35 (permalink)
    You'll have to wait and see if EVGA decides to make an announcement, provided they have a model in development. 

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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/03 12:05:55 (permalink)
    Maybe at PAX West ?
     
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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/22 07:27:14 (permalink)
    Whelp...now the list of ATX 3.0 PSU's include:
     
    Seasonic
    ASUS
    Silverstone
    MSI
    Corsair
     
    Still nothing from EVGA and we all know they aren't busy designing a RTX4XXX card.
     
    Starting to look like for the 1st time in 20 years, there will be no EVGA parts as part of my PC build.
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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/22 10:37:22 (permalink)
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    Whelp...now the list of ATX 3.0 PSU's include:
     
    Seasonic
    ASUS
    Silverstone
    MSI
    Corsair
     
    Still nothing from EVGA and we all know they aren't busy designing a RTX4XXX card.
     
    Starting to look like for the 1st time in 20 years, there will be no EVGA parts as part of my PC build.


     
    I saw the announcement for the Seasonic, Asus, Silverstone and Thermaltake units but no mention of Corsair. or MSI.
     
    Where did you see that about Corsair? I'd like to check it out.

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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/23 03:19:04 (permalink)
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    Whelp...now the list of ATX 3.0 PSU's include:
     
    Seasonic
    ASUS
    Silverstone
    MSI
    Corsair
     
    Still nothing from EVGA and we all know they aren't busy designing a RTX4XXX card.
     
    Starting to look like for the 1st time in 20 years, there will be no EVGA parts as part of my PC build.




    Did Corsair actually announce they are making 3.0 PSU or just that some of their existing PSU work as long as you buy the adapter cable?



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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/23 04:50:56 (permalink)
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    Whelp...now the list of ATX 3.0 PSU's include:
     
    Seasonic
    ASUS
    Silverstone
    MSI
    Corsair
     
    Still nothing from EVGA and we all know they aren't busy designing a RTX4XXX card.
     
    Starting to look like for the 1st time in 20 years, there will be no EVGA parts as part of my PC build.




    Did Corsair actually announce they are making 3.0 PSU or just that some of their existing PSU work as long as you buy the adapter cable?


    If you have a type 4 Corsair PSU you can order the cable. However, I would expect Corsair probably has an ATX 3.0 PSU in development. 

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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/23 04:57:50 (permalink)
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    If you have a type 4 Corsair PSU you can order the cable. However, I would expect Corsair probably has an ATX 3.0 PSU in development. 


    There is a very high chance that some of their more recent PSUs are already ATX 3.0 compliant.
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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/23 05:26:51 (permalink)
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    If you have a type 4 Corsair PSU you can order the cable. However, I would expect Corsair probably has an ATX 3.0 PSU in development. 


    There is a very high chance that some of their more recent PSUs are already ATX 3.0 compliant.



    The cable is already listed. I wonder how it handles the 4 sense pins
     
    https://www.corsair.com/u...wer-Cable/p/CP-8920284



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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/23 07:32:58 (permalink)
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    If you have a type 4 Corsair PSU you can order the cable. However, I would expect Corsair probably has an ATX 3.0 PSU in development. 


    There is a very high chance that some of their more recent PSUs are already ATX 3.0 compliant.



    The cable is already listed. I wonder how it handles the 4 sense pins
     
    https://www.corsair.com/u...wer-Cable/p/CP-8920284


    Very good question.
     
    I've been staring at the picture and it looks like they have 2 pins of the 4 position connector but I could swear there are no wires coming out of them.
    Plus there are only 12 wires total coming out of the connector with the 12 wires split among the 2 8-pin connectors.
     
    I thing the sense pins are simply dead pins going nowhere.

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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/23 08:05:09 (permalink)
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    If you have a type 4 Corsair PSU you can order the cable. However, I would expect Corsair probably has an ATX 3.0 PSU in development. 


    There is a very high chance that some of their more recent PSUs are already ATX 3.0 compliant.



    The cable is already listed. I wonder how it handles the 4 sense pins
     
    https://www.corsair.com/u...wer-Cable/p/CP-8920284


    Very good question.
     
    I've been staring at the picture and it looks like they have 2 pins of the 4 position connector but I could swear there are no wires coming out of them.
    Plus there are only 12 wires total coming out of the connector with the 12 wires split among the 2 8-pin connectors.
     
    I thing the sense pins are simply dead pins going nowhere.


    I would think each 8 pin would have a total of 7 wires coming off, since the 12 pin portion only uses 6 positive and 6 negative, and then two sense pins. Corsair may also be sending a ground up to the sense pins as that is all the sense pins use to need. Corsair shows the two sense pins in the picture:



    If there were 4 connectors total, you would see 4 sense pins, because pci-sig still pushes the archaic max wattage of 150w per 8 pin, when they are actually far more capable that 150w. The 12+4 in PCI Gen 5 connectors are literally the same wires with smaller connectors on the end, so the old saying “anything you can do, I can do better” doesn’t work for the new connectors. They are all the same as long as the connection isn’t loose or a terrible PSU isn’t used.


    I am going to order one when they are available and look at it closer to see if it is any different than the dual 6 to 12 pin connections.
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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/23 08:32:34 (permalink)
    I would really love to have the new spec, I want PCIe Gen 5 connections. Seeing as they just dropped the G7 PSUs, it would appear, not any time soon.

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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/23 08:57:41 (permalink)
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    I would think each 8 pin would have a total of 7 wires coming off, since the 12 pin portion only uses 6 positive and 6 negative, and then two sense pins. Corsair may also be sending a ground up to the sense pins as that is all the sense pins use to need. Corsair shows the two sense pins in the picture:



    If there were 4 connectors total, you would see 4 sense pins, because pci-sig still pushes the archaic max wattage of 150w per 8 pin, when they are actually far more capable that 150w. The 12+4 in PCI Gen 5 connectors are literally the same wires with smaller connectors on the end, so the old saying “anything you can do, I can do better” doesn’t work for the new connectors. They are all the same as long as the connection isn’t loose or a terrible PSU isn’t used.


    I am going to order one when they are available and look at it closer to see if it is any different than the dual 6 to 12 pin connections.


    What your saying makes perfect sense.
    However, look at the 8-pin picture.

    As far as I can see from this bad angle there are 6 wires to each 8-pin.
    I would love to know what you find out.
     
    I don't see where they have connected the sense pins to ground at either end.
    I didn't know that the sense pins only need to be connected to ground. Thanks.

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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/23 08:59:28 (permalink)
    The pictures are misrepresenting the cables no matter what, since they are renders of the actual cable. In the connector itself there are 8 pins shown, and there are only 6 cables coming out. No company would stick two pins into the connector without the cable coming out.

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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/23 09:28:24 (permalink)
    Oh, now I understand my mistake. I put too much stock in the marketing drawings. Should have thought of that. Thanks.

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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/23 23:02:46 (permalink)
    So is the EVGA 1600W T2 PSU not sufficient for the 4090? Is there a risk of failure and/or damage to the GPU and/or system without an official "ATX 3.0" PSU?

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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/24 00:42:11 (permalink)
    Looking at Jays video on YouTube I am thinking people will not want to use adapters. I am fully expecting the EVGA PSU in the next week or two in time for the GPU launches.

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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/24 05:26:42 (permalink)
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    Looking at Jays video on YouTube I am thinking people will not want to use adapters. I am fully expecting the EVGA PSU in the next week or two in time for the GPU launches.

    In these remaining weeks before the end of 2022 I expect we'll see a lot more power supplies from the OEMs that are ATX 3.0 compliant. 

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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/24 07:02:09 (permalink)
    But Jay's video made a mistake and left out a critical fact.
     
    He said that melting happened after only 2.5 hours. That is incorrect. Hot spots developed at 2.5 hours. Melting didn't occur until 10 hours.
     
    Then he didn't mention that the test was an extreme use test. 55 amps (660 watts) continuous for the duration. I know nothing about mining but I never heard of any gaming scenario that would do something like that. Plus it only happened when the cables were bent severely.
     
    The 40 cycles thing is concerning. Shows inadequate design of the female plug.
    The Gamers Nexus video is where you get the facts accurately presented. Jay often makes mistakes like that.
     
    I guess I'm the only one who would have no reservations for using that adapter. Moot point I guess since I'm avoiding the 40 series.
     

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    Re: EVGA ATX 3.0 PSU? 2022/09/24 08:45:56 (permalink)
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    But Jay's video made a mistake and left out a critical fact.
     
    He said that melting happened after only 2.5 hours. That is incorrect. Hot spots developed at 2.5 hours. Melting didn't occur until 10 hours.
     
    Then he didn't mention that the test was an extreme use test. 55 amps (660 watts) continuous for the duration. I know nothing about mining but I never heard of any gaming scenario that would do something like that. Plus it only happened when the cables were bent severely.
     
    The 40 cycles thing is concerning. Shows inadequate design of the female plug.
    The Gamers Nexus video is where you get the facts accurately presented. Jay often makes mistakes like that.
     
    I guess I'm the only one who would have no reservations for using that adapter. Moot point I guess since I'm avoiding the 40 series.
     


    Totally agree. Jay's video is a bit of an alarmist until you research it more. One thing that stood out that he mentioned was the rails being overwhelmed due to the connector. I'm like huh? Derp! *edit* More I think about it, Jay may have been referring to a psu with multi rails opposed to a single rail design
     
     
     
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