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2017/10/12 10:53:26 (permalink)
Team Which Processor to you think is better the E5-2667V3 or E5-2667V4 for BOINC Crunching.
https://ark.intel.com/compare/92979,83361 (This I do know (DDR4-2400 Memory DDR4-2133))
Motherboard S-2011 R3
The only difference I can really see is this: (TSX-NI)
Transactional Synchronization Extensions (TSX-NI) is an extension to the x86 instruction set architecture (ISA) that adds hardware transactional memory support, speeding up execution of multi-threaded software through lock elision.
Intel® Transactional Synchronization Extensions (Intel® TSX)
I found a few compare sites and they show that the V3 is a Better CPU.
Intel Xeon E5-2667 v3 vs E5-2667 v4 - CPU-World No real Help
Intel Xeon E5-2667 v3 vs E5-2667V4 - CPUBoss V3
Intel Xeon E5-2667 v4 vs. Intel Xeon E5-2667 v3 - compare CPU This show better HT Usage and all around that the V4 is a better CPU.
 
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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 11:22:52 (permalink)
    V4 seems to be the better of the 2. HT management seems to be better than the V3.
     
    Window shopping, or do I need to go shopping also??  

     

     

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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 11:25:39 (permalink)
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    Team Which Processor to you think is better the E5-2667V3 or E5-2667V4 for BOINC Crunching.
    https://ark.intel.com/compare/92979,83361 (This I do know (DDR4-2400 Memory DDR4-2133))
    Motherboard S-2011 R3
    The only difference I can really see is this: (TSX-NI)
    Transactional Synchronization Extensions (TSX-NI) is an extension to the x86 instruction set architecture (ISA) that adds hardware transactional memory support, speeding up execution of multi-threaded software through lock elision.
    Intel® Transactional Synchronization Extensions (Intel® TSX)
    I found a few compare sites and they show that the V3 is a Better CPU.
    Intel Xeon E5-2667 v3 vs E5-2667 v4 - CPU-World V3
    Intel Xeon E5-2667 v3 vs E5-2667V4 - CPUBoss
    Intel Xeon E5-2667 v4 vs. Intel Xeon E5-2667 v3 - compare CPU This show better HT Usage and all around that the V4 is a better CPU.
     
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    TSX-NI looks to be something that the programmers would have to implement, Not sure it is something that BOINC would use if they are
    building for everyday computers.
     
    They V4 seems to have almost a 13% increase in memory bandwidth according to the spec sheet as well as as a 25% increase in onboard chache.
     
    I dont like the CPU boss site personally it feels like they just found a bunch of generic data and made a "Tale of the Tape"
     
    Here is a Chart from PassMark - It shows the V4 slightly ahead.
    I think I would go for the one I could get at the best price if there is a significant difference, or the V4 if not.
     

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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 11:31:54 (permalink)
    I am now thinking V4 as well mostly because of better HT usage and maybe TSX-NI for the Future.
    Waiting for my Quote from http://www.wiredzone.com/ so I am really not Window Shopping.
    Now that my 4P is down I wanted something that would run well for the next 3 to 5 years and AMD CPU's really suck.
    Thank you all for your input.
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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 11:36:23 (permalink)
    Anyone see any issues with this MB Motherboard S-2011 R3?

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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 11:53:04 (permalink)
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    I am now thinking V4 as well mostly because of better HT usage and maybe TSX-NI for the Future.
    Waiting for my Quote from http://www.wiredzone.com/ so I am really not Window Shopping.
    Now that my 4P is down I wanted something that would run well for the next 3 to 5 years and AMD CPU's really suck.
    Thank you all for your input.


    Man,not window shopping........ do not say stuff like that, now I need to look at some CPU candy....
    You have been kicking butt and taking names..Keep it up.. congrats..

     

     

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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 12:01:26 (permalink)
    Thanks
    Any thoughts on the CPU Cooler http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-liquid-cooler/masterliquid-maker-92/ for use on a 2P?


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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 12:04:50 (permalink)
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    "and AMD CPU's really suck."
    Thank you all for your input.


    Thought you were running an 1800X in one of your machines.
     
    I think both Intel and AMD suck sometime, so I look for the best value for my money and application at the time.
     
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    I cant speak for the server mobo as I have never messed with a server (yet).
     
    But the cooler, I dont really care for its looks and think they are trying to do a lot with it. A couple quick videos I checked out show some
    Noctua air coolers working better in a smaller form factor.
     
    I have AIO units in 2 of my PC cases and an air cooler in the 3rd.  I have had an AIO die in one and it sucks to have to spend the full amount to
    replace it.  The air cooler if the fan dies thats quick and easy to fix as I have extra fans laying around that can keep me up and running.
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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 12:44:28 (permalink)
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    Thanks
    Any thoughts on the CPU Cooler http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-liquid-cooler/masterliquid-maker-92/ for use on a 2P?



    Not seen that before, cool, pun intended..

     

     

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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 13:04:26 (permalink)
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    "and AMD CPU's really suck."
    Thank you all for your input.


    Thought you were running an 1800X in one of your machines.
     

    That is not an AMD Server CPU like the Opteron.
     
    This is New http://store.supermicro.com/
     
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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 13:08:06 (permalink)
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    Thanks
    Any thoughts on the CPU Cooler http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-liquid-cooler/masterliquid-maker-92/ for use on a 2P?



    Not seen that before, cool, pun intended..


    This what is used for the most part Link
    SNK-P2050AP4

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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 14:22:24 (permalink)
    $8,040.89 PowerEdge T630 Done Deal
    PowerEdge T630 Server, my 2nd
    Chassis with up to 8, 3.5" Hard Drives, Software RAID, Tower Configuration
    2 Each Processor  Intel® Xeon® E5-2667 v4 3.2GHz,25M Cache,9.60GT/s QPI,Turbo,HT,8C/16T (135W) Max Mem
    Cooling Fresh Air Cooling
    (2) 32GB RDIMM, 2400MT/s, Dual Rank, x4 Data Width
    RAID Configuration RAID 1 for S130 (2 SATA HDDs or SATA SSDs)
    RAID Controller S130, Software RAID (for Microsoft OS Only)
    Hard Drives(2) 400GB Solid State Drive SATA Mix Use MLC 6Gbps 2.5in Hot-plug Drive,3.5in HYB CARR, S3610
    Network Cards On-Board Intel i350-AM2 Dual Port 1Gb LOM
    Embedded Systems Management iDRAC8 Express, integrated Dell Remote Access Controller,
    Internal SD Module Internal SD Module with 1x 8GB SD Card
    Internal Optical Drive DVD ROM, SATA, Internal
    Power Management BIOS Settings Performance BIOS Setting
    Power Cords (2) NEMA 5-15P to C13 Wall Plug, 125 Volt, 15 AMP, 10 Feet (3m), Power Cord, North
    Power Supply Dual, Hot-plug, Redundant Power Supply (1+1), 1100W
    System Documentation Electronic System Documentation and OpenManage DVD Kit
    Operating 5 Year ProSupport and NBD On-site Service
     
    $8,368.00 was my Quote from http://www.wiredzone.com/ with 1 Year Support so I went with Dell.
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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 17:46:52 (permalink)
    bcavnaugh
     
    That is not an AMD Server CPU like the Opteron.
     
    This is New http://store.supermicro.com/
     

    Got ya.
     
    bcavnaugh
    $8,040.89 PowerEdge T630 Done Deal
    PowerEdge T630 Server, my 2nd
    Chassis with up to 8, 3.5" Hard Drives, Software RAID, Tower Configuration
    2 Each Processor  Intel® Xeon® E5-2667 v4 3.2GHz,25M Cache,9.60GT/s QPI,Turbo,HT,8C/16T (135W) Max Mem
    Cooling Fresh Air Cooling
    (2) 32GB RDIMM, 2400MT/s, Dual Rank, x4 Data Width
    RAID Configuration RAID 1 for S130 (2 SATA HDDs or SATA SSDs)
    RAID Controller S130, Software RAID (for Microsoft OS Only)
    Hard Drives(2) 400GB Solid State Drive SATA Mix Use MLC 6Gbps 2.5in Hot-plug Drive,3.5in HYB CARR, S3610
    Network Cards On-Board Intel i350-AM2 Dual Port 1Gb LOM
    Embedded Systems Management iDRAC8 Express, integrated Dell Remote Access Controller,
    Internal SD Module Internal SD Module with 1x 8GB SD Card
    Internal Optical Drive DVD ROM, SATA, Internal
    Power Management BIOS Settings Performance BIOS Setting
    Power Cords (2) NEMA 5-15P to C13 Wall Plug, 125 Volt, 15 AMP, 10 Feet (3m), Power Cord, North
    Power Supply Dual, Hot-plug, Redundant Power Supply (1+1), 1100W
    System Documentation Electronic System Documentation and OpenManage DVD Kit
    Operating 5 Year ProSupport and NBD On-site Service
     
    $8,368.00 was my Quote from http://www.wiredzone.com/ with 1 Year Support so I went with Dell.

     
    Looks like a nice setup.

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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 17:54:07 (permalink)
    Thanks, my other T630 are running a pair of PROCESSOR, E52680V4, 2.4, 35M, BDW, M0.
    I am hopping that the Intel® Xeon® E5-2667 v4 3.2GHz will give me a little edge over some of our other Power House Teams.

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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 18:09:10 (permalink)
    Notes from PG
    LLR currently uses a slightly older version of gwnum that doesn't have Ryzen detection support in it yet. The newer versions do detect Ryzen and activate existing FMA instruction path. In my testing elsewhere, it doesn't actually give that much more, only a slight difference. When AMD made Ryzen they chose not to put in as much FPU resource as on Intel, so per core/clock, they do about half the work. As such, an 8 core Ryzen performs similarly to a quad core Intel.
     
    I think I know this guy
    So it's not only my problem? Hi  I have just assembled a 1800x ryzen system and even if the Boinc benchmark said it's a litlte faster than my i5 3570k, real results are awful. On project 321 the average time on the 3570k is 55-56.000 and the average on the Ryzen is over 90.000 Secs Run time and SOB project have the same problem with 150.000 vs 219.000 run time secs The System is OK, temperatures are low thanks to the Noctua NH-D15. My motherboard is an Asrock x370 Taichi and don't have any problem, Ram are Ok, not the fastest around, just 2400 MHz but they worked fine on the 6600k I sold to buy the Ryzen. This results are with using 50% CPU of both system, there's no OC. Now I will try to switch from Windows 10 to Linux just to see if there is an improvement or soon I'll sell this stupid CPU and go back to Intel. I had buy this system only for use it with Boinc and F@H and I'm not happy in both the projects, with my 980ti to have the same point that I had on the Intel system I have to left over 50 of the CPU free or PPD fall down fast.
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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 18:34:16 (permalink)
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    Notes from PG
    LLR currently uses a slightly older version of gwnum that doesn't have Ryzen detection support in it yet. The newer versions do detect Ryzen and activate existing FMA instruction path. In my testing elsewhere, it doesn't actually give that much more, only a slight difference. When AMD made Ryzen they chose not to put in as much FPU resource as on Intel, so per core/clock, they do about half the work. As such, an 8 core Ryzen performs similarly to a quad core Intel.
     
    I think I know this guy
    So it's not only my problem? Hi  I have just assembled a 1800x ryzen system and even if the Boinc benchmark said it's a litlte faster than my i5 3570k, real results are awful. On project 321 the average time on the 3570k is 55-56.000 and the average on the Ryzen is over 90.000 Secs Run time and SOB project have the same problem with 150.000 vs 219.000 run time secs The System is OK, temperatures are low thanks to the Noctua NH-D15. My motherboard is an Asrock x370 Taichi and don't have any problem, Ram are Ok, not the fastest around, just 2400 MHz but they worked fine on the 6600k I sold to buy the Ryzen. This results are with using 50% CPU of both system, there's no OC. Now I will try to switch from Windows 10 to Linux just to see if there is an improvement or soon I'll sell this stupid CPU and go back to Intel. I had buy this system only for use it with Boinc and F@H and I'm not happy in both the projects, with my 980ti to have the same point that I had on the Intel system I have to left over 50 of the CPU free or PPD fall down fast.


    Doesn't sound like he is having a pleasant experience. 
     
    So far I am happy with how my 1700x and 1600 are crunching.  But guess I will have to watch for the projects that don't play well with them also. 
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    Re: E5-2667V3 or V4 for BOINC Crunching 2017/10/12 18:41:13 (permalink)
    So far the only BOINC Project that the 1800x runs circles around Intel is VGTU but even the 1700x could keep up.
    We never did find out why the 1800x was so much faster than the 1700x.
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