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So in my quest to bring my 3080 hybrid temps down I have noticed a few things about the card and maybe I have a misconception of how all this should work with GPU Boost. My 3080 Hybrid is running the 450w XOC Hybrid bios with a modest 500mhz OC on the RAM and 90 on the core. While running around Verdansk blasting Timmys and Billys my GPU temp ranges between 52-57c however my clock speed sits anywhere from 2055-2085 mhz, however I have seen that frequency regardless of GPU temp. I was under the impression the lower the temp the higher the GPU boost value would ultimately end up being silicon permitting. Full disclosure I have owned a few nvidia cards and I have yet to have one thats stable over 2100 mhz regardless of air or water cooling so these people that are 150mhz+ on their core and claiming to run 2150+ mhz on the core, I have no idea how you got there. I know CoD: Warzone is a demanding title, as it can thrash my 9900k @ 5ghz and with my 3080 hybrid I can game at 135-140 FPS (FPS is capped in game as I am on a gsync panel) with everything on ultra with Quality DLSS enabled so its not that my GPU isn't loaded I just figured with my lower temps my GPU clocks would be higher...am I crazy in thinking that? I know its not apples to apples but my 2080ti ftw3 ultra hit the exact same clocks with air cooling.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 12:23:30
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Sweet blog bro. Anyway, sounds totally normal to me, just like mine. The clock is always going to float a bit and temp isn't the only factor.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 12:24:50
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@andross182, Do you have RT enabled? Post your build list too. -Mobo: -Cpu: -Ram, speed, cas and capacity. 4 sticks or two: -Case: -Psu: -Fans: -Where in the case are your cpu and hybrid coolers mounted? -What speed is your gpu fan running at? -1080/1440/4k?
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 12:30:44
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andross182 So in my quest to bring my 3080 hybrid temps down I have noticed a few things about the card and maybe I have a misconception of how all this should work with GPU Boost. My 3080 Hybrid is running the 450w XOC Hybrid bios with a modest 500mhz OC on the RAM and 90 on the core. While running around Verdansk blasting Timmys and Billys my GPU temp ranges between 52-57c however my clock speed sits anywhere from 2055-2085 mhz, however I have seen that frequency regardless of GPU temp. I was under the impression the lower the temp the higher the GPU boost value would ultimately end up being silicon permitting. Full disclosure I have owned a few nvidia cards and I have yet to have one thats stable over 2100 mhz regardless of air or water cooling so these people that are 150mhz+ on their core and claiming to run 2150+ mhz on the core, I have no idea how you got there. I know CoD: Warzone is a demanding title, as it can thrash my 9900k @ 5ghz and with my 3080 hybrid I can game at 135-140 FPS (FPS is capped in game as I am on a gsync panel) with everything on ultra with Quality DLSS enabled so its not that my GPU isn't loaded I just figured with my lower temps my GPU clocks would be higher...am I crazy in thinking that? I know its not apples to apples but my 2080ti ftw3 ultra hit the exact same clocks with air cooling.
You should benchmark the GPU to see what your top clocks are and what screen (resolution and hertz) are you using?
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 12:47:55
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hashmeir70 @andross182, @andross182, Do you have RT enabled?
Post your build list too. -Mobo: -Cpu: -Ram, speed, cas and capacity. 4 sticks or two: -Case: -Psu: -Fans:
-Where in the case are your cpu and hybrid coolers mounted? -What speed is your gpu fan running at? -1080/1440/4k?
Do you have RT enabled? Negative Post your build list too. -Mobo: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master -Cpu: i9 9900k @ 5ghz -Ram, speed, cas and capacity. 4 sticks or two: 4x8GB Corsair Vengeance RGB using XMP for 3200mhz -Case: Corsair 680x -Psu: Corsair HX1000 -Fans: 3x LL120 on H150i, 3x ML120 for case fans (2 bottom intake, 1 exhaust rear) 2x EVGA Hybrid fans as "pull" 2x ML120 fans as "push" -Where in the case are your cpu and hybrid coolers mounted? CPU front mount H150i, GPU 240mm Top Mount in Push/Pull -What speed is your gpu fan running at? 2000-2500 RPM push/pull for gaming -1080/1440/4k? 1440p @ 144hz gsync enabled GTXJackBauer You should benchmark the GPU to see what your top clocks are and what screen (resolution and hertz) are you using?
1440p @ 144hz gsync enabled, clocks generally peak at 2085
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 12:58:50
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andross182 1440p @ 144hz gsync enabled, clocks generally peak at 2085
I've got a 3080 FTW3 Hybrid, usually also run at +90 core (stable), 2085mhz is where I normally lock in at. Not uncommon to drop to 2070 or 2055 or spike up to 2115. 50-55C, sometimes more.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 12:59:29
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Nvidia GPU boost works with a magical (not really) algorithm based on power draw, power limits, and temperature (and likely other stuff that we're not privy to). Keeping the card cooler will help keep a steadier frequency, but there's more to it than just temps. The silicon lottery also plays a big role, and better chips will be able to boost higher. Here's a pretty good explanation: https://appuals.com/gpu-b...g-algorithm-explained/
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
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Have you tried turning off the gsync to see what your clocks are without it on? I would try and run your games with gsync off and in your game settings change the fps to unlimited to push the gpu and see how it goes. You might be limited because of the settings thus the gpu doesn't have a reason to push more clock speeds. The visual performance of the game might not be as clean as you could experience some tearing depending on the FPS the monitor can provide and then the fps the gpu/system is trying to push out. Have you researched your bios for you mobo and gpu to see if they could also need an update? GPUs don't always ship with the newest bios which can limit their performance in certain games.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
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@andross182 If I understood you correctly the front, top and bottom are all pulling air in to the case with one exhaust fan? If so I'd mount the gpu aio to the top of the case with evga fans only pushing as exhaust. ditch that glass panel on top If yours has it. Crank em and it again. I'm sure you will seen an improvement. Since the two sets fans on the gpu have different specs that can actually hurt you alot more than help you. Edit: if your GPU is vertical. Don't.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 13:32:45
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hashmeir70 @andross182 If I understood you correctly the front, top and bottom are all pulling air in to the case with one exhaust fan?
If so I'd mount the gpu aio to the top of the case with evga fans only pushing as exhaust. ditch that glass panel on top If yours has it. Crank em and it again. I'm sure you will seen an improvement.
Since the two sets fans on the gpu have different specs that can actually hurt you alot more than help you.
Edit: if your GPU is vertical. Don't.
You didn't understand correctly, the 3 in the front are pushing through the H150i, there are 2 at the bottom for intake, 1 rear for intake, and then the top has the GPU AIO with a push/pull setup. The GPU wont fit in the case if its not vertically mounted.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 13:35:54
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Gotspeed_2000 Have you tried turning off the gsync to see what your clocks are without it on? I would try and run your games with gsync off and in your game settings change the fps to unlimited to push the gpu and see how it goes. You might be limited because of the settings thus the gpu doesn't have a reason to push more clock speeds. The visual performance of the game might not be as clean as you could experience some tearing depending on the FPS the monitor can provide and then the fps the gpu/system is trying to push out. Have you researched your bios for you mobo and gpu to see if they could also need an update? GPUs don't always ship with the newest bios which can limit their performance in certain games.
I am at the latest GPU bios with rebar enabled, latest board bios as well. I can try gysnc off and see how that goes.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 13:45:06
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hashmeir70 @andross182 If I understood you correctly the front, top and bottom are all pulling air in to the case with one exhaust fan?
If so I'd mount the gpu aio to the top of the case with evga fans only pushing as exhaust. ditch that glass panel on top If yours has it. Crank em and it again. I'm sure you will seen an improvement.
Since the two sets fans on the gpu have different specs that can actually hurt you alot more than help you.
Edit: if your GPU is vertical. Don't.
You didn't understand correctly, the 3 in the front are pushing through the H150i, there are 2 at the bottom for intake, 1 rear for intake, and then the top has the GPU AIO with a push/pull setup. The GPU wont fit in the case if its not vertically mounted.
Using the term intake and exhaust helps to properly identify. Telling me the gpu is push/pull doesn't do much but tell me the rad is in a fan sammich. Is the air coming or going from the interior of the case? You know? I still recommend you drop the second sent of rad fans on the gpu. Keep whatever set will achieve the best static pressure. Pull off your side panel how does it clock then? 57 degrees will definitely drop some bins, kicking down the clocks. Should you see a large drop in temps. You may be able to use the cooler master vertical bracket that will give you better spacing from the glass.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 13:51:56
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Gotspeed_2000 Have you tried turning off the gsync to see what your clocks are without it on? I would try and run your games with gsync off and in your game settings change the fps to unlimited to push the gpu and see how it goes. You might be limited because of the settings thus the gpu doesn't have a reason to push more clock speeds. The visual performance of the game might not be as clean as you could experience some tearing depending on the FPS the monitor can provide and then the fps the gpu/system is trying to push out. Have you researched your bios for you mobo and gpu to see if they could also need an update? GPUs don't always ship with the newest bios which can limit their performance in certain games.
I am at the latest GPU bios with rebar enabled, latest board bios as well. I can try gysnc off and see how that goes.
Make sure you also change your in game graphic settings to fps unlimited as well. Let us know what happens.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 14:09:25
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hashmeir70 @andross182 If I understood you correctly the front, top and bottom are all pulling air in to the case with one exhaust fan?
If so I'd mount the gpu aio to the top of the case with evga fans only pushing as exhaust. ditch that glass panel on top If yours has it. Crank em and it again. I'm sure you will seen an improvement.
Since the two sets fans on the gpu have different specs that can actually hurt you alot more than help you.
Edit: if your GPU is vertical. Don't.
You didn't understand correctly, the 3 in the front are pushing through the H150i, there are 2 at the bottom for intake, 1 rear for intake, and then the top has the GPU AIO with a push/pull setup. The GPU wont fit in the case if its not vertically mounted.
Using the term intake and exhaust helps to properly identify. Telling me the gpu is push/pull doesn't do much but tell me the rad is in a fan sammich. Is the air coming or going from the interior of the case? You know?
I still recommend you drop the second sent of rad fans on the gpu. Keep whatever set will achieve the best static pressure.
Pull off your side panel how does it clock then? 57 degrees will definitely drop some bins, kicking down the clocks.
Should you see a large drop in temps. You may be able to use the cooler master vertical bracket that will give you better spacing from the glass.
Check my post history and you can read the saga of my push/pull adventures, I will not be removing the fans from the setup as it netted me a 8-12c decrease in temps :)
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 14:22:16
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hashmeir70 @andross182 If I understood you correctly the front, top and bottom are all pulling air in to the case with one exhaust fan?
If so I'd mount the gpu aio to the top of the case with evga fans only pushing as exhaust. ditch that glass panel on top If yours has it. Crank em and it again. I'm sure you will seen an improvement.
Since the two sets fans on the gpu have different specs that can actually hurt you alot more than help you.
Edit: if your GPU is vertical. Don't.
You didn't understand correctly, the 3 in the front are pushing through the H150i, there are 2 at the bottom for intake, 1 rear for intake, and then the top has the GPU AIO with a push/pull setup. The GPU wont fit in the case if its not vertically mounted.
Using the term intake and exhaust helps to properly identify. Telling me the gpu is push/pull doesn't do much but tell me the rad is in a fan sammich. Is the air coming or going from the interior of the case? You know?
I still recommend you drop the second sent of rad fans on the gpu. Keep whatever set will achieve the best static pressure.
Pull off your side panel how does it clock then? 57 degrees will definitely drop some bins, kicking down the clocks.
Should you see a large drop in temps. You may be able to use the cooler master vertical bracket that will give you better spacing from the glass.
Check my post history and you can read the saga of my push/pull adventures, I will not be removing the fans from the setup as it netted me a 8-12c decrease in temps :)
I'll check it for sure Are these numbers with all fans running full chat? I'd love to get my hands on your build to play around. I have a loaner air-cooled msi trio x in my pc that is walking all over that hybrid. It shouldn't take push pull to achieve those numbers. Pull the side panel run some numbers. Dramatic difference means that 680x chassis needs to be sent to the bin. I'm coming up on the hybrid queue I am more curious to install it now. My trio x holds 2115 all day max of 53c fans at 66% mem at +700
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 15:19:10
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hashmeir70 Since the two sets fans on the gpu have different specs that can actually hurt you alot more than help you.
Totally fine to use mismatched fans in push pull, there will always be an improvement.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 15:44:14
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You could gain some by getting rid of the stock EVGA fans on the cooler and replacing them with higher performing fans. But since you have the pull fans set up on the other side the effects of changing them out would be minimal if any. You don't seem to have a thermal issue based on the thermal numbers you provided, but running other programs to check your heat readings at other components within the GPU may also help give you an idea if there are any heat induced issues that you are not seeing. GPUZ can provide you additional info on your GPU or the X1 program when you side scroll to where it shows the heat at various points across your GPU would be helpful to make sure nothing is out of the norm. This is more to just have peace of mind and to help pinpoint what is holding you back if anything and current the condition of your GPU. I would still try running the game with the frame limiter unlimited and the Gsync off to see how that affects the clock speeds. To me, you have more pc than you need to run 1440 resolution at 144 refresh and with the limiter on that is why your clock speeds are down. The 3080 is a very strong card and with the components you shared you have a very capable pc of playing many of the current games available at 1440 resolution at your monitor's limit of 144mhz.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 16:06:55
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GTXJackBauer You should benchmark the GPU to see what your top clocks are and what screen (resolution and hertz) are you using?
1440p @ 144hz gsync enabled, clocks generally peak at 2085
Thanks for that info. If you're looking to see what your GPU is capable of, try testing it with GPU benchmarks like 3DMark, etc.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 16:12:19
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Gotspeed_2000 You could gain some by getting rid of the stock EVGA fans on the cooler. But since you have the pull fans set up on the other side the effects of changing them out would be minimal if any.
No, he wouldn't. The EVGA stock fans on the FTW3 hybrid are very strong and he improved by like -10C by recently adding them in. The stock fans and ML120 Pros are about as good of a match you can get for push pull. Running single sided would be a major step back. Running a quad of ML120 would make no (casually) measurable difference.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
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I have got a couple PR runs at 2145-2160, but anything else crashes over 2130 on FTW3 Hybrid XOC bios
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 16:35:33
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Gotspeed_2000 You could gain some by getting rid of the stock EVGA fans on the cooler. But since you have the pull fans set up on the other side the effects of changing them out would be minimal if any.
No, he wouldn't. The EVGA stock fans on the FTW3 hybrid are very strong and he improved by like -10C by recently adding them in. The stock fans and ML120 Pros are about as good of a match you can get for push pull. Running single sided would be a major step back. Running a quad of ML120 would make no (casually) measurable difference.
I stand corrected. I've run push pull with mia match fans but was not able to get an decrease in temps. But that was my situation. I don't know the hybrids fan specs or how they pair with the ml 120s. I have noticed some weird harmonics from the fans when I did it too. they were different fan manufacturers. I am not sure if it's the blades or how they move air but it was audibly agitating. I'm not sure what the hybrid cooler is capable of dissipating but I know OPs thermals are worse than most air cooled thermals especially with than many fans.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 16:49:44
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Gotspeed_2000 You could gain some by getting rid of the stock EVGA fans on the cooler. But since you have the pull fans set up on the other side the effects of changing them out would be minimal if any.
No, he wouldn't. The EVGA stock fans on the FTW3 hybrid are very strong and he improved by like -10C by recently adding them in. The stock fans and ML120 Pros are about as good of a match you can get for push pull. Running single sided would be a major step back. Running a quad of ML120 would make no (casually) measurable difference.
Sorry, I made a mistake in my post. I should have put out that changing them out rather then getting rid of them. The stock fans are not the greatest and changing them out to higher performing fans could have some performance gains, but taking out that row of fans entirely is not what I wanted to share, but wasn't clear on. I agree, changing out the fans at this point would be mostly pointless due to very small gains if any. I corrected my original post to reflect this info.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 16:56:08
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undervolt is the only way I have found to get temps down, but my Mem run at 1000+ in everything without a hitch
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
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Oh and I had an AIR card FTW3 before this one and it would run about the same exact clock speeds but the GPU would get in the low 80s, so I don't think it makes much difference in the ranges we run.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 17:12:30
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Gotspeed_2000 You could gain some by getting rid of the stock EVGA fans on the cooler. But since you have the pull fans set up on the other side the effects of changing them out would be minimal if any.
No, he wouldn't. The EVGA stock fans on the FTW3 hybrid are very strong and he improved by like -10C by recently adding them in. The stock fans and ML120 Pros are about as good of a match you can get for push pull. Running single sided would be a major step back. Running a quad of ML120 would make no (casually) measurable difference.
Sorry, I made a mistake in my post. I should have put out that changing them out rather then getting rid of them. The stock fans are not the greatest and changing them out to higher performing fans could have some performance gains, but taking out that row of fans entirely is not what I wanted to share, but wasn't clear on. I agree, changing out the fans at this point would be mostly pointless due to very small gains if any. I corrected my original post to reflect this info.
Hey no worries. I've got the 3080 FTW3 Hybrid and have worked with the stock fans. They are .25A and run at 2900rpm at 100% PWM, at least when paired with an A12 on the other side. They seem to run at about 2500rpm with the PWM from the card with the A12's, the card does not hit 100% PWM in my testing. They are fine fans, just as decent as any 2000rpm+ fan. I recently switched to a quad of San Ace 120x38mm server fans that run at 3400rpm maxed and got about a 4C improvement, so his combo of the ML120+Stock isn't going to be improved upon unless he gets into something fairly radical like a 3K Noctua Industrial or some other high RPM fan like mine. Anything like that also requires a fan hub to run safely. He could get into a quad of A12's or 2150rpm Gentle Typhoons and have similar performance at lower volume or better performance at the same volume though.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 17:21:39
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Gotspeed_2000 You could gain some by getting rid of the stock EVGA fans on the cooler. But since you have the pull fans set up on the other side the effects of changing them out would be minimal if any.
No, he wouldn't. The EVGA stock fans on the FTW3 hybrid are very strong and he improved by like -10C by recently adding them in. The stock fans and ML120 Pros are about as good of a match you can get for push pull. Running single sided would be a major step back. Running a quad of ML120 would make no (casually) measurable difference.
EVGA's stock fans are noisy and awful. Put a couple of Scythe GT -13 at 1000 RPM for push/pull silence and 8C drop compared to the stock fan. ML Pro's are noisy in comparison. Of course stacking more than single push pull or 'quad' fan is silly. "I recently switched to a quad of San Ace 120x38mm server fans that run at 3400rpm maxed and got about a 4C improvement"... Huh... sure... I mean where did you get the space to do that and the ear plugs? Edit... then reads my post and edits his own post to add Scythe fans to 'his' recommendation. Ha ha...
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 17:32:30
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Gotspeed_2000 You could gain some by getting rid of the stock EVGA fans on the cooler. But since you have the pull fans set up on the other side the effects of changing them out would be minimal if any.
No, he wouldn't. The EVGA stock fans on the FTW3 hybrid are very strong and he improved by like -10C by recently adding them in. The stock fans and ML120 Pros are about as good of a match you can get for push pull. Running single sided would be a major step back. Running a quad of ML120 would make no (casually) measurable difference.
EVGA's stock fans are noisy and awful. Put a couple of Scythe GT -13 at 1000 RPM for push/pull silence and 8C drop compared to the stock fan. ML Pro's are noisy in comparison. Of course stacking more than single push pull or 'quad' fan is silly. "I recently switched to a quad of San Ace 120x38mm server fans that run at 3400rpm maxed and got about a 4C improvement"... Huh... sure... I mean where did you get the space to do that and the ear plugs?
The FTW3 fans (rgb style) are unique to that kit, different than any of their other Hybrid kits I'm aware of which come with generic fans or the goofy half open fans on most of their AIO's. They are pretty good, if certainly loud at 2900rpm. Not going to win any loudness vs. pressure/flow contests, they have poor sealing. I've got 1/4" home made spacers on the San Ace, fit no problem top mount in a Lian Li Lancool Mesh. The stack is shy of 5" deep I suppose. Though I did have to clock my CPU AIO pump block so both tubes are on the bottom, which seems OK temp wise. Had to run them off a MB header via a fan hub because they were idling at 1680rpm at 30% min of the card PWM signal, 0% is 1000rpm which is fine. They are kinda loud at 3400rpm but that's only for benching and showing off in Furmark, run them lower for gaming. As a side note, the Scythe GT-13 is of course a 1300rpm Gentle Typhoon, certainly a good fan but IMHO not fast enough for these high power gpu's. I've got one of the Nidec (their OEM) Gentle Typhoon 2150rpm (~$22 on Amazon) in my front bottom intake. Seems good, comparable to A12 but stronger and louder. Have P-P A12 on my 2080 Ti (other system), 1800 RPM was good gaming, 1000 rpm idle. They made very high rpm versions but they are out of production. The 2150 Rpm version can run as low as like 800rpm or so at 0% PWM. I need some of these: https://www.quietpc.com/gt-120-4250http://www.nidec-servo.co...ital/pdf/D1225C_hi.pdf
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 17:33:28
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andross182 So in my quest to bring my 3080 hybrid temps down I have noticed a few things about the card and maybe I have a misconception of how all this should work with GPU Boost. My 3080 Hybrid is running the 450w XOC Hybrid bios with a modest 500mhz OC on the RAM and 90 on the core. While running around Verdansk blasting Timmys and Billys my GPU temp ranges between 52-57c however my clock speed sits anywhere from 2055-2085 mhz, however I have seen that frequency regardless of GPU temp. I was under the impression the lower the temp the higher the GPU boost value would ultimately end up being silicon permitting. Full disclosure I have owned a few nvidia cards and I have yet to have one thats stable over 2100 mhz regardless of air or water cooling so these people that are 150mhz+ on their core and claiming to run 2150+ mhz on the core, I have no idea how you got there. I know CoD: Warzone is a demanding title, as it can thrash my 9900k @ 5ghz and with my 3080 hybrid I can game at 135-140 FPS (FPS is capped in game as I am on a gsync panel) with everything on ultra with Quality DLSS enabled so its not that my GPU isn't loaded I just figured with my lower temps my GPU clocks would be higher...am I crazy in thinking that? I know its not apples to apples but my 2080ti ftw3 ultra hit the exact same clocks with air cooling.
That's normal, the "bins" that the GPU can hit do depend on temperature, but you'd need to go lower to see any difference. I.E. my Kingpin used to hit 2175-2205MHz core at an offset with the AIO cooler & hitting load temps in the low 50s... that same offset now tries to make the card boost to 2235MHz at times, because of the cooler temps thanks to the HydroCopper block (Load temps on the GPU are in the low 40s), and results in crashing because boosting that high isn't stable at stock voltages all the time. It's more of as you go up in temp the boost bin will step down when an offset is being used, as you go down, it goes up... but it's not huge leaps. A given offset will boost 15-30MHz higher for every 10C or so from what I've seen on the 2 3090s I've had. This is something folks have to be aware of when going from Air to Hybrid cooling and from Hybrid or Air to full coverage block - you have to start from scratch on your overclocks when you upgrade your cooling, because previously "stable" offsets on the core will boost higher now that the GPU is running cooler, and said higher boost may not be stable. I think I ran my 3080 FTW3 Ultra at around 2040MHz @ 1000mV (undervolt OC) and it was happy as a clam while running 5-10C cooler than stock, which only boosted to 1995-2025, while slurping down 1068-1093mV. That also lowers your power draw as well, something worth looking in to. If you haven't tried it & you can fit it in your case, I highly recommend going Push/Pull fans on the Hybrid radiator, others have done testing that shows going Push/Pull can lower your GPU temps by anywhere from 5 to 12C depending on how loud you're willing to let the fans run when you're gaming. I don't know if you've ever tried it, but next time you have a game running & your GPU has been in the 50s a while, touch the shroud of the GPU AIO Radiator - it will very likely be quite warm to the touch. Switching to Push/Pull if you don't already have it will help with that a bit. Even with a 240mm radiator, it's still not really enough cooling for the amount of heat these GPUs put out. Even with the Kingpin's upgrading VRM copper heatsinks & 360mm AIO cooler, the radiator would still get warm to the touch when gaming - and that was with the core temp only getting in to the high 40s or low 50s at most, with an undervolt/OC in the 2160MHz @ 1068mV range. Hope that inforino helps. Enjoy the gaming!
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 19:11:54
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Same case here and a 3090 hybrid. I highly recommend you remove the top and front glass panels on the case. I replaced them with some plexiglass panels with hexagon cutouts I got from coldzero https://www.coldzero.eu/s...=search&s=680x+hexI also have my rad in a push pull exhaust and changing out the panels dropped my temps by another 5c. As far as why it won't clock any higher temperature is one thing but you should also look into how much power the card is pulling. For example my 3090 hybrid with the XOC bios is not able to pull over 420w no matter what I set it to. Think it has to do with the fact that it is pulling close to 80w from PCI-e. This could be the issue you have as well.
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Re: Do hybrid cards have different GPU Boost values than their air cooled variant?
2021/05/03 20:48:58
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Edit... then reads my post and edits his own post to add Scythe fans to 'his' recommendation. Ha ha...
Nah, just bothered to look up your cryptic GT-13 reference and wanted to point out 1000 rpm isn't enough. You can check my post history and see I've recommend Gentle Typhoons recently.
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