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2020/10/27 20:43:35 (permalink)
The card is sometimes dipping down even into the 1700s under load, with voltage bumped and a +120 core offset. Using the new EVGA precision, which is disorienting, so maybe I missed something (prefer afterburner). I'm shocked that a flagship $1800 card with 3x 8 pin plugs could be bad . . .these are numbers like the lowest end cards with 2x power plugs and bad caps are getting.
 
I think I may be having power issues. Not sure how to see how much it's using in watts, but the highest power limit I can set in precision is 107%. I assumed it would be higher than this. What number is this 107% of? The base 350w? Or something else?
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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/27 20:48:17 (permalink)
    First try running some benchmarks (time spy for example) using all stock settings and no OC. This will give you a baseline to work off. Also, open the latest GPU-Z (I think it's 2.35.0) and go to the Sensors tab and have it open on the side and observe various metrics including Board Power Draw and Power Consumption (%). Also, post your PC's specs for others to chime in--include your CPU, MB, RAM, and PSU at the very least. 
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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/27 21:22:13 (permalink)
    I've been messing with this more and I've realized some issues were with the precision software itself. It seems to murder performance, and the more things I was tracking in the hardware monitor, the more it killed it. It was single-handedly reducing frames by 5-8% in the metro exodus benchmark.
     
    Put afterburner back on my PC (did not change any settings in it) and got the exact same (5-8% higher) benches as with precision off. There is clearly something off with the 3090 version of the EVGA software. Also in afterburner I was able to see that I am drawing 450w or close to it in metro exodus with RTX on.  Around 400w in Assassins Creed Oddyssey.
     
    The good thing is that the card is boosting to more like a 1900avg in Metro Exodus with precision off. I also realized that in assassin's creed it was boosting to 2100. Maybe RTX features are killing the speed and I'm comparing apples to oranges in looking at other people's overclocks. I assume the RTX cores may be power throttling the card. If so that bodes well for potentially getting 2000+ speeds if that 500w bios ever gets working.
     
     
     
    Edit: for what it's worth, I've now learned that Metro is drawing 450w+ even with the voltage offset at 0.
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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/28 02:08:19 (permalink)
    Well I'm embarrassed.
     
    The Metro benchmark was just incredibly misleading in terms of GPU clock speeds to try to compare to others. I got the Timespy demo off of steam and pulled a 21642 GPU score, which looks to be probably around 500/30,000 scores. And among users running a 3090 with a 8700k, it was #9 of 1456.
     
    So not only is it not a bad card, it's slightly below golden sample. Probably room to even eke out a tiny bit more beyond this, or a decent boost if that 500w bios starts working.
     
    This thread aged really poorly. Still hate the precision software, but I can't complain about the card.
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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/28 03:08:35 (permalink)
    Well yeah, you have to use 3DMark... I suggest purchasing it, it's so good. I've spent hours in it, and the Port Royal benchmark is fantastic for RTX sample.
     

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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/28 13:09:03 (permalink)
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    Well yeah, you have to use 3DMark... I suggest purchasing it, it's so good. I've spent hours in it, and the Port Royal benchmark is fantastic for RTX sample.
     




    I own Port Royal, it was the bonus gift from my EVGA 780 purchase, if I remember right. Port Royal benchmarking with my 3090 FTW3 Ultra was crashing and never finished the tests. I've had a few black screens and full system reboots. Using the Precision X OC Scanner I'd get crashes at 2100Mhz or higher in the scan. Problems started well before that though. 
     
    Just saying, there might be issues left to tweak on this very very very niche card. 
     

     
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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/28 14:06:15 (permalink)
    @DarkTAO your 3090 should have excellent results in Port Royal. This benchmark is real-time ray tracing. If your 3090 at stock settings is crashing on Port Royal, there is a problem, maybe in the RayTracing cores on the GPU.
     

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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/28 14:51:24 (permalink)
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    @DarkTAO your 3090 should have excellent results in Port Royal. This benchmark is real-time ray tracing. If your 3090 at stock settings is crashing on Port Royal, there is a problem, maybe in the RayTracing cores on the GPU.
     




    My card just black screened on 2 monitors and that's without OC at stock clocks.. If I have to RMA that, it'll cost me my single use AdvancedRMA.. $45 more down the drain for a 2 day old card

     
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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/28 15:41:53 (permalink)
    Contact EVGA support first, and describe your problem. If you RMA the 3090, it'll probably take several weeks to get a new one. If not several months. But EVGA support is fantastic, they'll assist you.

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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/28 16:07:33 (permalink)
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    Contact EVGA support first, and describe your problem. If you RMA the 3090, it'll probably take several weeks to get a new one. If not several months. But EVGA support is fantastic, they'll assist you.




    If I get another black screen after my wiping drivers with DDU and uninstalling precision x, I plan to. I already prepaid for advancedrma.. just gonna be sour on that being used 2 days later. Anyway, waiting until the hurricane hits tonight to try and do any potential RMAs. 
     

     
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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/28 22:50:53 (permalink)
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    @DarkTAO your 3090 should have excellent results in Port Royal. This benchmark is real-time ray tracing. If your 3090 at stock settings is crashing on Port Royal, there is a problem, maybe in the RayTracing cores on the GPU.
     




    My card just black screened on 2 monitors and that's without OC at stock clocks.. If I have to RMA that, it'll cost me my single use AdvancedRMA.. $45 more down the drain for a 2 day old card


    If it is defective, given it's defective pretty much right out of the box, I would think EVGA would waive that advanced RMA fee. It would be pretty sucky to charge it given it's defecting right out of the box. And out of all PC tech companies out there, EVGA would be the last ones to do something like that.
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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/28 23:08:22 (permalink)
    It's also important to make sure that you have removed any other software for graphics cards. I have heard that afterburner can cause issues with the new cards. It's likely to be fixed if it's not fixed yet.

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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/29 08:22:00 (permalink)
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    It's also important to make sure that you have removed any other software for graphics cards. I have heard that afterburner can cause issues with the new cards. It's likely to be fixed if it's not fixed yet.


    Thanks, I've literally never had anything but precision X installed on this rig, windows install, etc. I've been EVGA since the 460. I haven't tried reinstalling precision x, as it appears it was causing issues. Since I uninstalled that and DDU'd my drivers, I haven't had a single black screen. Precision X's OSD wasn't working after one of the black screens, and the graphs all seemed to be erroring out, like it thought I had multiple GPUs going at once. I made sure to uninstall precision X for the 1080 before I installed my 3090's version as well. 
     
    Since I haven't reinstalled prec x, I can't check anything.. Sort of a rock/hard place situation. Is my GPU bad? It was acting really memory sensitive like it had issues with VRAM. Was it just precision x 2000/3000 series version? Was it power? Was it a mix? I dunno. Too busy to install precision x again and risk the black screens starting all over. Generally sucks to have this going on with a brand new gpu though. I've lost all my precision x functionality because of it. 
     
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    @DarkTAO your 3090 should have excellent results in Port Royal. This benchmark is real-time ray tracing. If your 3090 at stock settings is crashing on Port Royal, there is a problem, maybe in the RayTracing cores on the GPU.
     




    My card just black screened on 2 monitors and that's without OC at stock clocks.. If I have to RMA that, it'll cost me my single use AdvancedRMA.. $45 more down the drain for a 2 day old card


    If it is defective, given it's defective pretty much right out of the box, I would think EVGA would waive that advanced RMA fee. It would be pretty sucky to charge it given it's defecting right out of the box. And out of all PC tech companies out there, EVGA would be the last ones to do something like that.


     Yeah, I was waiting until the hurricane came through before trying to contact support. If it's precision x, that's a problem. If it's my GPU, that's a major problem. 

     
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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/29 08:47:44 (permalink)
    What resolution are you playing at? High res this card needs higher power limit. If you have the power limit to +7 or higher with the beta bios and it's still only getting 1700 I'd look at temps and your psu. If both those are good then it's possible you lost the silicon lottery.
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    Re: Did I get a trash tier 3090 FTW3 ultra or did I miss something with the overclock? 2020/10/29 08:58:07 (permalink)
    OK, back On Topic of the OPs question
     
     
    to see what is limiting your GPU ... run a benchmark & GPU-Z
     
    look at the sensor tab of GPU-Z ... PerfCap Reason

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