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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
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cain rage or whatever your name is... You need to leave. This is not acceptable.
I fail to understand what isn't acceptable.
Unwinder's source code was essentially copied and those whom copied it failed to not only alter it but, failed to even get it to function via reverse engineering.
That's like you baking a cake. My stealing your cake and icing it, then giving it back to you for your birthday. Only it's gross and disgusting because I tried to re-bake it.
It was YOUR cake. It was UNWINDER'S PROPERTY.
Umm... no Don't twist ragingcain's words to suit your campaign. Ragingcain said that 99.9999% of the new Precision X version ISN'T Unwinder's work. Even with Unwinder's direction, Ragingcain was unable to substantiate the majority of Unwinder's claims.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 09:41:12
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ty_ger07Umm... no
Don't twist ragingcain's words to suit your campaign.
Ragingcain said that 99.9999% of the new Precision X version ISN'T Unwinder's work. Even with Unwinder's direction, Ragingcain was unable to substantiate the majority of Unwinder's claims.
First of all, Ragincain is not an expert, he has stated so multiple times. He's a good guy and a coder but, an expert, not. According to Unwinder it was stolen... According to EVGA it was: Well uh, we'd never do that but, we don't know so we're looking into it. That leaves me with Unwinder, the actually guy...Who says it was. Also as Ragin has found: I feel it warrants some explanation from EVGA, even if it is 99.9999% developed in house, it wasn't all EVGAs IP to use. It still wasn't EVGA's IP so, I fail to see how I'm twisting anything...Stolen is stolen is stolen. Thanks for your candor, however.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 09:50:50
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cain rage or whatever your name is... You need to leave. This is not acceptable.
No, he does not need to leave. He is welcome here and you are not a moderator. If he does something against the TOS a moderator will take care of it. Thank you Ragingcain for your insight. It is much appreciated.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
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Im gonna wait a little while longer and see how this shakes out and what else comes to light. I can say now that im def not liking what ive seen so far. Whether there is a issue legally or morally, whats bothering me most at this point is that this whole question of what to do with Precision had to come across many desks at evga, for awhile im sure, and in the end after they shuffled through all the choices they came up with, they decided that this was the best thing to do and the appropriate way to go about it. Like I said I will def wait till ALL the info comes to light to make a judgement, because after all there had to be some reason why they took this road..... I hope. For the record, ive always been a Afterburner user, so what happens to Precision isn't really a issue for me. My issue is the thinking behind all this.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 10:07:45
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I am no coder but from just sitting back and watching this all, i cant help but think, especially if what ragin says is correct, that a lot of people will look mighty stupid. Of course, maybe not. I would prefer not to jump into the rage camp though, like many on guru have done. Ill just wait and see myself.
Having only half the opinion (the person who made riva tuner) is not the whole story, so why get all bent out of shape over it?
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 10:24:05
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I am no coder but from just sitting back and watching this all, i cant help but think, especially if what ragin says is correct, that a lot of people will look mighty stupid. Of course, maybe not. I would prefer not to jump into the rage camp though, like many on guru have done. Ill just wait and see myself.
Having only half the opinion (the person who made riva tuner) is not the whole story, so why get all bent out of shape over it?
Ultimately it's a question of ethics. Per Cain on OCN: http://www.overclock.net/.../300_100#post_22583571
Unwinder has established there are parts of PrecisionX he did not authorize to be there. Depending on his contract he might be completely valid, as nobody really knows the intricacies of the agreement between EVGA and Unwinder. However, I do believe Unwinder has a valid claim going off of what we know.
EVGA has some explaining, but I want to point out, Unwinder himself has said they did not have source code.
It is safe to absolutely say, even if it was just what we see above, EVGA have made a false claim of 100% in house code as some of it obviously exists in work Unwinder did.
So, again, this really depends on where you stand on the fence. After being in this industry for about a decade now...I stand on the side of this wasn't EVGA's IP to copy in the first place. Therefor it was stolen. This isn't the first time EVGA has "done us wrong" either. I direct you to the Z77 nightmare and the more recent catastrophe of the X79 Classifieds -- How many RMA's? How many broken motherboards? EVGA is far from a company with clean hands so, this isn't exactly a shocker.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 11:06:05
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ty_ger07Umm... no
Don't twist ragingcain's words to suit your campaign.
Ragingcain said that 99.9999% of the new Precision X version ISN'T Unwinder's work. Even with Unwinder's direction, Ragingcain was unable to substantiate the majority of Unwinder's claims.
First of all, Ragincain is not an expert, he has stated so multiple times. He's a good guy and a coder but, an expert, not.
According to Unwinder it was stolen...
According to EVGA it was: Well uh, we'd never do that but, we don't know so we're looking into it.
That leaves me with Unwinder, the actually guy...Who says it was.
Also as Ragin has found:
I feel it warrants some explanation from EVGA, even if it is 99.9999% developed in house, it wasn't all EVGAs IP to use.
It still wasn't EVGA's IP so, I fail to see how I'm twisting anything...Stolen is stolen is stolen.
Thanks for your candor, however.
Right, wrong, morality, ownership, claims, all that aside (because it is a lot of opinion and the facts are not known), the point is that you put words in Raging's mouth which he never actually said.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 11:18:15
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cain rage or whatever your name is... You need to leave. This is not acceptable.
No, he does not need to leave. He is welcome here and you are not a moderator. If he does something against the TOS a moderator will take care of it.
Thank you Ragingcain for your insight. It is much appreciated.
You must have missed the other poster's (his name was "cain rage evga dog") first-ever post filled with vulgar personal attack. Since then, the post is removed and the poster is probably banned... Anyway, I hope EVGA makes this right. Come out straight, openly state if any portion of Unwinder's own work was reused/reverse-engineered, and apologize if it's due. There is no other way to move forward without fully disclosing what's done. This is all very amateurish and does not bode well with a company like EVGA who depends on their public image that they've worked so hard on establishing for years. It's borderline incredible actually... I don't know what happened at the backstage... Was it a smarty-pants programmer they hired who thought he could get away with certain things? But then, Jacob clearly said that reusing the same UI was a conscious decision... It's mind-boggling to me, I mean did they think people would go, "oh, it looks just like the previous Precision, how nice!" without remembering that version was developed by another? Didn't they think that it would not suit well with said developer and it was at least possible that this would go public? I mean, again and again, I try to understand what they were thinking but I just don't get it... I totally understand their want, need and intent to develop this software in-house so they have full control over the features, release timing, etc, etc. But, then make it significantly different, not only to avoid scrutiny over IP rights, but also to give the new version its own identity!
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 11:28:28
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ty_ger07Right, wrong, morality, ownership, claims, all that aside (because it is a lot of opinion and the facts are not known), the point is that you put words in Raging's mouth which he never actually said.
I've never put words in his mouth. I expressed my personal opinion based on his findings. Also, in my opinion that you initially quoted, I was again, offering my opinion of the situation and not using anything Ragin has said, twisting or otherwise. I think we need some reading comprehension/grammar 101 over here. It's quite clear that you believe Ragin is "god, almighty" which is fine but, he's simply "proving' what Unwinder (The actual creator of the program) has already said so... Again, thanks for your candor.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 11:51:13
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cain rage or whatever your name is... You need to leave. This is not acceptable.
No, he does not need to leave. He is welcome here and you are not a moderator. If he does something against the TOS a moderator will take care of it.
Thank you Ragingcain for your insight. It is much appreciated.
You must have missed the other poster's (his name was "cain rage evga dog") first-ever post filled with vulgar personal attack. Since then, the post is removed and the poster is probably banned...
Oh, ha ha ha....I read about that guy on Linus Tech Tips of all places......this story is everywhere. By the time I looked at the link where he was attacking I think they were deleted and he had been hammered already.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 12:23:32
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I think unwinder should sue. If what has been said is true. Not for the money, but to show the big companies they can't get away with such things. It doesn't seem Evga is remorseful at all to what they have done, what's to keep them from doing it again in the future? How do you teach a big Company that has a lot of money a lesson? Hit their wallets.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 12:30:19
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I think unwinder should sue. If what has been said is true. Not for the money, but to show the big companies they can't get away with such things. It doesn't seem Evga is remorseful at all to what they have done, what's to keep them from doing it again in the future? How do you teach a big Company that has a lot of money a lesson? Hit their wallets.
He has said again and again that he will not. He lives in Russia. The pain in the behind for him it would be to sue an American Company makes it not worth it for him. He now wants to move on from this and wants all of us to stop beating the dead horse. He has said he has more important things going on in his life, and is focussing on making Afterburner better than ever and is going to bring the competition to PrecisionX like never before. Competition breeds innovation!!! We all win. So let us let it die as the creator whose work this is all based on would like us too. Let us focus on positive stuff.....like, cars, guns, games, women, and sports.....or whatever.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 13:21:11
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yes let us ignore this, for we know EVGA will rise above the petty lies and conquer :D
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 13:41:15
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So we are all agreeing to blame Games for Windows Live for everything and settling this, right? 
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 16:34:52
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yes let us ignore this, for we know EVGA will rise above the petty lies and conquer :D
yes a big us company with unlimited funds beats up/screws a 1 man programer and still uses his work . hail the money gods in the us. lol how old are you btw he's been building that program for 17 years maybe longer than your life experience haha I get it now life is just a vid. game for you right ? kill the good guys is fun lol.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 16:54:09
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So essntially, this is all clickbait by Guru3D, and we're all eating it up. Nothing to see here, move along.
I agree. My hate has got much str aonger now. Don't really like that Hillbert. Still, I wont stop using EVGA products. I dont 'really' use any softwares like Precision, even tough I have it. Precision X version 4.0.0 and OC scanner 2.2.3. I hardly use them. Don't care. Happy with my GPU. This idiotic issue wont repel me from EVGA. To Unwinder, good job!. You know you are not in America but you want to work with American entities. What happened to you is fair enough, if it happened. I like how you moan about not being in US and that you cant take any action. Enjoy the pain. Go code with your tears. HAH!.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 17:58:01
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So essntially, this is all clickbait by Guru3D, and we're all eating it up. Nothing to see here, move along.
I agree. My hate has got much straonger now. Don't really like that Hillbert.
Still, I wont stop using EVGA products. I dont 'really' use any softwares like Precision, even tough I have it. Precision X version 4.0.0 and OC scanner 2.2.3.
I hardly use them. Don't care.
Happy with my GPU. This idiotic issue wont repel me from EVGA.
To Unwinder, good job!. You know you are not in America but you want to work with American entities. What happened to you is fair enough, if it happened. I like how you moan about not being in US and that you cant take any action. Enjoy the pain.
Go code with your tears. HAH!.
What happened to you is fair enough, does your mom know your on the net? at 18 post you must be off the summer from school "I hardly use them. Don't care." also Don't post about it maybe your just trying to get your post count to 29 before you go back to school but I would really recommend that you google this subject and read ,[you can read ?] whats is going on before ,you bad mouth the 10mil. users of this mans software GPU: EVGA GTX 660 FTW Signature 2.no need to on a low level card imo
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 18:19:59
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LOL at this thread. Go check out this forum ..if PrecisionX 15 was an exact copy of Unwinder's code, why are there a bunch of issues that weren't there before? LOL. I recall the bs a few years ago when some users were saying RTSS was screwing their games up / destroying GPU's etc etc and Unwinder had a big hissyfit about it on these forums and walked away from EVGA even though it was users and not EVGA making the accusations. Shame really, because he did really good work. The point is, it seems he walked away from EVGA, not the other way around. Would love to see him come back. It is my impression that his work with EVGA made him 'known', something worth keeping in mind.. note also that MSI AfterBurner came after EVGA Precision, because Precision was so popular. While I'm on the subject, I would love to see Shamino come back to EVGA, but sadly I don't think it's going to happen.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 18:54:29
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LOL at this thread. Go check out this forum ..if PrecisionX 15 was an exact copy of Unwinder's code, why are there a bunch of issues that weren't there before? LOL. I recall the bs a few years ago when some users were saying RTSS was screwing their games up / destroying GPU's etc etc and Unwinder had a big hissyfit about it on these forums and walked away from EVGA even though it was users and not EVGA making the accusations. Shame really, because he did really good work. The point is, it seems he walked away from EVGA, not the other way around. Would love to see him come back. It is my impression that his work with EVGA made him 'known', something worth keeping in mind.. note also that MSI AfterBurner came after EVGA Precision, because Precision was so popular. While I'm on the subject, I would love to see Shamino come back to EVGA, but sadly I don't think it's going to happen.
I can see your points but cloning sometimes does not work with out the testing it, rewritten on the cheap ,you get what you paid for ,plus evga has stopped sending him the $$ when they stopped payment dec. 2013 seems like alot of peeps went back to 4.xx- er is not paid for should be pulled imo. Px is out ,5.xx if it doesn't work--- to bad - use msi-ab but why in the past was Alex even in the forums trouble shooting for evga's software? given the post above he more than likely stayed longer than you or I would have . imo
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
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yes let us ignore this, for we know EVGA will rise above the petty lies and conquer :D
yes a big us company with unlimited funds beats up/screws a 1 man programer and still uses his work .
hail the money gods in the us. lol how old are you btw he's been building that program for 17 years maybe longer than your life experience
haha I get it now life is just a vid. game for you right ? kill the good guys is fun lol.
nah kid, its quite simple really, what I smell is the same kinda of crap apple pulls, if a UI is already great the way it is, why change it for the sake of change its that simple. Also unless he filed a copy right he doesn't own the look and feel of anything plain and simple, I could release something that looked identical and unless their is a copy right I could do it as well. As I see it anything he made for EVGA is EVGA's property, he built while being paid by them, neither side has shown us the excat contract and I doubt they will, but no company pay's for software to be built that they don't have control over it 100%. Maybe he didn't release the source code, but EVGA isn't foolish enough to just say hey make this, we will distribute it and you retain 100% control, that's a bad business practice. You can moan all you want and it will never change it, your always free to return to the communist haven of Guru3d though, I'm sure alot of us ditched those whacko's awhile ago.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 21:18:19
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ty_ger07Right, wrong, morality, ownership, claims, all that aside (because it is a lot of opinion and the facts are not known), the point is that you put words in Raging's mouth which he never actually said.
I've never put words in his mouth. I expressed my personal opinion based on his findings.
Also, in my opinion that you initially quoted, I was again, offering my opinion of the situation and not using anything Ragin has said, twisting or otherwise.
I think we need some reading comprehension/grammar 101 over here.
It's quite clear that you believe Ragin is "god, almighty" which is fine but, he's simply "proving' what Unwinder (The actual creator of the program) has already said so...
Again, thanks for your candor.
There you go again placing words in his mouth. What he actually said is that it appears that 99.9999% (that's 100% in floating point, isn't it?) of the code was written by EVGA and that he could NOT substantiate Unwinder's claims. How is that 'proving' Unwinder's claims when he actually said the opposite? I don't know if I agree with Ragingcain or if his opinion is correct. I don't know if your opinion is correct. The only thing I am disagree with is YOU saying that Raging said X when he actually said Y. Interpret Raging's data whichever way you want; but don't yell to the community that Raging said something he never said.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 21:26:01
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I don't understand why EVGA is passively trying to make Unwinder out to be the bad guy, while praising his work at the same time... For one, it seems like a bad move for their reputation. For two, what reason does Unwinder have for lying at this point? He even said that he won't pursue legal action... This really makes EVGA look dishonest. Sorry, there is NO reason for Unwinder to lie in this situation, but every reason for EVGA to mislead. I hope my critical stance toward EVGA does not lead to them dishonoring any of my future RMA requests...
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 21:46:45
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I don't understand why EVGA is passively trying to make Unwinder out to be the bad guy, while praising his work at the same time... For one, it seems like a bad move for their reputation. For two, what reason does Unwinder have for lying at this point? He even said that he won't pursue legal action... This really makes EVGA look dishonest. Sorry, there is NO reason for Unwinder to lie in this situation, but every reason for EVGA to mislead. I hope my critical stance toward EVGA does not lead to them dishonoring any of my future RMA requests...
Look at it this way: Unwinder made back-room deals to purposely upset EVGA and refused to support his software for EVGA (refuses to answer people's questions on this forum, doesn't fix bugs, and doesn't release updates for many months). The reasons he chose to do so may or may not good; that is only opinion. But that situation forced EVGA to find another team of individuals to design and support a piece of software to fill the same niche from now and into the future. Unwinder refused to support the software. The software was in danger of becoming dead. Unwinder threatened to terminate his contract. What was EVGA supposed to do? Just let the project die? Why wouldn't a piece of software designed to fill the same niche have the same functionality? Is functionality copyrighted (even if you use totally different code to obtain similar results)? Why does Unwinder care now if he didn't care about the software before? Is Unwinder just trying to cause a fight? We don't know whether EVGA owned the UI. If EVGA did own the UI, then I don't see that EVGA did much wrong. Clearly the backend was original code created by EVGA's team and not copied from Unwinder. Only the front-end (UI) is in question. Now, why would Unwinder be upset? This has been his pet project for decades and very likely he would become jealous or upset if someone else came along to replace him. EVGA claims that they own the UI. Assuming that is true, the majority of their work was associated with creating the backend. They made the backend to overclock and monitor video cards (a function which is copyrighted?) and then made sure that the backend would use the same resource IDs to work with their existing front-end. Then, to get the product out the door, they copied the EULA (are EULAs copyrighted?) but forgot to edit the irrelevant information. Egg on the face for not polishing the product more, sure, but illegal?
post edited by ty_ger07 - 2014/07/18 22:12:10
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 21:57:28
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Looking at this latest release Unwinder doesn't have much to be jealous of lol.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 22:02:01
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Looking at this latest release Unwinder doesn't have much to be jealous of lol.
And Unwinder's first version was clearly perfect. All of his following versions were just for publicity.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 22:10:17
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I don't understand why EVGA is passively trying to make Unwinder out to be the bad guy, while praising his work at the same time... For one, it seems like a bad move for their reputation. For two, what reason does Unwinder have for lying at this point? He even said that he won't pursue legal action... This really makes EVGA look dishonest. Sorry, there is NO reason for Unwinder to lie in this situation, but every reason for EVGA to mislead. I hope my critical stance toward EVGA does not lead to them dishonoring any of my future RMA requests...
Look at it this way: Umwinder made back-room deals to purposely upset EVGA and refused to support his product for EVGA (refuses to answer people's questions on this forum, doesn't fix bugs, and doesn't release updates for many months). The reasons he chose to do so may or may not good; that is only opinion. But that situation forced EVGA to find another team of individuals to design and support the product from now and into the future.
We don't know whether EVGA owned the UI. If EVGA did own the UI, then I don't see that EVGA did much wrong. Clearly the backend was original code created by EVGA's team and not copied from Unwinder. Only the front-end (UI) is in question.
Now, why would Unwinder be upset? This has been his pet project for decades and very likely he would become jealous or upset if someone else came along to replace him.
EVGA claims that they own the UI. Assuming that is true, the majority of their work was associated with creating the backend. They made the backend to overclock and monitor video cards (a function which is copyrighted?) and then made sure that the backend would use the same resource IDs to work with their existing front-end. Then, to get the product out the door, they copied the EULA (are EULAs copyrighted?) but forgot to edit the irrelevant information. Egg on the face for not polishing the product more, sure, but illegal?
Copied him? Yes. Now, I remember when Unwinder started having ill feelings for EVGA and the forums. I was part of that discussion. It was me criticising his bug, that EVGA now has... The one that killed a video card of mine. The one that locked my vid card fan at 40%. Why do I say this was the turning point? Because, he actually said it was the last time he was going to support the EVGA users. I never liked him, but EVGA should have completely redone this program.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 22:15:15
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Is functionality copyrighted even if you use 100% original code to obtain the desired results? If you could copyright 2+2=4 (that's a function), we would have an even more defunct legal system than we already have. How should EVGA make overclocking and monitoring software without making it capable of overclocking and monitoring? How could they achieve the goal and make it seem like they obtained a different goal in order to not step on people's toes? If EVGA owns the UI as they claim, why wouldn't they want to use it?
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 22:16:50
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Is functionality copyrighted even if you use 100% original code to obtain the desired results? If you could copyright 2+2=4 (that's a function), we would have an even more defunct legal system than we already have.
Like Unwinder, I do not believe this line of BS from EVGA. Besides EVGA and Unwinder, I don't think any of us ever will know.
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Re: Did EVGA just Steal the Rivatuner RTSS design concept into PrecisionX 15 ?
2014/07/18 22:18:55
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I will say, all of this has further driven me to MSI Afterburner.... Mainly because of all the bugs I am hearing of with the new Precision. They really should have released this as a beta or polished it more before releasing it.
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