maskedmenace mack-attackcain rage or whatever your name is... You need to leave. This is not acceptable.I fail to understand what isn't acceptable. Unwinder's source code was essentially copied and those whom copied it failed to not only alter it but, failed to even get it to function via reverse engineering. That's like you baking a cake. My stealing your cake and icing it, then giving it back to you for your birthday. Only it's gross and disgusting because I tried to re-bake it. It was YOUR cake. It was UNWINDER'S PROPERTY.
mack-attackcain rage or whatever your name is... You need to leave. This is not acceptable.
ty_ger07Umm... noDon't twist ragingcain's words to suit your campaign.Ragingcain said that 99.9999% of the new Precision X version ISN'T Unwinder's work. Even with Unwinder's direction, Ragingcain was unable to substantiate the majority of Unwinder's claims.
I feel it warrants some explanation from EVGA, even if it is 99.9999% developed in house, it wasn't all EVGAs IP to use.
ARMYguyI am no coder but from just sitting back and watching this all, i cant help but think, especially if what ragin says is correct, that a lot of people will look mighty stupid. Of course, maybe not. I would prefer not to jump into the rage camp though, like many on guru have done. Ill just wait and see myself. Having only half the opinion (the person who made riva tuner) is not the whole story, so why get all bent out of shape over it?
Unwinder has established there are parts of PrecisionX he did not authorize to be there. Depending on his contract he might be completely valid, as nobody really knows the intricacies of the agreement between EVGA and Unwinder. However, I do believe Unwinder has a valid claim going off of what we know.EVGA has some explaining, but I want to point out, Unwinder himself has said they did not have source code.It is safe to absolutely say, even if it was just what we see above, EVGA have made a false claim of 100% in house code as some of it obviously exists in work Unwinder did.
maskedmenacety_ger07Umm... noDon't twist ragingcain's words to suit your campaign.Ragingcain said that 99.9999% of the new Precision X version ISN'T Unwinder's work. Even with Unwinder's direction, Ragingcain was unable to substantiate the majority of Unwinder's claims.First of all, Ragincain is not an expert, he has stated so multiple times. He's a good guy and a coder but, an expert, not. According to Unwinder it was stolen...According to EVGA it was: Well uh, we'd never do that but, we don't know so we're looking into it. That leaves me with Unwinder, the actually guy...Who says it was. Also as Ragin has found: I feel it warrants some explanation from EVGA, even if it is 99.9999% developed in house, it wasn't all EVGAs IP to use. It still wasn't EVGA's IP so, I fail to see how I'm twisting anything...Stolen is stolen is stolen. Thanks for your candor, however.
kaninjamack-attackcain rage or whatever your name is... You need to leave. This is not acceptable.No, he does not need to leave. He is welcome here and you are not a moderator. If he does something against the TOS a moderator will take care of it.Thank you Ragingcain for your insight. It is much appreciated.
ty_ger07Right, wrong, morality, ownership, claims, all that aside (because it is a lot of opinion and the facts are not known), the point is that you put words in Raging's mouth which he never actually said.
theGryphonkaninjamack-attackcain rage or whatever your name is... You need to leave. This is not acceptable.No, he does not need to leave. He is welcome here and you are not a moderator. If he does something against the TOS a moderator will take care of it.Thank you Ragingcain for your insight. It is much appreciated.You must have missed the other poster's (his name was "cain rage evga dog") first-ever post filled with vulgar personal attack. Since then, the post is removed and the poster is probably banned...
BaltothewolfI think unwinder should sue. If what has been said is true. Not for the money, but to show the big companies they can't get away with such things. It doesn't seem Evga is remorseful at all to what they have done, what's to keep them from doing it again in the future? How do you teach a big Company that has a lot of money a lesson? Hit their wallets.
candle_86yes let us ignore this, for we know EVGA will rise above the petty lies and conquer :D
wanakoSo essntially, this is all clickbait by Guru3D, and we're all eating it up. Nothing to see here, move along.
FettlewanakoSo essntially, this is all clickbait by Guru3D, and we're all eating it up. Nothing to see here, move along. I agree. My hate has got much straonger now. Don't really like that Hillbert. Still, I wont stop using EVGA products. I dont 'really' use any softwares like Precision, even tough I have it. Precision X version 4.0.0 and OC scanner 2.2.3. I hardly use them. Don't care. Happy with my GPU. This idiotic issue wont repel me from EVGA. To Unwinder, good job!. You know you are not in America but you want to work with American entities. What happened to you is fair enough, if it happened. I like how you moan about not being in US and that you cant take any action. Enjoy the pain. Go code with your tears. HAH!.
Nereus LOL at this thread. Go check out this forum ..if PrecisionX 15 was an exact copy of Unwinder's code, why are there a bunch of issues that weren't there before? LOL. I recall the bs a few years ago when some users were saying RTSS was screwing their games up / destroying GPU's etc etc and Unwinder had a big hissyfit about it on these forums and walked away from EVGA even though it was users and not EVGA making the accusations. Shame really, because he did really good work. The point is, it seems he walked away from EVGA, not the other way around. Would love to see him come back. It is my impression that his work with EVGA made him 'known', something worth keeping in mind.. note also that MSI AfterBurner came after EVGA Precision, because Precision was so popular. While I'm on the subject, I would love to see Shamino come back to EVGA, but sadly I don't think it's going to happen.
Rgallantcandle_86yes let us ignore this, for we know EVGA will rise above the petty lies and conquer :Dyes a big us company with unlimited funds beats up/screws a 1 man programer and still uses his work .hail the money gods in the us. lol how old are you btw he's been building that program for 17 years maybe longer than your life experiencehaha I get it now life is just a vid. game for you right ? kill the good guys is fun lol.
maskedmenacety_ger07Right, wrong, morality, ownership, claims, all that aside (because it is a lot of opinion and the facts are not known), the point is that you put words in Raging's mouth which he never actually said.I've never put words in his mouth. I expressed my personal opinion based on his findings. Also, in my opinion that you initially quoted, I was again, offering my opinion of the situation and not using anything Ragin has said, twisting or otherwise. I think we need some reading comprehension/grammar 101 over here. It's quite clear that you believe Ragin is "god, almighty" which is fine but, he's simply "proving' what Unwinder (The actual creator of the program) has already said so... Again, thanks for your candor.
chrisdglongI don't understand why EVGA is passively trying to make Unwinder out to be the bad guy, while praising his work at the same time... For one, it seems like a bad move for their reputation. For two, what reason does Unwinder have for lying at this point? He even said that he won't pursue legal action... This really makes EVGA look dishonest. Sorry, there is NO reason for Unwinder to lie in this situation, but every reason for EVGA to mislead. I hope my critical stance toward EVGA does not lead to them dishonoring any of my future RMA requests...
kaninjaLooking at this latest release Unwinder doesn't have much to be jealous of lol.
ty_ger07chrisdglongI don't understand why EVGA is passively trying to make Unwinder out to be the bad guy, while praising his work at the same time... For one, it seems like a bad move for their reputation. For two, what reason does Unwinder have for lying at this point? He even said that he won't pursue legal action... This really makes EVGA look dishonest. Sorry, there is NO reason for Unwinder to lie in this situation, but every reason for EVGA to mislead. I hope my critical stance toward EVGA does not lead to them dishonoring any of my future RMA requests... Look at it this way: Umwinder made back-room deals to purposely upset EVGA and refused to support his product for EVGA (refuses to answer people's questions on this forum, doesn't fix bugs, and doesn't release updates for many months). The reasons he chose to do so may or may not good; that is only opinion. But that situation forced EVGA to find another team of individuals to design and support the product from now and into the future. We don't know whether EVGA owned the UI. If EVGA did own the UI, then I don't see that EVGA did much wrong. Clearly the backend was original code created by EVGA's team and not copied from Unwinder. Only the front-end (UI) is in question.Now, why would Unwinder be upset? This has been his pet project for decades and very likely he would become jealous or upset if someone else came along to replace him.EVGA claims that they own the UI. Assuming that is true, the majority of their work was associated with creating the backend. They made the backend to overclock and monitor video cards (a function which is copyrighted?) and then made sure that the backend would use the same resource IDs to work with their existing front-end. Then, to get the product out the door, they copied the EULA (are EULAs copyrighted?) but forgot to edit the irrelevant information. Egg on the face for not polishing the product more, sure, but illegal?
ty_ger07Is functionality copyrighted even if you use 100% original code to obtain the desired results? If you could copyright 2+2=4 (that's a function), we would have an even more defunct legal system than we already have.