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2015/05/03 20:34:56 (permalink)
So, I decided, while I wait on a 4790k to return from an RMA, to delid the G1820 test cpu that I bought to check boards with.  I am attaching a youtube video showing the quickest, safest, easiest way to cut temperatures on the intel "Z" series CPU's that have thermal paste. (do not attempt this with the "X" series cpu.. If you do, you are a fool, they are soldered. Note that I say "Z series cpu's that have thermal paste")
 
This is not the full scope of things, removing the epoxy and such is pretty basic.. it's the same as replacing thermal material in a normal setting, so I am showing you how to get the IHS off in under 3 minutes with only one tool...
 
Mods:  You may ask, why is this in the Overclocking, Cooling and Benchmarking thread?  Overclocking and benchmarking leads to thermal issues, and this provides greater cooling once completed. I don't believe this belongs in the general hardware, as it ties into the very important portions of all three main topics of this subforum. If you feel it belongs in General Hardware, please move it.
 

 
At the end of the video, when I talk about removing the epoxy, just use the edge of a debit card.  It is super easy to use, and cleans everything off very well.
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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/03 20:41:35 (permalink)
    No Way, No Way.
     
    This is all I used

     

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/03 20:45:03 (permalink)
    Yes, taking a gauge out of your pcb after 20 minutes of sawing with a razor... No thanks. That is archaic and dangerous.

    Too many people with unsteady hands destroy their gpu trying to use a razor, not to mention the risk of slicing yourself open.



    As for the delid, one thing I didn't mention was the capacitors and covering them. Since I use coolaboratory liquid pro, I always cover the capacitors with clear fingernail polish. It takes only a second to apply. You can use liquid tape or even non conductive thermal material as well. As long as they are protected from the CLP, they will be fine.
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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/03 20:50:08 (permalink)
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    Yes, tak8ng a gauge out of your pcb after 20 minutes of sawing with a razor... No thanks. That is archaic and dangerous.


    I did two i7- 3770K CPUs, the first one in 30 minutes then second one in 10 minutes.

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/03 20:51:23 (permalink)
    Watch someone try this with the i7-5930K CPU.

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/03 20:53:41 (permalink)
    bcavnaugh

    I did two i7- 3770K CPUs, the first one in 30 minutes then second one in 10 minutes.



    I must ask, did you watch the video. You may have steady hands, but go look at OCN where deciding is constantly talked about, and you will see many examples of why not to use a razor.

    Anyway, if people would rather risk it, feel free. It doesn't hurt me or cost me hundreds of dollars when they filet their cpu.


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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/03 20:54:22 (permalink)
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    Watch someone try this with the i7-5930K CPU.


    Is the 5930k a Z series cpu? No. It is an X series, which is soldered. I will include that, because someone will be probably be foolish enough to try it.


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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/03 20:58:01 (permalink)
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    I did two i7- 3770K CPUs, the first one in 30 minutes then second one in 10 minutes.



    I must ask, did you watch the video. You may have steady hands, but go look at OCN where deciding is constantly talked about, and you will see many examples of why not to use a razor.

    Anyway, if people would rather risk it, feel free. It doesn't hurt me or cost me hundreds of dollars when they filet their cpu.

     
    I think I learned how to do it over on OCN. But I hear what you are saying and it is very dangerous to do.

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/03 21:00:54 (permalink)
    If you go to OCN now, you will see the only method that people suggest is vice only.. I mean, it took less than a minute to be fill complete after I shut up. There are 30-45 minute long videos of people teaching to use the razor, or hammer and vice, or heat gun... All which are archaic and unnecessary.


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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/03 22:18:52 (permalink)
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    Watch someone try this with the i7-5930K CPU.


    Is the 5930k a Z series cpu? No. It is an X series, which is soldered. I will include that, because someone will be probably be foolish enough to try it.

    Where do find out if a CPU us a Z or an X Series CPU?

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/04 00:39:11 (permalink)
    I've delidded 5 of these things in the past few years.  Hammer vice is the way to go.  It goes a lot easier if you use a large hammer and a proper bench vise.
     
    You can also relid them using silicone and a clamp.

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/04 03:11:27 (permalink)
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    Where do find out if a CPU us a Z or an X Series CPU?



    I think Scarlet is referring to mobo sockets and related CPUs , as in Z97 and X99.

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/04 03:25:32 (permalink)
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    Where do find out if a CPU us a Z or an X Series CPU?



    I think Scarlet is referring to mobo sockets and related CPUs , as in Z97 and X99.


    LOL. At least you got it. Yes B x99, z97, z87, x79. They are the chipset the cpu belongs to. It's easier the 115x, 2011, 2011v3, 1155, 1156, 1151 (when that comes out). Z series are cheap (consumer) X series is not enthusiast).



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    I've delidded 5 of these things in the past few years.  Hammer vice is the way to go.  It goes a lot easier if you use a large hammer and a proper bench vise.
     
    You can also relid them using silicone and a clamp.


    I damaged the PCB on my 4770k because of the hammer. That is exactly why smashing something two or three times with a hammer and piece of wood will never happen again. Again, just like the razor, there is a much higher failure rate compared to just the vice.
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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/04 21:02:54 (permalink)
    Didn't EK or someone have a 1150 bolt/bracket for a waterblock for delids?
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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/04 21:05:13 (permalink)
    Yes, ek makes the Naked I you thing kit. It is just shorter mounting posts and works well.

    MSi made a delid retention bracket, but you are required to buy the entire motherboard to get a tiny piece of plastic.


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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/05 17:32:18 (permalink)
    I always thought the whole delidding process was begging for a dedicated fixture that could be rented out to people to delid their parts without needing a vise.  At one point I had mocked up in Solidworks a clamshell fixture where you could drop the chip in one half, put the other half on, and hit the strike zone with a hammer and the lid comes off perfectly (and you can't hit too hard since the whole the top half would have a stop peg on it).   I would have had it fabbed up but at the time when I was shopping for quotes I was getting ridiculous prices like $700 a pop so it died there .  Could probably be done for a few hundred $ nowadays.
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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/05 17:42:44 (permalink)
    I got the vice for free, to be honest.. I personally don't see the point of the excessive prices or unnecessary tools when you can purchase these vice for $10-20 on Amazon.

    As for a fix, Intel needs to solder everything. Period. This shouldn't be necessary, ever.


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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/05 17:44:05 (permalink)
    Ironically I'm wishing Haswell-E wasn't soldered because I want to delid the thing :).  You can see in the other thread the crazy measures that have to be taken to try to get better heat transfer.

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/05 17:58:59 (permalink)
    I can see them, and they seem extremely futile at this point.


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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/06 11:47:58 (permalink)
    I use my teeth 
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2015/05/09 23:51:46 (permalink)
    Looks interesting. After botching my i7 3770K I decided not to go that route again. I'm glad Intel still gave me a replacement after I glued it back together though. lol
     
    I thought about it for a short while when I still had the 30 day return on my i7 4790K but I just don't see a reason... It stays plenty cool and just messing around with overclocking a little bit, I was able to get 4.7GHz stable enough to play games on stock voltage with my current chip. Just running stock at the moment, runs everything smooth right now.

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/09 09:31:09 (permalink)
    It kinda actually hurts seeing delidding - but I want to start doing it with my older CPU first and see how it goes.
    Thanks everyone for for posting advice and hints - because I have no idea what I'm doing. 
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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/09 09:36:54 (permalink)
    One way to shock a thread alive, It's Alive.
     
    Rockit 88 Delid & Relid for LGA 1150 & 1151 by Rockit 88
     
     Or
     
    Delid Die Mate 2
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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/11 11:34:56 (permalink)
    +1 thats a great tool. if i had a proc to delid that would definitely be my go to.

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/11 12:57:22 (permalink)
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    One way to shock a thread alive, It's Alive.
     
    Rockit 88 Delid & Relid for LGA 1150 & 1151 by Rockit 88
     
     Or
     
    Delid Die Mate 2


    There are a ton of innovative tools that make it super easy to delid now. Der8auer is the one I would trust the most to make a good tool!


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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/11 13:57:54 (permalink)
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    One way to shock a thread alive, It's Alive.
     
    Rockit 88 Delid & Relid for LGA 1150 & 1151 by Rockit 88
     
     Or
     
    Delid Die Mate 2


    There are a ton of innovative tools that make it super easy to delid now. Der8auer is the one I would trust the most to make a good tool!

    Delid Die Mate 2 and is no where to be found, on a waiting list since last month.

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 00:13:41 (permalink)
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    One way to shock a thread alive, It's Alive.

    Rockit 88 Delid & Relid for LGA 1150 & 1151 by Rockit 88

    Or

    Delid Die Mate 2


    There are a ton of innovative tools that make it super easy to delid now. Der8auer is the one I would trust the most to make a good tool!

    Delid Die Mate 2 and is no where to be found, on a waiting list since last month.


    Why not cancel the Delid Die Mate and get the Rockit88?
    Personally used one and it's the easiest thing ever. Dropped my temps 15C.

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 06:59:21 (permalink)
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    bcavnaugh
    One way to shock a thread alive, It's Alive.

    Rockit 88 Delid & Relid for LGA 1150 & 1151 by Rockit 88

    Or

    Delid Die Mate 2


    There are a ton of innovative tools that make it super easy to delid now. Der8auer is the one I would trust the most to make a good tool!

    Delid Die Mate 2 and is no where to be found, on a waiting list since last month.


    Why not cancel the Delid Die Mate and get the Rockit88?
    Personally used one and it's the easiest thing ever. Dropped my temps 15C.


    see if the DR. DE-lid pro is in stock at aquacomputer, it works great and instead of pushing the IHS it turns it to break the seal, i have used it to do about 20 cpu's. it does 1151 but if you remove the notch bumps it will do 1150 also. best part its aluminum so it holds up better than plastic ones.  https://shop.aquacomputer.de/product_info.php?products_id=3663 and if you want to go nekked die cooling check out the spacer 

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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 15:20:13 (permalink)
    I did forget the old fashion way.


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    Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 15:27:57 (permalink)
    Ordered and on the Way
    Rockit 88 Delid & Relid for LGA 1150 & 1151 by Rockit 88

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