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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 15:38:35 (permalink)
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 17:13:40 (permalink)
I would not do this on an I9 CPU.

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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 19:36:03 (permalink)
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One way to shock a thread alive, It's Alive.
 
Rockit 88 Delid & Relid for LGA 1150 & 1151 by Rockit 88
 
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Delid Die Mate 2


Awesome tool I used it to Delid my 4790K, super safe and easy, make sure to get some super glue though.  I would never use a razor and you would not want to delid a CPU with solder on it already like 6800K.    

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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 19:40:21 (permalink)
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I would not do this on an I9 CPU.


Why not? Many of the delid tools are meant for the 2066 cpus.
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 19:55:04 (permalink)
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I would not do this on an I9 CPU.


Why not? Many of the delid tools are meant for the 2066 cpus.

$1400 -v- $340 mostly

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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 20:32:06 (permalink)
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I would not do this on an I9 CPU.


Why not? Many of the delid tools are meant for the 2066 cpus.

$1400 -v- $340 mostly


Yeah spot on, that's a load of money for just a CPU, pretty insane if you ask me, you could put that to better parts instead of more "Cores". 

Benchmarks:
3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/20432970?
3D Mark Fire Strike Extreme: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/20432775?
3D Mark Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/20432865?
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 20:53:15 (permalink)
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I would not do this on an I9 CPU.


Why not? Many of the delid tools are meant for the 2066 cpus.

$1400 -v- $340 mostly


Yeah spot on, that's a load of money for just a CPU, pretty insane if you ask me, you could put that to better parts instead of more "Cores". 


I have the Best Parts, maybe you can tell us what Better Parts you are referring to?
We all use our "Cores" for what we need them for and when we need them.
We all use our Computers for what we Build (Assemble) them for.
Some want More Cores and Some Want More Graphics Cards and so on.
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 21:08:43 (permalink)
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I would not do this on an I9 CPU.


Why not? Many of the dead tools are meant for the 2066 anyone's.

$1400 -v- $340 mostly


Yeah spot on, that's a load of money for just a CPU, pretty insane if you ask me, you could put that to better parts instead of more "Cores". 


I have the Best Parts, maybe you can tell us what Better Parts you are referring to?
We all use our "Cores" for what we need them for and when we need them.
We all use our Computers for what we Build (Assemble) them for.
Some want More Cores and Some Want More Graphics Cards and so on.


"Better" and "Best" parts are down to anyone's interpretation, not saying you don't, just my two cents of what a user could do instead of getting a super CPU.  Not sure if you misread my post but I was agreeing with you about deliding a $1400 CPU is probably not worth it considering you lose your warranty.   Also Koolance voids your waterblock warranty if you dont buy their coolant, that's not that great to the consumer in the end. 
post edited by Krzysztof47 - 2018/02/14 12:53:51

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3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/20432970?
3D Mark Fire Strike Extreme: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/20432775?
3D Mark Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/20432865?
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 21:17:46 (permalink)
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I would not do this on an I9 CPU.


Why not? Many of the dead tools are meant for the 2066 anyone's.

$1400 -v- $340 mostly


Yeah spot on, that's a load of money for just a CPU, pretty insane if you ask me, you could put that to better parts instead of more "Cores". 


I have the Best Parts, maybe you can tell us what Better Parts you are referring to?
We all use our "Cores" for what we need them for and when we need them.
We all use our Computers for what we Build (Assemble) them for.
Some want More Cores and Some Want More Graphics Cards and so on.


"Better" and "Best" parts are down to anyones interpretation, not saying you don't, just my twocents of what a user could do instead of getting a super CPU.  Not sure if you missread my post but I was agreeing with you about deliding a $1400 CPU is probably not worth considering you loose your waranty.  


Yes I did, your post was a little miss leading.

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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/13 21:26:07 (permalink)
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I would not do this on an I9 CPU.


Why not? Many of the dead tools are meant for the 2066 anyone's.

$1400 -v- $340 mostly


Yeah spot on, that's a load of money for just a CPU, pretty insane if you ask me, you could put that to better parts instead of more "Cores". 


I have the Best Parts, maybe you can tell us what Better Parts you are referring to?
We all use our "Cores" for what we need them for and when we need them.
We all use our Computers for what we Build (Assemble) them for.
Some want More Cores and Some Want More Graphics Cards and so on.


"Better" and "Best" parts are down to anyones interpretation, not saying you don't, just my twocents of what a user could do instead of getting a super CPU.  Not sure if you missread my post but I was agreeing with you about deliding a $1400 CPU is probably not worth considering you loose your waranty.  


Yes I did, your post was a little miss leading.


Well, sorry about that, won't happen again hopefully 

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3D Mark Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/20432865?
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/14 06:04:56 (permalink)
A 7980xe benefits very well from a delid. If you are scared of making your cpu better and then using a little rtv sealant to keep the IHS in place, then don’t delid. Cost of the part means nothing when you are looking for a benefit. The x299 cpu’s All use thermal paste rather than solder, and that is a fault of Intel. I wouldn’t delid an x99 cpu because it is soldered and there would be no benefit. However, all x299 cpus benefit just like A $450 cpu does.
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/14 09:38:06 (permalink)
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A 7980xe benefits very well from a delid. If you are scared of making your cpu better and then using a little rtv sealant to keep the IHS in place, then don’t delid. Cost of the part means nothing when you are looking for a benefit. The x299 cpu’s All use thermal paste rather than solder, and that is a fault of Intel. I wouldn’t delid an x99 cpu because it is soldered and there would be no benefit. However, all x299 cpus benefit just like A $450 cpu does.

I Paid $100 more for coverage so that would be like burning a Hundred Dollar Bill.
Performance Tuning Protection Plan  But yes to would also benefit.
The Overclock on my i9-7940X is fine under water for what I use it for.
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/14 11:17:23 (permalink)
No it wouldn’t, I paid the $50 on the 5960 and they say that as long as the serial number isn’t affected, you can still warranty. Again, if you reattach the ihs with Black RTV sealant, there is no way to know that a delid was done.
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/14 12:56:22 (permalink)
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No it wouldn’t, I paid the $50 on the 5960 and they say that as long as the serial number isn’t affected, you can still warranty. Again, if you reattach the ihs with Black RTV sealant, there is no way to know that a delid was done.

I did not know this, thanks for sharing this. 

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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/14 13:58:39 (permalink)
P.S.

Intel, “did you overclock your CPU?”

Me, “yes”

Intel, “your warranty is void then...”

Me, *hang up, call back and gets a new tech on the phone*

Intel, “did you overclock the cpu?”

Me, “ no, I paid over $1000 for an unlocked cpu, why would I risk it?”

Intel, “cool, send it back, we will replace it.....”

Never tell intel you overclocked or delidded... but don’t break the cpu either. The flat black RTV looks exactly like the stock seal, so you can replace the sealant and it looks stock.

Don’t send it back with the IHS sitting in the box either... that would just give it all away. Take the time to line it up and make it look stock.
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/14 14:12:48 (permalink)
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P.S.

Intel, “did you overclock your CPU?”

Me, “yes”

Intel, “your warranty is void then...”

Me, *hang up, call back and gets a new tech on the phone*

Intel, “did you overclock the cpu?”

Me, “ no, I paid over $1000 for an unlocked cpu, why would I risk it?”

Intel, “cool, send it back, we will replace it.....”

Never tell intel you overclocked or delidded... but don’t break the cpu either. The flat black RTV looks exactly like the stock seal, so you can replace the sealant and it looks stock.

Don’t send it back with the IHS sitting in the box either... that would just give it all away. Take the time to line it up and make it look stock.

Great info lol , didn't know they voided warranties now for overclocking, seems they have no faith in their product.  Which RTV sealant would you recommend there seems to be a couple of different ones? 
post edited by Krzysztof47 - 2018/02/14 14:18:40

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3D Mark Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/20432865?
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/14 15:16:10 (permalink)
Permatex 82180 Ultra Black Maximum Oil Resistance RTV Silicone Gasket Maker, 3.35 oz. Tube 

Performance Tuning Protection Plan

Allows a single replacement for your qualified boxed processor, in addition to your standard 3 year warranty.
 
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/overclocking-intel-processors.html
Intel® Extreme Tuning Utility (Intel® XTU) Jan 2018
 
BTW What is Overclocking?
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/14 15:52:41 (permalink)
Thanks for the link

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3D Mark Fire Strike Extreme: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/20432775?
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/14 20:54:05 (permalink)
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A 7980xe benefits very well from a delid



Would not want to overclock 7980XE without delid. Or even use stock.  Pulls 600W+ from wall overclocked.
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/15 16:30:38 (permalink)
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A 7980xe benefits very well from a delid



Would not want to overclock 7980XE without delid. Or even use stock.  Pulls 600W+ from wall overclocked.


Wow.... lol
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/17 12:47:49 (permalink)
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One way to shock a thread alive, It's Alive.
 
Rockit 88 Delid & Relid for LGA 1150 & 1151 by Rockit 88
 
 Or
 
Delid Die Mate 2


yup. this is the only tool I would ever use to delid a proc. ive done 2 7700k chips with it using cool lab liquid metal. its cheap,simple to use and foolproof. just youtube some videos on it
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/17 12:53:51 (permalink)
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One way to shock a thread alive, It's Alive.
 
Rockit 88 Delid & Relid for LGA 1150 & 1151 by Rockit 88
 
 Or
 
Delid Die Mate 2


yup. this is the only tool I would ever use to delid a proc. ive done 2 7700k chips with it using cool lab liquid metal. its cheap,simple to use and foolproof. just youtube some videos on it


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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/17 13:18:50 (permalink)
Just unbelievable to me that Intel has gone so cheap as to stop soldering the cpu to the ihs. *sigh*
 
Thanks, gents, for the information in this thread. I'm building my son's first gaming rig, and of course he wants to delid and overclock it. I'm not sure whether to be proud, scared, or both. He's going to be running the base EVGA cpu cooler kit that we got as part of the GTX 1080/cpu cooler combination that (thankfully) EVGA is currently offering.
 
I'm planning on a Coffee Lake build, and I assume it is one that can benefit from de-lidding?

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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/17 13:22:36 (permalink)
Just remember to get a K CPU.

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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/17 13:31:31 (permalink)
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Just remember to get a K CPU.


Thanks for that. Yeah, I still need to do a bunch more research before I pry open my wallet. This forum has become a very nice source of research information for new rigs. It used to be that I only came here if I had a problem with my EVGA GPU, but now it's a great place to learn about *all* your planned build components.

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Corsair H110i cooler
Corsair Obsidian 750D Case
And honestly, I can't remember most of my other hardware stats because I built this rig way back in ought nine. I originally had a custom built water loop which included a water cooled EVGA GTX 295 card. Got rid of it when I upgraded to a GTX 980 at which point I added the Corsair cooler. I've added RAM, upgraded to a boot SSD, upgraded the GPU and this old girl can still run with the new kids. :)
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/17 14:12:47 (permalink)
Next time I would delid X299 and not put IHS back on.
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Re: Delidding for Rookies: What is the best method? 2018/02/17 17:45:33 (permalink)
If I was messing around with parts costing hundreds I’d just buy a specially designed delidding tool so I don’t mess something up.
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