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2017/05/25 02:05:18 (permalink)
I've never done any F@H I'd heard of it before but only recently began looking into it as something I'm willing to try, so please bear with me...
 
My second bedroom has become a graveyard of old towers and components, which is why I thought about using them for folding... Nearly all of the systems, and their components, I've come to realize are too outdated to be useful for a F@H rig. However, some of it might be useful, if nothing else, the cases themselves can be reused and the PSU's, ranging between 350-800w, might be usable as well.
 
To that end, I just spent the last 5 hours looking through the Folding forum to find answers to my MANY question and it seems like every answer found would blossom into two or more questions. Another poster commented on the exceptionally outdated FAQ, I share his sentiment, and found the resultant information enlightening. My thanks to him for the post and those who contributed. But now my brain hurts... I'm hoping what I'm about to ask is feasible, since it would dramatically simplify things into terms, and offer a perspective, that I can easily wrap my tired mind around...
 
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/
 
Please... Go there, pick parts necessary for a F@H rig, and post a link to your build here with the estimated PPD for that setup. Do more than one (if you're feeling generous), so that I can see what my options are for comparing build cost to PPD and see how much, if any, of my graveyard stockpile can be put to use.
 
Thanks in advance!
 
post edited by GenSeneca - 2017/05/25 02:07:27
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/25 02:37:23 (permalink)
Welcome GenSeneca,
To be efficient you really need a newer GPU, talking within the last 2 years..
I have 4x 970's, 5x 980ti's and 4x 1080 FTW's. Not had the funds for a 1080ti...... drool....
And boy do they heat up my room, currently 34'c today.... I am also Crunching with 4x HP servers with 4x CPU's each....
 
Maybe you should look at Crunching as it sounds like you have a variety or CPU's, What do you have??
You can get away with lower wattage PSU's with CPU Crunching, but once you add GPU's, you need a good quality and well rated, I do not go under 1000watt myself.
 
https://forums.evga.com/CrunchingEVGA-f79.aspx
 
For the parts picker, Everyone has their favorite CPU's, motherboards, ram and GPU's... EVGA of course...
So you really need to get an idea of your budget and work it out from there.
 
Ask away, plenty of friendly help here.
 
Cheers
Steve
 

 


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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/25 02:42:05 (permalink)
In a nut shell, today folding is mostly done on the GPU
At this point in time Nvidia is the better choice for folding.
a gtx970 is around 275,000 - 300,000 PPD
GTX980Ti will get around 600-700K PPD
GTx1080 is 750,000+ maybe more, I will find out very shortly.
1080Ti is 1,000,000+ PPD
1070, 600-650k
1060, 300,000 I do believe.
GTX660ti 100-125k PPD maybe less these days with the new WUs
I would not fold with anything older than a 660ti. The electricity and heat, is too much.
 
Most any MB with a PCIE slot and CPU with 2 or more cores, one core per GPU one for the OS and other programs can fold.
One core has to feed data to the GPU, with the newest gtx1080ti you may want something a little better than a core 2 duo...But that may even work to a good extent
Most people do not fold with CPUs. Not a lot of points for the electric used.
Many of us fold with GPU and crunch BOINC with our CPU

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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/25 02:55:47 (permalink)
Maybe post an inventory of what you have in the "grave yard" and see what would be feasible components to raise from the dead? I would do that first, run folding on what you revived (if possible). Then see if folding is something you would want to still consider, instead of building a new rig and finding out it's not what you expected it to be.
post edited by howdy2u2 - 2017/05/25 02:56:54
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/25 05:49:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby GenSeneca 2017/05/25 14:47:29
Here is my build minus the gpu, which i would suggest either a 1070 if money is tight or 1080ti.



One thing to note, if you want two 1080ti's then you'll need to upgrade to an 850w power supply.


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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/25 08:46:41 (permalink)
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Maybe post an inventory of what you have in the "grave yard" and see what would be feasible components to raise from the dead? I would do that first, run folding on what you revived (if possible). Then see if folding is something you would want to still consider, instead of building a new rig and finding out it's not what you expected it to be.


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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/25 10:46:12 (permalink)
GenSeneca, keep in mind the GPU is the most important component for folding. Crunching is different. I would suggest a minimum of a 1070. It is the best bang for the buck. Most of us gave up folding on CPU, simply because it wasn't worth the electricity used. If you decide you would like to give folding a try we would love to have you join us. 
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/25 13:53:51 (permalink)
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Here is my build minus the gpu, which i would suggest either a 1070 if money is tight or 1080ti.



One thing to note, if you want two 1080ti's then you'll need to upgrade to an 850w power supply.



Except the new Pentium is the same thing, just $40 bucks cheaper G4650 I think.

 
 

 
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/25 14:27:13 (permalink)
Graveyard inventory:
 
CyberpowerPC (2016)
Mobo = Gigibyte GA-78LMT-USB3
RAM = 16GB DDR3 @ 2133
CPU = AMD FX-8320 @ 3.5 GHz
GPU = XFX RX 480 8GB
PSU = 600W
HDD = 2TB SATA III
 
CyperpowerPC (2015)
Mobo = (unknown/not marked)
RAM = 8GB DDR3 @ 1333
CPU = AMD FX-4300 3.8 GHz
GPU = AMD Radeon R7 240 2 GB
PSU = 500W
HDD = 500GB SATA II
 
CyberpowerPC (2009)
Mobo = (unknown/not marked)
RAM = 4 GB DDR3 @ 1333
CPU = AMD Phenom II X4 955(3.2GHz)
GPU = NVIDIA GeForce 9800GT 1GB (Replaced with - Radeon HD 5870 1GB)
PSU = 700W
HDD = 500GB SATA II
 
The remaining towers and components are all over 10 years old, so I doubt they're worth posting. Again, the towers could easily be used with new internals and the PSU's might be usable as well.
 
@Chris21010 - Thank you for that post, it's very helpful! Are you using a hard drive you already own, or is the flash drive your actual drive? If that flash drive is your drive, you must not be using windows cuz that OS is PACKED with useless garbage that eats up space. Ubuntu? Linux? ReactOS?
 
@Everyone - I appreciate your replies, thank you. I realize I need to look at using newer GPU's for folding and found this chart to be VERY helpful in that regard:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vcVoSVtamcoGj5sFfvKF_XlvuviWWveJIg_iZ8U2bf0/pub
I'm looking at getting a pair of 1080 Ti's since they seem to have the best performance to cost ratio with 1,199,883 PPD each... Where I get lost is things like running dual cards, one runs x16 and the other only runs at x8 or x4? Does that mean the second card's PPD is cut in half, or worse, quartered? Or would the dual 1080 Ti's actually produce 2+ million PPD? I know those #'s are not guaranteed but I'm hoping they are close to what I can realistically expect.
 
So... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CqjgxY Those are the cards and CPU cooler (I'd go to the CLC280 if needed), can you guys help me fill in the blanks for things like MOBO, CPU, PSU, RAM, so I can see what else I'd need, if I don't already have it, to build a decent F@H rig? Also, if the x8, x4 stuff is going to reduce PPD on the secondary card, it doesn't seem worth running dual cards, I'd rather just build two rigs... I have plenty of towers and PSU's to do so.
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/25 15:05:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby GenSeneca 2017/05/25 17:01:01
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@Chris21010 - Thank you for that post, it's very helpful! Are you using a hard drive you already own, or is the flash drive your actual drive? If that flash drive is your drive, you must not be using windows cuz that OS is PACKED with useless garbage that eats up space. Ubuntu? Linux? ReactOS?



if its just a folding rig and nothing else 32GB flash drive with linux installed is plenty of space. i personally like Mint as its easy to install your graphics drivers. not to mention its free ;) i also plan on creating an install guide for mint here soon.
 
as for Pcie lanes your want to have at least 8x lanes. any less and there will be a reduction in PPD. as to how much no one has really done a hard study to find out. i will also note that i did a study on pcie 2.0 x8 vs pcie 3.0 x8 and found that 2.0 was 8% lower in ppd. so if you can also try to aim for pcie 3.0, with salvaged hardware this may not be possible.


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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/25 17:24:46 (permalink)
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if its just a folding rig and nothing else 32GB flash drive with linux installed is plenty of space. i personally like Mint as its easy to install your graphics drivers. not to mention its free ;) i also plan on creating an install guide for mint here soon.
 
as for Pcie lanes your want to have at least 8x lanes. any less and there will be a reduction in PPD. as to how much no one has really done a hard study to find out. i will also note that i did a study on pcie 2.0 x8 vs pcie 3.0 x8 and found that 2.0 was 8% lower in ppd. so if you can also try to aim for pcie 3.0, with salvaged hardware this may not be possible.

Very helpful and good to know, thank you!
 
I saw something about multi core CPU's being necessary for folding, 1 core per GPU and 1 dedicated to the transfer of information between CPU and GPU's... if that's accurate, then I'd need a 3-4 core CPU to run the 2 GPU's. Does the processing speed affect folding, and if so, by how much? I'd like to have a CPU with low wattage to reduce heat and improve operating costs but those tend to run at lower frequencies... It seems AMD are power hogs with very high wattage compared to Intel, so Intel CPU's are what I've been looking at. Any specific suggestions or does it matter?
I'd also need a compatible MOBO that will maximize PPD output... Any suggestions there?
 
I'm looking forward to seeing your install guide for Mint, that seems like a much better cost option for a F@H rig than Windows... I'd been looking at ReactOS, mainly because it's claimed to be similar to windows, which I'm already familiar with, and free as well. Any experience with that? I have no experience with Linux, what made you choose that?
 
I'd also read somewhere on here where the writes for folding quickly reduce life expectancy of SSD's and the guide explained how to prevent that very well... Does the same hold true for using the Flash drive in place of the HDD? I'd imagine it does and you've either solved that issue or found the reduced life expectancy to be within the operating service life of your rig... I know, I ask a lot of questions... Thanks for the help!
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/25 20:27:48 (permalink)
Not quite. You only need one logical core per gpu. So for two gpus you'll need a dual core or a single core with hyper threading. Granted getting a fast enough cpu to keep up with the gpu is not something i would leave to chance, especially with how fast gpus are getting. And you will not know if your cpu is fast enough untill someone tries it. There really isnt a hard set benchmark thats out there to tell you if it would work without bottlenecking your gpus PPD. And looking to save every watt possible is a noble thing to do but really not necessary. sticking with consumer grade products and not enthusiasts parts will help as they are geared more towards a power conscious market. But your multiple 250w graphics cards will be by far the most power hungry devices in the system and dwarf the few watts possibly saved.

As for which flavor of linux, does it really matter? Once it is setup you'll never look at it again till something brakes.

Now the F@H writes reducing life expectancy, that is new to me. The only thing it should write are downloads, logs, and work units checkpoints. The checkpoints you can set to save every 3-30 minutes. Even so the amount of writes on flash nowadays is soo high you may see a failure in 5 years with a ton of activity, so what. You can buy 10 more for the cost of an hdd that would last maybe twice as long.
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/25 21:18:28 (permalink)
Do you have a budget in mind? It looks like you are leaning towards a pair of 1080ti's. [Jealous!] 
 
Here is a PSU guide to show you what you would need to power things. https://www.evga.com/power-meter/
 
post edited by notfordman - 2017/05/25 21:23:00
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/26 05:36:42 (permalink)
Chris21010But your multiple 250w graphics cards will be by far the most power hungry devices in the system and dwarf the few watts possibly saved.

Good to know, thanks!
Chris21010As for which flavor of linux, does it really matter? Once it is setup you'll never look at it again till something brakes.

I stopped putting optical drives in my builds... So I have to ask even though it looks like the answer is yes... Can it be installed via USB?
Chris21010Now the F@H writes reducing life expectancy, that is new to me.

https://forums.evga.com/Will-Folding-Potential-Harm-My-SSD-m1411403.aspx
That's a 5 year old post, so IDK if things have changed much since then, but still, I'll stick with a cheap HDD for folding and save my SSD's for gaming.
 
notfordmanDo you have a budget in mind? It looks like you are leaning towards a pair of 1080ti's. [Jealous!] 

Actually... I'm looking at getting 3... 2 for the folding rig and 1 to replace the EVGA 1080 hybrid in my gaming system. Thinking about using the step up program for one but it seems like that takes an inordinate amount of time and energy. I'll probably just get the three 1080 Ti hybrids and sell the 1080 hybrid, or put it up as a raffle prize for my gaming community.
notfordmanHere is a PSU guide to show you what you would need to power things. https://www.evga.com/power-meter/

That recommended a 750-850 for my proposed build but that seemed to be cutting too close (722w est.)... So I picked the 1000W just to be safe.
 
Proposed Folding Rig: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/GenSeneca/saved/LY7NGX
 
Is 16gb Ram enough? Too much? IDK how much RAM folding requires...
post edited by GenSeneca - 2017/05/26 06:04:32
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/26 05:53:21 (permalink)
You'll need 1gb of ram per gpu on linux. Thats why i only have 4gb on my build. And virtually every OS nowadays can be installed via usb.


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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/26 21:25:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby GenSeneca 2017/05/27 01:45:49
GenSeneca
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CyberpowerPC (2016)
Mobo = Gigibyte GA-78LMT-USB3
RAM = 16GB DDR3 @ 2133
CPU = AMD FX-8320 @ 3.5 GHz
GPU = XFX RX 480 8GB
PSU = 600W
HDD = 2TB SATA III
 

 
 Viable choice for a single-card rig though the CPU is way overkill.
 Swap out the RX 480 for a NVidia 1070/1080/1080ti.
 If you have a lower-end AM3+ CPU with lower power consumption, it would be a good idea to swap CPUs.
 Even the Sempron 145 would be adaquate for a single-GPU setup.
 
GenSeneca
 
CyperpowerPC (2015)
Mobo = (unknown/not marked)
RAM = 8GB DDR3 @ 1333
CPU = AMD FX-4300 3.8 GHz
GPU = AMD Radeon R7 240 2 GB
PSU = 500W
HDD = 500GB SATA II
 

 
 Same recommendation as the first system, but check the PS - if it has an 8-pin PCI-E AND a 6-pin PCI-E it should have enough capability to run a 1080ti, if it only has a single 8-pin or 2x 6-pin limit yourself to a 1070 or upgrade the PS to a more-capable one (though the 500 watts in and of itself should be enough to run ANY GPU short of a Titan, how the +12VDC is set up makes a big difference).
 
GenSeneca
 
CyberpowerPC (2009)
Mobo = (unknown/not marked)
RAM = 4 GB DDR3 @ 1333
CPU = AMD Phenom II X4 955(3.2GHz)
GPU = NVIDIA GeForce 9800GT 1GB (Replaced with - Radeon HD 5870 1GB)
PSU = 700W
HDD = 500GB SATA II
 

 
 Same recommendation as the first system, unless it has 2 PCI-E 16-bit slots in which case *IF* the power supply has proper connections for 2 cards you can likely run 2 cards on this one.
 
GenSeneca
 
The remaining towers and components are all over 10 years old, so I doubt they're worth posting. Again, the towers could easily be used with new internals and the PSU's might be usable as well.
 

 
 Odds are you'd have to upgrade the PS on any such older system, but if it has a PCI-E 16-bit slot on the MB it SHOULD be perfectly able to run a single-card rig on it. I've got one of my rigs running on a old AMD socket-754 based system, with a Sempron 3000+, that pulls 620K PPD or a bit more on average with a single 1070.
 
 If it doesn't have a 64-bit CPU on it though, ignore it.
 
GenSeneca
 
So... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CqjgxY Those are the cards and CPU cooler (I'd go to the CLC280 if needed), can you guys help me fill in the blanks for things like MOBO, CPU, PSU, RAM, so I can see what else I'd need, if I don't already have it, to build a decent F@H rig? Also, if the x8, x4 stuff is going to reduce PPD on the secondary card, it doesn't seem worth running dual cards, I'd rather just build two rigs... I have plenty of towers and PSU's to do so.




 Any I7 is SERIOUS OVERKILL for a dedicated folding rig.
 Any dual-core would be PLENTY for a 2-card rig - even the G-series dual-core Celerons would be plenty.
 Shouldn't need a high-end CPU cooler, the stock cooler is plenty as the CPU is LOAFING in a pure folding rig almost all the time (and not working REAL hard when it is pushing data out to the GPUs).
 
 8x slots on PCI-E 3.0 don't reduce PPD noticeably if at all, 8x on 2.0 seems to reduce it a LITTLE, 4x on 2.0 might inflict a 10% performance loss at most.
 16 GB of ram is WAY overkill - my 3-card rigs usually run 4GB, and I already mentioned that single-card rig that only has 1GB on it.
 
 EVGA G2 750 should be enough for a pair of GTX 1080Ti, if you want to be "very safe" run an 850.
 1000 would be right for a 3-card 1080ti rig.
 
 
 Most of my 3-card rigs are more or less as follows:
 
 AMD A10-7860K
 (I run Moo Wrapper on the APU, so this isn't a "pure folding rig" - I'd drop this to the bottom-end quad core A4/6/8 on a pure folding rig, or possibly the lowest FX-series FM2+ quad core CPUs I can find)
 
ASRock FM2-A88X Extreme 6+
 
 4 GB of whatever GSKill or Crucial DDR3 1866 is cheapest at the time.
(You could get away with cheaper lower-performance RAM but I figure someday these machines will get sold as gaming machines when I hit a "power limits, time to upgrade all my hardware" phase again)
 
 500 GB hard drive
(or whatever the lowest-cost HGST I can find is at the time, though I often go with their 3GB instead for BURST mining on - I switched from WD a couple years back after seeing the Backblaze pages detailing drive reliability and noting that WD was noticeably worse than HGST, though not nearly as bad as Seagate).
 
 2 x 1070
(some are EVGA SC models, some are Gigabyte high-overclock but NOT the G1 models, whichever were less $ at the time - my NEWEST rig is going 2 x 1080 instead)
 
 1 x Gigabyte "ITX" model short 1070
 (this card lets the card in the middle slot BREATH and stay cool - the MSI version would also work, or any other "short" card - dunno why EVGA doesn't have a short 1070).
 
 Seasonic X-850 or EVGA G2 850 power supply
(a bit overkill, I COULD get away with the 750 models based on actual measured power usage with 3 x 1070 and have some headroom but my mining area gets HOT so I prefer a bit of overkill).
 
 If I were to use a case (most of my rigs are no-case open rigs), I would use the Thermaltake Versa V35 (the V35 works the same if you prefer controls on top of the case), and remove the bottom HD cage to fit a Delta 120mmx38 (AFB1212GHE by preference) or the 140mmx38 equivilent fan in the case for proper airflow to keep the GPUs cool.
 VERY nice case, works with up to 4x dual-width cards in one machine but I'd hate to try to keep them cool packed in that tight, and inexpen$ive.
 
 If I went to 2 x 1080 Ti, I'd *probably* upgrade the PS to the X-1050 or G2 1000 model, and DEFINITELY use the 140mm top-end AFB delta fan.
 The 850 models would handle a pair of 1080 Ti and a 1070 on a pure mining rig with a low-power quad-code CPU comfortably, but would be getting a bit marginal for my preferences with the high-end APU I actually use.
 
 For a pure folding rig, you *could* swap the A10 and the FM2 motherboard for the following:
 
ASRock 970X Extreme4
 whatever the bottom-end 4-core FX-series AMD CPU is, or possibly even a dual-core.
 
 I've had one of these MB running 2 x 960 and a 950 with a Athlon64 240x without issues for quite a while now, going back to before the 10xx series was released.
 Not sure if the oldish duo-core would handle 3 CURRENT GPUs on folding - worked fine on cryptocore mining or folding on those mid-range cards but most cryptocore mining isn't tossing around anywhere near as much data as Folding does nor is the GTX 960/950 nearly as demanding as more recent higher-end cards are.
 
 
 
 I strongly recommend AGAINST the new EVGA G3 (and the Seasonic "Prime") series, as both moved to a JUNK SLEEVE BEARING fan that has zero chance of long life in a 24/7 high-load environment like Folding.
 I don't understand why they made that move - both the G2 and the X-series used a dual ball-bearing fan that had VERY good longevity and was plenty quiet, and a machine that needs the kind of POWER those series provided isn't going to be all that quiet ANYWAY.
 "Quiet" is for low-power "media center" boxes that might need 200 watts AT MOST to run on.
 

Now that vorsholk has stopped his abuse, I'm returning to folding.
 I no longer MOO due to abuses by certain "whales" in the Gridcoin community - so I now work the Distributed.net project directly again.
 
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/26 21:36:48 (permalink)
GenSeneca, I myself have used the step-up program a few times. I will say it is a very good deal. EVGA gives you the full retail value of your old card, that you have been using. Plus the warranty and EAR plans transfer. The only downside is the selection, right now they are offering the SC Black. Of course it is your call, but I would if I could. 
 
Edit: ^^ good post, QuintLeo! 
post edited by notfordman - 2017/05/26 21:40:33
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/28 18:23:41 (permalink)
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GenSeneca, I myself have used the step-up program a few times. I will say it is a very good deal. EVGA gives you the full retail value of your old card, that you have been using. Plus the warranty and EAR plans transfer. The only downside is the selection, right now they are offering the SC Black. Of course it is your call, but I would if I could. 
 
Edit: ^^ good post, QuintLeo! 


 
SC Black is great for folding. You do not need the extra sensors, etc ... of higher models (SC2/FTW3) for folding, specially if you are going to run it on Linux.
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/28 23:08:19 (permalink)
Is there a difference between a "SC" and a "SC Black"?
 
 (edit - never mind, different naming for the same card)
 
I've never seen the point of using a FTW on folding, can get to the same clocks or very very close for significantly less $$, though I'm sure they work well enough at it.
 
post edited by QuintLeo - 2017/06/03 04:40:28

Now that vorsholk has stopped his abuse, I'm returning to folding.
 I no longer MOO due to abuses by certain "whales" in the Gridcoin community - so I now work the Distributed.net project directly again.
 
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/29 02:25:33 (permalink)
How's this one look fellas?
 
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gVKJD8
 
It's a single GPU, I have plenty of cases, HDD's and PSU's.
 
I'm used to building gaming rigs, so this is outside of my wheelhouse.
 
Any feedback is appreciated...
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/29 05:54:47 (permalink)
The only thing i do not really care for is the power supply. It being bronze efficient, instead of gold, and only being 550w means you'll waste more power as heat and can only use one card on that supply.


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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/29 14:16:42 (permalink)
I would also recommend a gold over a bronze, as the efficiency gains there pay off in a reasonable timeframe.
Seasonic G550 is a good choice in that power range, though somewhat overkill for a single-GPU build.
 
 I'm not sure, but I think you need 2 SIMM sticks - might look into a 2 x 2GB ram set instead.
4GB should be plenty for a pure folding rig, 2GB would be for that matter but I dunno if you can find 1GB DDR4 simms or if they would save any money if you can.
 
 

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 I no longer MOO due to abuses by certain "whales" in the Gridcoin community - so I now work the Distributed.net project directly again.
 
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/29 14:41:28 (permalink)
QuintLeo
I would also recommend a gold over a bronze, as the efficiency gains there pay off in a reasonable timeframe.
Seasonic G550 is a good choice in that power range, though somewhat overkill for a single-GPU build.
 
 I'm not sure, but I think you need 2 SIMM sticks - might look into a 2 x 2GB ram set instead.
4GB should be plenty for a pure folding rig, 2GB would be for that matter but I dunno if you can find 1GB DDR4 simms or if they would save any money if you can.
 
 




2 x 1gb of DDR4 in a new system in this day and age?

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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/29 14:57:31 (permalink)
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I would also recommend a gold over a bronze, as the efficiency gains there pay off in a reasonable timeframe.
Seasonic G550 is a good choice in that power range, though somewhat overkill for a single-GPU build.
 
 I'm not sure, but I think you need 2 SIMM sticks - might look into a 2 x 2GB ram set instead.
4GB should be plenty for a pure folding rig, 2GB would be for that matter but I dunno if you can find 1GB DDR4 simms or if they would save any money if you can.
 
 




2 x 1gb of DDR4 in a new system in this day and age?


2 gigs of ram will not cut it I am using 2.70 just posting this . That is with 6 apps just Idling . I run win 7 , now with XP you could get away with only 2 gigs . Not sure how much Linux needs .



 
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/29 14:59:12 (permalink)
I would think a 550 PSU is a little small for EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID GAMING, 11G-P4-6598-KR, 11GB GDDR5X, HYBRID & LED, iCX Technology - 9 Thermal Sensors Graphics Card.
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6598-KR

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Based on your Current PSU Antec - Green 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/29 14:59:26 (permalink)
Get 2 Each G.Skill - NT Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory
And Install Windows 10 64 Bit NOT 32Bit
Your Build will limit you to a single function computer that is you can really only Fold on your GPU NOT on your CPU not enough Threads.
You will also not be able to run BOINC CPU tasks very well with the CPU you have picked out.
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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/29 15:20:41 (permalink)
my linux folding rig only uses up to 2.2 GB of its 4 GB while folding on two cards, the only apps installed are F@H and teamviewer.
 
as for that 600W requirement EVGA posts, i think that is very lenient. with high OC you could say 300W max TDP for the GPU and with a 51W cpu a 150W mobo, excessive here for hdd/ssd and such, you still have 49W leeway with a 550W PSU.


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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/29 15:30:11 (permalink)
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my linux folding rig only uses up to 2.2 GB of its 4 GB while folding on two cards, the only apps installed are F@H and teamviewer.
 
as for that 600W requirement EVGA posts, i think that is very lenient. with high OC you could say 300W max TDP for the GPU and with a 51W cpu a 150W mobo, excessive here for hdd/ssd and such, you still have 49W leeway with a 550W PSU.


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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/29 16:34:14 (permalink)
wow those connections got excessively hot! that is what poor contacts will do with DC power, heat up and burn up. can happen to any DC powered device though and not due to simply pulling too much power either, as i doubt you were overloading that corsair power supply. what was this PSU powering, and what did you mean by separate connectors only? 


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Re: Curious Newb... 2017/05/29 16:44:27 (permalink)
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wow those connections got excessively hot! that is what poor contacts will do with DC power, heat up and burn up. can happen to any DC powered device though and not due to simply pulling too much power either, as i doubt you were overloading that corsair power supply. what was this PSU powering, and what did you mean by separate connectors only? 


"and what did you mean by separate connectors only?" ?

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