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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 07:18:24 (permalink)
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I'm also going to point out that I could see the chance of more capital inflows to BTC and altcoins given the general agreement that US equities are overpriced at the moment. It's becoming a lot more risky to own these equities given that they're nearing the historical tipping point (avg Shiller P/E 30 for S&P 500). In the past when equities hit this level in US a downtown follows shortly after. 


yes but for BTC it will be after the fork, if that does happen. this is why i think so many alt coins are hitting record highs right now because BTCs future is suspect for the first time in years.


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 11:04:50 (permalink)
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*You'll have about 31% Taxes due on every $ earned with Coin.  Based on 25% Fed & 6% State - many locations even have City or County income tax - adjust multiplier to match your tax liability - in the year Earned - not year taken.
 
If your not setup as a business, with All required IRS documentations, NONE of your expenses are tax deductible
 
Then the Coin clearing house gets what percentage of your earned Coin - for you to actually get paid ?



i would like to point out that i have no plans on ever withdrawing USD from this and paying income tax on it. from my earned coins i will instead buy stuff directly with BTC from places like Newegg. now if one was to try and make a living off this kind of thing then that isnt such a great idea as you'll be found out eventually as one can not live off BTC alone just yet.
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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 11:15:17 (permalink)
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*You'll have about 31% Taxes due on every $ earned with Coin.  Based on 25% Fed & 6% State - many locations even have City or County income tax - adjust multiplier to match your tax liability - in the year Earned - not year taken.
 
If your not setup as a business, with All required IRS documentations, NONE of your expenses are tax deductible
 
Then the Coin clearing house gets what percentage of your earned Coin - for you to actually get paid ?



i would like to point out that i have no plans on ever withdrawing USD from this and paying income tax on it. from my earned coins i will instead buy stuff directly with BTC from places like Newegg. now if one was to try and make a living off this kind of thing then that isnt such a great idea as you'll be found out eventually as one can not live off BTC alone just yet.

Yes, that is tax fraud man. You pay taxes on income you earn from all sources. When the coins get in your wallet the taxes become due. Not when you cash out from the wallet.


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 11:33:02 (permalink)
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Yes, that is tax fraud man. You pay taxes on income you earn from all sources. When the coins get in your wallet the taxes become due. Not when you cash out from the wallet.



when te US government acknowledges BTC as a form a currency and asks me my btc income i will report it. till then i will not report a wild estimation of some random value that BTC may have been at the time. if they want 30% they can accept 30% of my btc income as btc or none at all.


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 11:48:57 (permalink)
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Yes, that is tax fraud man. You pay taxes on income you earn from all sources. When the coins get in your wallet the taxes become due. Not when you cash out from the wallet.



when te US government acknowledges BTC as a form a currency and asks me my btc income i will report it. till then i will not report a wild estimation of some random value that BTC may have been at the time. if they want 30% they can accept 30% of my btc income as btc or none at all.



 
 

 
 

 
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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 12:11:54 (permalink)
Talk with a CPA, Accountant, or Lawyer that specializes in Taxes
 
Education about these things is important.......... lets remember the TOS in our discussions
 
The notorious Al Capone learned the hard way, the IRS has a lot of power and determination
 
 

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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 12:29:41 (permalink)
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Talk with a CPA, Accountant, or Lawyer that specializes in Taxes
 
Education about these things is important.......... lets remember the TOS in our discussions
 
The notorious Al Capone learned the hard way, the IRS has a lot of power and determination



then i say bring it we need to set the precedent so we know what to do. because in the state of Florida the set precedent that BTC is not a form of money so someone on trial for money laundering was set free, source.


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 12:47:57 (permalink)
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Talk with a CPA, Accountant, or Lawyer that specializes in Taxes
 
Education about these things is important.......... lets remember the TOS in our discussions
 
The notorious Al Capone learned the hard way, the IRS has a lot of power and determination
 
 



Key Issue 18K: Virtual Currency

 Virtual currency, such as the Bitcoin, has been increasing in popularity. Virtual currency may be used to pay for goods or services, or held for investment. Virtual currency is a digital representation of value that functions as a medium of exchange, a unit of account, and/or a store of value. In some environments, it operates like “real” currency, but it does not have legal tender status in any jurisdiction. For federal tax purposes, virtual currency is treated as property (Notice 2014-21). As such, it can be classified as business property, investment property, or personal property. General tax principals applicable to property transactions apply to transactions using virtual currency.
 
Warning: Practitioners should keep in mind that there are numerous unresolved tax issues regarding virtual currency. These include uncertain exchange rates to determine fair market value, the difficulty in tracking basis, appraisals for charitable contribution deductions, whether the costs to mine and acquire virtual currency should be capitalized, and whether retirement accounts are permitted to hold virtual currency. Practitioners should monitor these issues for further developments.

 Basis in virtual currency is the FMV of the currency on the date the currency is received. If received as payment for services, it is considered taxable income and will be subject to both income and social security taxes. Using the virtual currency to obtain cash or purchase goods is a recognizable transaction. If the FMV of property received for the virtual currency exceeds the taxpayer's adjusted basis in the currency, the taxpayer has a taxable gain. A loss will occur if the FMV is less than the taxpayer's basis. The character of the gain or loss depends on whether the virtual currency is a capital asset for that particular taxpayer.

Example 18K-1: Use of virtual currency for investments.
 
Caution: The IRS has not provided guidance on whether the Bitcoin is a security and thus subject to the dealer rules of IRC Sec. 475, the wash sale rules, and the like-kind exchange rules.
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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 12:50:11 (permalink)
As far as I know, there are no earnings reports that are sent to the IRS correct?
 
I'm not sure how they would know how much BTC you have made.

 
 

 
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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 12:59:50 (permalink)
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As far as I know, there are no earnings reports that are sent to the IRS correct?
 
I'm not sure how they would know how much BTC you have made.



that says coins received for service is taxable. so simply exchanging the currency, CURE to BTC, isnt taxable. you will be taxed on the value of CURE at the time you receive CURE for your work, Folding. meaning if you folded and earned 100 CURE yesterday then you will be taxed on that 100 CURE @ $0.050682. so you'll have income of $5.0682 that is taxable. but if you then exchange that 100 CURE for $20 worth of BTC next month that is not taxable.
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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 14:29:56 (permalink)
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WORDS



I'm here because the comradery, actually. There isn't much of a community at all for Foldingcoin or Curecoin other than the Slack channels. 
 
As far as the cost/profit goes, I actually have a 501(C)(3) pending for my F@H . I've incorporated with the state and my public charity has been approved. Now I'm just waiting on the IRS to approve my tax status. My grandfather has been fighting Alzheimer's for 5 years now and his wife died of Parkinson's in 2000. Parkinsons runs in my family and it's something I'm more than likely going to get. This project is much more than mining a cryptocurrency, it's actually very personal, and I want to scale it. I'm hoping to build a self-sustaining extremely efficient non-profit that can dedicate most of its resources to F@H. 
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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 14:45:58 (permalink)
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I'm here because the comradery, actually. There isn't much of a community at all for Foldingcoin or Curecoin other than the Slack channels. 
 
As far as the cost/profit goes, I actually have a 501(C)(3) pending for my F@H. I've incorporated with the state and my public charity has been approved. Now I'm just waiting on the IRS to approve my tax status. My grandfather has been fighting Alzheimer's for 5 years now and his wife died of Parkinson's in 2000. Parkinsons runs in my family and it's something I'm more than likely going to get. This project is much more than mining a cryptocurrency, it's actually very personal, and I want to scale it. I'm hoping to build a self-sustaining extremely efficient non-profit that can dedicate most of its resources to F@H. 

 
eyup, that's the way to do it. non-profit that rolls over any income to operational costs and more hardware for more research.


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 14:54:57 (permalink)
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I'm here because the comradery, actually. There isn't much of a community at all for Foldingcoin or Curecoin other than the Slack channels. 
 
As far as the cost/profit goes, I actually have a 501(C)(3) pending for my F@H . I've incorporated with the state and my public charity has been approved. Now I'm just waiting on the IRS to approve my tax status. My grandfather has been fighting Alzheimer's for 5 years now and his wife died of Parkinson's in 2000. Parkinsons runs in my family and it's something I'm more than likely going to get. This project is much more than mining a cryptocurrency, it's actually very personal, and I want to scale it. I'm hoping to build a self-sustaining extremely efficient non-profit that can dedicate most of its resources to F@H. 

 
eyup, that's the way to do it. non-profit that rolls over any income to operational costs and more hardware for more research.




Bingo

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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 15:19:00 (permalink)
I don't fold for money, I fold so I don't have to lose another friend like wrinvert!!!



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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 16:01:54 (permalink)
I also fold in memory of loved ones and to help family members that face life threatening illness.

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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 16:27:19 (permalink)
Just got this in the mail.
 



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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 16:48:40 (permalink)
501 (c) (3)
 
start grant writing - build your folding power

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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/24 16:52:50 (permalink)
I figured out their plan for 14mo takeover   ......very sly I tell ya!!!
 

 
 
They stole my points!!! They were nice enough to leave ~4 million though.
 
JK, nice concept though with a not for profit.
 
 
 
 

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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/25 08:32:46 (permalink)
Cool GTX
 
 
As it all befits F@H everyone Wins 
 





That dark blue line on the graph needs more work

  


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/25 08:36:20 (permalink)
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Cool GTX
 
 
As it all befits F@H everyone Wins 
 





That dark blue line on the graph needs more work




So, what's your draw to team OCP?


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/25 15:27:52 (permalink)
I've been folding with them for years, I started when they had over 1,000 active folders pumping out a combined 4m PPD.  Sadly we are not the team we once were, but that's a whole different story. 

  


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/25 15:46:22 (permalink)
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I've been folding with them for years, I started when they had over 1,000 active folders pumping out a combined 4m PPD.  Sadly we are not the team we once were, but that's a whole different story. 




It's insane to see how the progression of technology has completely changed PPD output. Nowadays you could build a single system that produces roughly 5M PPD for less than $3,500. 


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/25 17:19:41 (permalink)
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It's insane to see how the progression of technology has completely changed PPD output. Nowadays you could build a single system that produces roughly 5M PPD for less than $3,500. 




Please share your concept build, those numbers look very tempting

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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/26 02:12:24 (permalink)
Mine would be a Z9PE or Z10PE d8, a pair of cheap xeons, 32gb of Ram, cheap HDD, zorin 9 OS and 4 1080ti's - that's 5m PPD but I don't see it for $3500, you could go x99 but you might not have enough PCie lanes to drive all 4 at x16.

  


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/26 11:31:27 (permalink)
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Please share your concept build, those numbers look very tempting





+ 4x1080Ti @ $710 each comes to about $3800. I was able to find an open box X99 at my local Microcenter for ~$130 and a compatible CPU for $320. That's a little closer to $3500 but not quite. Build it out, put it on a mining rack, and you're good to go!


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/26 11:51:43 (permalink)
Interesting build.  Not so sure you will see 5 M PPD on air more likely 4 M PPD - or your AC is working seriously hard in that room
 
You run Linux for your OS ?
 
Still a nice build, thanks for sharing
 
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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/26 13:03:03 (permalink)
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Interesting build.  Not so sure you will see 5 M PPD on air more likely 4 M PPD - or your AC is working seriously hard in that room
 
You run Linux for your OS ?
 
Still a nice build, thanks for sharing
 
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"Nearest Micro Center +100 miles; they usually have the best CPU price & combo deals - for walk-in Only " I may have to do this now.

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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/26 13:08:16 (permalink)
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Interesting build.  Not so sure you will see 5 M PPD on air more likely 4 M PPD - or your AC is working seriously hard in that room
 
You run Linux for your OS ?
 
Still a nice build, thanks for sharing
 
Nearest Micro Center +100 miles; they usually have the best CPU price & combo deals - for walk-in Only




I was getting 1.2M + on air with my FE, so I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that third-party models would do marginally better. My 1070 Strix run 68-74 (w/ +100MHz Core/Mem OC) with the ambient temp of 77. I run Win10, though I'm thinking about moving one of my other systems to linux. I'm in Colorado and it's pretty dry here, so I'm okay with the 77F ambient temp my systems produce. It drops down to mid 40s at night here, so I usually just open up the windows instead of using A/C.


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/26 15:31:29 (permalink)
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Mine would be a Z9PE or Z10PE d8, a pair of cheap xeons, 32gb of Ram, cheap HDD, zorin 9 OS and 4 1080ti's - that's 5m PPD but I don't see it for $3500, you could go x99 but you might not have enough PCie lanes to drive all 4 at x16.




x99 caps out at 5 GPU's being pcie 3.0 x8 on all 5. it'll be just like my rig but good luck finding a board that will space the slots enough so you do not need to go to water.


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Re: We'll catch you soon enough. 2017/03/26 15:42:30 (permalink)
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x99 caps out at 5 GPU's being pcie 3.0 x8 on all 5. it'll be just like my rig but good luck finding a board that will space the slots enough so you do not need to go to water.


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