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Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter | TechRadar
 
When the GeForce RTX 3060 was launched on February 25, Nvidia announced that the mining efficiency of the graphics card was deliberately being reduced by around 50% in a bid to get more of the GPUs directly to gamers. However, this limitation appears to have been quickly bypassed by Chinese cryptocurrency miners using customized mods. Nvidia’s latest generation of graphics cards, including the RTX 3080, RTX 3090 and RTX 3070, have been extremely difficult to buy since their launch late last year due to low stock production, bots buying up inventory for scalping and cryptocurrency miners bulk buying the GPUs to use for mining cryptocurrencies.
 
There was already concern brewing about how well the limiter would stand against savvy miners, but Nvidia has been vocally confident in the hash rate limit. A statement was given to PC Gamer regarding how difficult it would be to get around the protections placed on the GPUs, claiming "End users cannot remove the hash limiter from the driver. There is a secure handshake between the driver, the RTX 3060 silicon, and the BIOS (firmware) that prevents removal of the hash rate limiter."
 
The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 can deliver around 40-45 MH/s for standard performance but this dropped down to 20-25 MH/s if the GPU detected mining-related activity, providing the limiter is in place.

A picture spotted by I_Leak_VN reveals a Chinese mod developed to help miners unlock the full hash potential of the GeForce RTX 3060 graphics card, with the image showing the Geforce RTX 3060 delivering 45 MH/s in Ethereum. The hash-rate limiter mod has also been separately confirmed to work by a Vietnamese Facebook group, apparently even capable of outputting 50 MH/s. If the above proves true, this could be bad for the gaming community as miners can expect the same hash output as GPUs such as the RTX 3060 Ti and close to the RTX 3070 using the cheaper RTX 3060, but with a significantly lower power requirement.

There is still some hope that miners will opt for Nvidia's upcoming Cryptocurrency Mining Processor (CMP), as this will help them have better cooling solutions, and they’ll have lower running costs due to a lower peak core voltage and frequency.

The entire situation felt much like calling the Titanic the 'Unsinkable Ship', and hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don't currently know the release date for the CMPs, or how often fresh stock will be released for the GeForce RTX 3000 series graphics cards, but until something changes we're likely to continue seeing gamers losing hardware to mining farms during this ongoing cryptocurrency boom.
 
Well that didn't take long to crack. Faster than I thought. 

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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/10 10:41:38 (permalink)
    Lol, NVIDIA were seriously poking the beehive with their hubristic comments that the 3060 mining limiter was unbeatable.


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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/10 10:51:32 (permalink)
    I mean, who didn't see this coming? 

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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/10 11:14:34 (permalink)
    What took them so long?



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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/10 11:36:16 (permalink)
    Somebody I know on twitter in vietnam sent me a DM over that I noticed this AM
     
    no link to the fixed driver or card BIOS however
     
     

      


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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/10 11:37:12 (permalink)
    WHY would it matter ? - Remember the Nvidia board member who said in the latest meeting that she didn't believe bitcoin miners were the reason for the card shortages...? 
    ...but yet they specifically target that market with gimped performance...? 
     
    They really need to make up their mind as to what excuse to use from week to week...

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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/10 11:38:20 (permalink)
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    WHY would it matter ? - Remember the Nvidia board member who said in the latest meeting that she didn't believe bitcoin miners were the reason for the card shortages...? 
    ...but yet they specifically target that market with gimped performance...? 
     
    They really need to make up their mind as to what excuse to use from week to week...




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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/10 11:53:15 (permalink)
    It's good for NVIDIA that the hash rate limit was hacked so quick.  Otherwise everybody would have one less scapegoat for why the cards are not in stock.
    Plus, purposely disabling features for the purpose of product segmentation is never a good thing for the buyer.

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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/10 12:29:29 (permalink)
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    It's good for NVIDIA that the hash rate limit was hacked so quick.  Otherwise everybody would have one less scapegoat for why the cards are not in stock.
    Plus, purposely disabling features for the purpose of product segmentation is never a good thing for the buyer.


     Like it has been done before in differing ways, on different products. I don't understand the decision to try to implement the limit on performance. 
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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/10 13:13:40 (permalink)
    I mean they also cracked the arbitrary encode limit on geforce cards that they try to reserve for quadros; why would this be any different?



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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/10 13:57:45 (permalink)
    Looks like the demise of the mining limiter was a bit premature.
     
    https://youtu.be/pI8YlbfCFfA
     



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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/10 14:14:26 (permalink)
    covered better here
     
    https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-rtx-3060-hashrate-restriction-bypassed-by-miners.html
     
    Vietnamese Facebook group has also indicated that a modded driver exists which allows the RTX 3060 card to achieve a hashrate of ~50 MH/s.
     
    Update: I need to make a side note here. As it turns out NVIDIA's protection specifically is aimed at Ethereum, it is very possible that we're simply looking at another cryptocurrency there, which could/would fall outside the protection. 
     
    Update 2: The crypto being mined likely is Conflux / Octopus, and not Etherium. The Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060's Etherium mining capacity still would sit around 25MH/s. 


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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/10 18:21:35 (permalink)
    All rhetoric aside this is no more or less than supply side economics. Supply low + high demand = higher prices. The only loser here is the consumer. There is nothing new here in terms of demand from mainstream to mining. You have to know they would have planned for it and wonder if it's on purpose.

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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/15 05:04:25 (permalink)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Hash Rate Limiter Bypassed, No Driver or BIOS Mod Required – Delivers Around 50 MH/s In Ethereum Cryptocurrency Mining
     
    It looks like our previous report did end up being true as Chinese hackers have now hacked in and bypassed the hash rate limiter set by NVIDIA for its GeForce RTX 3060 graphics card. As confirmed by PC Watch, their editors have confirmed that the hash rate limit bypass is indeed working on the GeForce RTX 3060 graphics card.
     

    NVIDIA's Hash Rate Limiter Bypassed For Cryptocurrency Mining Including Ethereum, GeForce RTX 3060 Delivers 50 MH/s

    According to the news outlet, no driver or BIOS modifications are required to bypass the hash rate limit and the process is actually very simple. The news outlet hasn't provided more information on this but we believe that they have avoided doing so for good reason. But knowing the tech industry and how fast things circulate here, the whole procedure would end up on various crypto forums & blogs in the coming days.
     
    As a confirmation, the news outlet has posted a picture of the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 mining Ethereum cryptocurrency using the Daggerhashimoto algorithm (T-REX) and delivering a total of around 50 MH/s. A single GPU was used which had an average power consumption of 110 Watt with fans set to 70% and the temperatures averaging around 33C (Degrees). The ETH Cryptomining algorithm was left running for 8 minutes which confirms that the limit has indeed been bypassed as earlier rumors only had the GPU running for less than 5 minutes which isn't enough time for the hash rate limiter to kick in.
     
    Other users are also posting their own NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ethereum mining results which have been kept on running for hours.RTX 3060 is not hashrate restricted on ETHASH with developer driver 470.05.
     
    In my rig right now driver version 470.05 does very well in a "game" called T-REX (Crypto coin mining client) bypassing the lock on RTX 3060 and achieving 46 MH/s on ETHASH.
    I will monitor to see if this holds...
     
    UPDATE: Still at 46 MH/s after 6 hours.
    UPDATE: Screenshot added below. I can tune the card to get around 50 MH/s. (Power 127W, Core +50, Memory +1500)
    EDIT: For clarity: Mining ETH crypto coin. Added GPU-Z Validation with BIOS and Driver details. Uploaded BIOS to TechPowerUp and added download link.
    Below links at OWN RISK!!!
    BIOS: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/230915/230915
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    The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 launched last month and while it was available in slightly better quantities than the rest of the RTX 30 series lineup, this news won't be good for a long-standing supply of the graphics card. Once again, this will result in an imminent shortage of the only mainstream GeForce RTX 30 series gaming graphics card in the market and several people are reporting that they are expecting a large hike in prices given the demand for the RTX 3060 graphics card after this mod rolls out in public.
     
    https://wccftech.com/nvid...ked-rtx-3060-ethereum/
     
     
     
     
     


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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/15 08:59:48 (permalink)

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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/15 10:09:30 (permalink)
    almost lasted a week before Nvidia turned off it's own encryption..? ...
    Wow, that really put a dent in those crypto miners....
     
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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/15 10:52:18 (permalink)


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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/15 11:15:32 (permalink)
    Is this what game developer do? sell code to highest bidder? to keep servers full?  

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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/15 11:45:11 (permalink)
    it useless as far as i can see
     
    Pheonix miner is coming out with changes to software thwart existing drivers anyways
     
    if i was the mining software co i would bring the algorithm closer to something from crunching or folding
    that way if nvidia gimps it.... it gimps the scientific community from doing work
     
    furthermore there are some scientific apps that might be hampered already by the gimp
    as well you may gimp future scientific applications from running fully
    it will also hurt encryption applications - they use SHA256 predominately
    Ethereum uses ECDSA (Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm) for it's public-key cryptography. This is the same as bitcoin
     
    all the gimp does is hurt the scientific community in total
     
     
    Im with linus it was a fools move in the first place
    between creating e-trash and risking a class action suit by users that want to use the way the card was designed for 
    both Gaming and Number crunching/scientific work (and mining is that and so is physx/folding/crunching/encryption/etc)
     
    gimping one section will only make people made that you are taking away a feature - or reducing its ability to do work... in bold defiance of what the card was intended for ...BOTH
     
    all Nvidia is doing is risking a class action lawsuit for it anyways.... also a fraud charge for advertising its ability as a compute card while gimping the compute
    just imagine you bought the card to do video compression - and Nvidia changes the rules and gimps that because media companies are buying up all the ampere - class action suit - i can see it
    same goes if it impacts the scientific community in any way
     
    STUPID you ask me
     
    solution like i said make a better mining card than the existing ampere line - take out the stuff you don't need like RTX cores, tensor cores, apply a bigger bus like 512+ and faster ram
    you don't need clock speed so much(ie lower clocks to help keep cool) - you need memory bandwidth(faster- wider bus) - and cool the ram with a WC block - leave the video inputs(limited) - limit to 1080o 60fps that way gamers really won't want it 
    that way they have a resale to low end gamers after they are no longer used for mining
     
    IE a specialized Mining GPU - its a better idea than using old turing cores - but hey if your gonna use them - make a bigger bus with faster ram with them - downclock the gpu and upclock the ram and cool it properly
    make sure it mines better than Ampere
     
    and with future chips ...do the same - offer ampere with upgrades ram speed and bus - while ada is used for gaming
    the upgraded ampere will offer higher hash rate over previous ampere and will beat ada's hash rate 
     
    thats how you do it
     
    that way you can use a old fab process (for the mining cards) and the new process for gamers
     
    there will still be people that will get the newest chip to both game and mine on - you can't stop that
    it's like trying to stop people from gaming and folding/crunching on new cards
     
    good luck with that
     
    remember miners want the higher hash rate and if you can offer it cheaper than the gaming line
    it a biz and it's about ROI and how fast you can pay the hardware off - so cheaper and mine faster is better with less power consumption(because that impacts ROI)
     
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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/16 09:56:06 (permalink)
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    all Nvidia is doing is risking a class action lawsuit for it anyways.... also a fraud charge for advertising its ability as a compute card while gimping the compute
    just imagine you bought the card to do video compression - and Nvidia changes the rules and gimps that because media companies are buying up all the ampere - class action suit - i can see it
    same goes if it impacts the scientific community in any way
     
    STUPID you ask me
     

     
    Just a thought but if gimping the hash rate was intended to increase sales by making miners purchase more GPUs?

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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/16 10:52:09 (permalink)

    NVIDIA confirms the ETH limiter on RTX 3060 was removed accidentally

    A day after the news broke that RTX 3060 mining limiter has been removed, the company responsible for this situation has released a short statement. This company is NVIDIA. 
     
    After initial reports that the Ethereum hash rate limiter on GeForce RTX 3060 mid-range *gaming* graphics card has been bypassed, NVIDIA has finally confirmed that the driver responsible for this situation was released inadvertently. NVIDIA has since removed the driver, but the damage has already been done.
    It was discovered that GeForce 470.05 driver that was released only to software developers who are enrolled in the NVIDIA program, actually removed the hash rate limiter that NVIDIA was eager to announce as a cure for the GPU mining craze. This software was never publically available, but miners and enthusiasts were quick to notice that the mining limiter does not work with this particular driver. NVIDIA today confirmed that this was an internal development driver that had hash rate limiter disabled in some configurations:
    A developer driver inadvertently included code used for internal development which removes the hash rate limiter on RTX 3060 in some configurations.
    The driver has been removed.
    — NVIDIA
    As noted in the statement, the driver does not work for all graphics cards. It also does not work for graphics cards that do not have a display connector attached to a monitor or if the graphics card is used with a riser. Multiple-GPU configurations are possible but only when cards are inserted into the motherboard slots and have dummy monitor plugs.
    According to people familiar with the matter, the driver works for ASUS, Palit, EVGA, GALAX, Gigabyte, and MSI cards. Some people encounter problems with ZOTAC and Inno3D graphics cards though.
     
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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/16 14:30:04 (permalink)
    Brand New Cryptocurrency Mining Rig Features 10 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090s In A Custom Loop
     

     
     
    Most of the cryptocurrency mining systems are quite crude, to be honest, but as of late we are seeing more and more systems have more style. Just 3 days ago, we saw an entire rig submerged in mineral oil as a cooling solution. Even before that, we saw an arrangement of 78 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 all lit with RGB. Also 3 days ago, we saw the build in the progress of being built and thanks to Gland Computers, we have the fully built mining rig.

    If Using 10 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090s Isn't Extreme, This Mining Rig Has A Hardline Tubing Custom Loop

    If we are speaking in terms of mining operations, they are good at mining Ethereum as well as getting impressions of social media whether it's displaying the boxes of GPUs or the system running. Is there a point in running exotic cooling on a mining farm? Absolutely not, it's more costly to run a multi GPU custom loop than it is to cool the area around the system, but it sure does look cool. The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 cryptocurrency mining system uses Bitspower components for the custom loop as well as hardline tubing. Even the cables are custom white cables.
     
    This mining system serves as a showpiece and was seen under construction 3 days ago. Now. that it's fully built, it features 10 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 GPUs each one assigned to its own 240mm radiator. While most mining operations undervolt cards to preserve them, this operation can overclock the cards with this cooling solution. To get enough power, the system has three Super Flower Leadex Titanium 1600W PSUs. All of this is on the B360-F PRO mining motherboard.
    As for the return on investment, I'm not sure if the overclocking abilities outweigh the cost of all of the components for the custom loop which are quite expensive. I don't believe the overclocking outweighs the custom loop problem. All that aside it looks extremely cool and all 10 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090s combine for a mining power of around 1000 MH/s, potentially higher with an overclock.
     
    https://wccftech.com/bran...idia-geforce-rtx-3090/
     


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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/03/20 04:57:29 (permalink)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Cryptocurrency Mining Limit Bypassed Using Dummy HDMI, Fools The GPU/Driver Handshake Easily
     
     
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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/04/05 08:54:09 (permalink)
    Hello could you please contact my on discord (add Croissant#3333) or email  I've made an account just for you and I'll need your help according to your monitor. please contact me asap
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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/04/30 22:43:54 (permalink)
    Crazy times in which we are living...


     
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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/05/01 01:01:05 (permalink)
    Now time for round 2 on the 3060 mining limiter. Now complete with new PCIE-ID silicon

    12G-P5-3967-KR6/3/2021 7:30:26 AM PT No
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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/05/01 10:11:35 (permalink)
    Life finds a way. Unless they implement some how a way to change the hardware to limit the mining ability they will always crack the code.

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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/05/01 12:28:57 (permalink)
    TexAg12
    Life finds a way. Unless they implement some how a way to change the hardware to limit the mining ability they will always crack the code.

    Yes it does...


     
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    Re: Cryptominers have already cracked Nvidia's RTX 3060 hash rate limiter 2021/05/02 12:10:57 (permalink)
    We'll see if their new method works:
     
    https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-cryptocurrency-mining-hash-rate-limit-gpu-shipping-mid-may/
     
    Starting mid-May, 3060 cards will require this new driver. I have to imagine the smart folks in the mining community will find a way around this, but we'll see!
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