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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/09 22:55:24
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ok, ok. Just answer me this. Do you have windows on a system ? if so post those if you would.
lets see how the two stack up ..for you . im not one for changing to another operating system.
but id love to see how the two really stack up .. so if you would be so kind as to put up one for linux and one for windows.
just to see how you are doing with each.
please thank you and blessings ..
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/10 22:14:51
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nice 8 mill a day. WOW .. wish i could get that .
Say you be a nice guy and send me one of them there 2080TI would ya .. LOL
Nice job brother .. Blessings
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/10 22:17:14
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heres is what im taggin on a day .. ok my photos are not wanting to upload ..
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/10 22:29:35
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so ill do it the old fashion way..
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/11 02:08:47
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Cool GTX
This is just a snap shot ... EVGA 2080 Ti XC Ultra ... running Win 10 Pro 1809 ... on Air Cooler
WU 11738 .... Est PPD ---> 4,376,379 on that one Card 
Some of these *38, / *39 batches get my RTX up to 86C (up from 55C normal). I'm preferring lower points with lower heat, over higher points with thermal throttling. Even at 100% fan speeds (3FAN) and a power cap to 230W, the 2080Ti gets that hot. Only one. The others are running much cooler.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 07:48:23
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Core 22 stuff should not be for the average end user.
At least not on a 2080 or 2080 Super or higher.
Even on an open bench, running stock with fanspeeds set to max (on a 3 fan design) the GPU will hit thermal throttling.
The only way to avoid this, is lower power consumption to a mere 200-220Watts, at which a 2080 Ti will run between 3M and 3.6M PPD.
For these more powerful GPUs, you'll need alternative cooling solutions, like water-cooling, or elevating the GPUs from the motherboard through riser extension cables.
At 225Watts, most open GPUs will suck back in the hot air they've exhausted on the bottom (motherboard side), which causes a decrease in cooling capability, making the GPU run hotter, causing even hotter air to be exited, and cooling efficiency to decrease even more.
As a result, 55-65C GPU temperatures, can easily surpass 85C by just adding a few more Watts.
I myself only plug a GPU in the center slot.
All others will need pcie 16x riser cables, to either elevate them, or lay them down horizontally for better cooling.
Doing this, I'm easily able to increase power consumption to 225-245Watt per GPU (most 2080Tis are rated up to 280 or 300Watts).
I also apply an overclock that's between 5 and 25mhz lower than on core 21.
Any higher power consumption is useless, as the GPU is already running in the high 1900 to low 2000Mhz, and PPD rating went up to 3.6-4.4M PPD (mostly 4-4.1M PPD).
Core 22 allowed me to get higher PPD scores, at lower power consumption, and with way lower hardware requirements.
My 1450W outlet is now feeding only 5GPUs, down from 8 to 9 GPUs on core 21.
While PPD is up, mostly qrb (quick return bonus), actual work performed per timeframe is down (less WUs per day).
But that's up to pandelabs, for assigning such ridiculous quick return bonuses, leaving CPU users completely out of a chance to compete.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 07:56:18
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"The Bonus" has not been changed ... same as it has been for some time now
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 08:59:15
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Core 22 stuff should not be for the average end user.
At least not on a 2080 or 2080 Super or higher.
im sorry, but i think someone is wrong with there comment. only reason i think that is because im running a 1070FTW and doing core 22 stuff . and no matter if its 0x21 or 0x22 my temps never go above 74c. and im running in a case not a open bench. i have no issue`s whats so ever.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 09:06:58
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"The Bonus" has not been changed ... same as it has been for some time now
It hasn't indeed. And the flaw lies in a predetermined code or algorithm, that no longer works properly. A person will need to invest in a massive supercomputer (one with at least 500-1000cpu cores, to compete with an RTX2080 Ti, in terms of PPD, yet he would have done nearly 3x the amount of work. Like I said, the qrb algorithm worked in a day and age where single, dual and quadcore CPUs were the norm to fold on. But with modern GPUs, the erroneous algorithm becomes very apparent. Whomever decided this qrb algorithm, decided to scale it linearly, while it should look more logarithmic.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 09:10:48
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ProDigit
Core 22 stuff should not be for the average end user.
At least not on a 2080 or 2080 Super or higher.
im sorry, but i think someone is wrong with there comment.
only reason i think that is because im running a 1070FTW and doing core 22 stuff .
and no matter if its 0x21 or 0x22 my temps never go above 74c.
and im running in a case not a open bench.
i have no issue`s whats so ever.
The 1070Ti is only rated for up to 180Watts, and would not fall in this category. Also, it's much slower than a 2080 (about 25% according to benchmarks). And 74c proves, if you add 20 more Watts, you'll be hitting thermal throttling (80-85c, not sure where the threshold lies for GTX GPUs).
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 09:30:49
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Cool GTX
"The Bonus" has not been changed ... same as it has been for some time now
It hasn't indeed. And the flaw lies in a predetermined code or algorithm, that no longer works properly.
A person will need to invest in a massive supercomputer (one with at least 500-1000cpu cores, to compete with an RTX2080 Ti, in terms of PPD, yet he would have done nearly 3x the amount of work.
Like I said, the qrb algorithm worked in a day and age where single, dual and quadcore CPUs were the norm to fold on.
But with modern GPUs, the erroneous algorithm becomes very apparent.
Whomever decided this qrb algorithm, decided to scale it linearly, while it should look more logarithmic.
Core 21 & Core 22 -- Are by Design -- for the GPU CPU Folding is all but dead ..... Watts/ PPD is horrible. So, unless your using someone else's servers & electric - I'm not sure why someone would bother CPU folding - If your after PPD
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 09:42:45
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ProDigit
Cool GTX
"The Bonus" has not been changed ... same as it has been for some time now
It hasn't indeed. And the flaw lies in a predetermined code or algorithm, that no longer works properly.
A person will need to invest in a massive supercomputer (one with at least 500-1000cpu cores, to compete with an RTX2080 Ti, in terms of PPD, yet he would have done nearly 3x the amount of work.
Like I said, the qrb algorithm worked in a day and age where single, dual and quadcore CPUs were the norm to fold on.
But with modern GPUs, the erroneous algorithm becomes very apparent.
Whomever decided this qrb algorithm, decided to scale it linearly, while it should look more logarithmic.
Core 21 & Core 22 -- Are by Design -- for the GPU
CPU Folding is all but dead ..... Watts/ PPD is horrible.
So, unless your using someone else's servers & electric - I'm not sure why someone would bother CPU folding - If your after PPD
Yeah. I guess for compatibility. Some things (like double precision) aren't supported by a lot of GPUs, though lately most GPUs can do double precision, but with a large performance penalty compared to single precision crunching. Even ARM media players have a much better performance per watt compared to x86 CPUs (mostly for boinc). I still believe that there are specific scenarios where some projects rely on certain CPU features currently not found in GPUs. I'd also like to see if avx512 will improve performance/watt on CPUs for crunching. Probably not equaling a GPU, but perhaps close the gap somewhat between the two.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 11:35:48
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My 9900X does ok burning through cpu work units at 4.8Ghz. But I've never seen particularly high temps with a proper fan profile when I ran air cooled.
Now my main rig runs a 420mmx60mm radiator and a 480mmx60mm radiator for 2 cards and a cpu. Down to 1 card as I once again murdered a card folding (2080ti this time).
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 12:35:04
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I am running core 22 on 2 2080TI in closed case just fine. And have 2 1080TI in other closed case running core 22 just fine. Fans at 80%
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 13:54:11
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ipkha
My 9900X does ok burning through cpu work units at 4.8Ghz. But I've never seen particularly high temps with a proper fan profile when I ran air cooled.
Now my main rig runs a 420mmx60mm radiator and a 480mmx60mm radiator for 2 cards and a cpu. Down to 1 card as I once again murdered a card folding (2080ti this time).
That sux!!!! Salute for the card.. 
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 13:56:22
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heck my 1070FTW runs on air and has been for the last year. and my fans are stock curve ,, i have not seen my temp get above 75 on my card. and with little over clock on it.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 16:17:25
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I always salute the cards. Then I send them to the RMA department. I've sent 4 or 5 back so far.
These core 22 units are quite quick. They must really be splitting the workload well. That's like the cuda 92/100 seti version performance. Get the work distributed over a few thousand cores and it's all good.
This is why GPUs get the massive point boost. They are that much more powerful than the CPUs of today. Especially for relatively simple calculations repeated over time. I bet they got the calculation loop small enough to fit into the SM cache. Then just iterate that over the data and you get good gains. The 20 series cards also have a definitive advance with the dual execution units (integer/fp) that must help a lot in this case otherwise we wouldn't see such high utilization.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 19:04:12
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I am running core 22 on 2 2080TI in closed case just fine. And have 2 1080TI in other closed case running core 22 just fine. Fans at 80%
What are your watts and temps? If my open bench system runs them at 85C, when the GPU uses more than 200-220W (225W in some cases) with 100% fan; but runs them at <65C at 215-220W; then I must assume that a system with a case will run a lot hotter. Perhaps the lower PPD you're seeing on your 2080 Tis (below 4M PPD), is being affected by the higher temperatures of your GPU (since the Nvidia drivers will dial down on the GPU frequency a lot when you get closer to ~83C throttling temperatures)
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 22:11:49
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What are your watts and temps?
If my open bench system runs them at 85C, when the GPU uses more than 200-220W (225W in some cases Instances ) with 100% fan; but runs them at <65C at 215-220W; then I must assume that a system with a case will run a lot hotter.
Perhaps the lower PPD you're seeing on your 2080 Tis (below 4M PPD), is being affected by the higher temperatures of your GPU (since the Nvidia drivers will dial down on the GPU frequency a lot when you get closer to ~83C throttling temperatures)
Sorry, had to make that correction as in any case, cases can run hot without enough case fans in case you were curious  Proper placements of fans in a case make it a wind tunnel to remove the heat. If you have 4 65cfm fans blowing into a case and the same blowing out you will have nearly 87 air exchanges per minute in a case that is 3 cubic foot. (I am extremely tired and suck at math when I am tired lol). Anyway, it is hard to get that air over a card when set up open air even with a big box fan. If you had 2 box fans, 1 pointing at the rig and another pointing away, you'd be close. Now, if you put a big piece of ductwork between the fans you'd get there. But yer rig would be in a big 'ol piece of duct and that's just plain ugly. That is where cases come in. They are more than a box.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/13 22:30:47
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In my open case, I have a 50W, 20” fan with about 1000cfm, cooling 2 motherboards. No duct work though.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/14 01:25:10
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FTW3 is at 66C and XC Ultra at 65C. Sometimes the FTW3 has went to 70C but no higher. Total system power draw is running a high of 846 watts.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/14 05:11:31
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scott@bjorn3d
I am running core 22 on 2 2080TI in closed case just fine. And have 2 1080TI in other closed case running core 22 just fine. Fans at 80%
What are your watts and temps?
If my open bench system runs them at 85C, when the GPU uses more than 200-220W (225W in some cases) with 100% fan; but runs them at <65C at 215-220W; then I must assume that a system with a case will run a lot hotter.
Perhaps the lower PPD you're seeing on your 2080 Tis (below 4M PPD), is being affected by the higher temperatures of your GPU (since the Nvidia drivers will dial down on the GPU frequency a lot when you get closer to ~83C throttling temperatures)
Nvidia Boost 4.0 on My 2080Ti (s) starts lowering the Mhz around 40 C Open bench @ 85 C  does not compute .... How Hot is your Room ?
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/14 05:23:23
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Are all your computers in the same room? Even in a small no airflow room I don't get temps that high. I'd seriously check the thermal paste and pads if you're consistently getting such high temps. Maybe make sure all the fans are running properly. Blow out the heatsinks and such.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/14 07:00:52
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Out in open air, currently between 75-81F ambient. I tend to believe it's only one GPU, but the other ones are the same. The top slot was the worst, due to it having less than 0.5" of cooling space between itself and the next GPU. My EVGA dual fan 2080Ti (middle slot) gets 65-69F at 220W, and hits thermal throttle temps between 225-230W. It is a dual slot GPU, so it has 0.5 inch more space till the next GPU.. Most other GPUs (the one in the bottom slot) reaches 85c at 235W. Once I move them away with a pcie riser cable, they hit 65C at around 250W, well above it's efficiency peak, as boost clock speeds are nearing their max values (with an oc).
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/14 10:01:48
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Well I would never run more than 2 GPU's per box, but that is me. I feel it is just asking for trouble. This is on Folding not talking Bitcoin stuff.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/14 11:10:20
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It makes more sense if they are right up next to each other. Better thermal paste might help. These core 22 seem to give about 220k or more while core 22 was 120k ish. On a single 2080ti. No overclocking the GPU on xubuntu. Do have the cpu up at 4.8 to 5ghz.
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/22 15:48:33
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Whats the best driver to use for Core 22? I'm running a 1080ti ftw3
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
2020/01/22 20:15:19
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My 2070 Super gets 30-45% higher PPD on core 22 projects compared to core 21. My system is air cooled running Windows 10, and my cards are run at stock voltages, frequencies and fan speed. I've stayed away from these projects in the past because of server stability problems but will give them another go now to see if I experience any problems...fingers crossed...
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Re: Core 22 Stuff
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GPU Core 22 v0.0.2 is now released to FAH, see Folding Forum Announcement: GPU CORE22 0.0.2 coming to FAH
by rafwiewiora » Fri Jan 31, 2020
For the first time, presenting core22 to the full F@h! Failure rate in ADVANCED was slightly lower than what we see with core21, so this hopefully should be a smooth testing. I will be releasing small batches of test WUs and analyzing failures live, before I open it up full time.
The deadline and credit were adjusted to increase the PPDs by the performance speedup / increase in science produced (speedup is ~20% on 1080/1080Ti benchmark machine). Please watch out for temperature and wattage increases, and consider reducing OC.
Project stats:
11737 (DHFR benchmark)
core: Core22 0.0.2
# atoms: 23558
credit: 7498
k-factor: 0.75
timeout: 5.8d
deadline: 8.2d
precision: mixed
Also two other Core 22 Projects are released to Advanced: Project 11738 and Project 11739
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