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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/25 20:59:19 (permalink)
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You're at a 23C delta with a particularly heavy load game, but not honking down ton of power otherwise your core temp would be much higher.  For a typical 70C at 400w, 80C-90C vram junction would be expected, hence the 10C-20C delta I cited.

 
70C on the GPU sounds high like you don't have enough airflow around the card. My zotac 3080 didn't get that hot and it only pulled 372 watts according to after burner in game.




Heh.  You're the only one I've ever heard say that.  This is with a 3080 Ti or 3090 FTW3 Ultra at over 400w average sustained in 4K120 VRR gaming. Plenty of good fast case fans, fast card fans, mesh case and room air circulation. 




Got screenshots of your gpu, hot spot and memory temps at that power draw? A lot of people use auto fan profiles and are happy with ~70C range temps, not me. I use headphones and max the fans and set the 120x38mm case fans to 3k rpm when not under water.
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/25 21:04:11 (permalink)
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Got screenshots of your gpu, hot spot and memory temps at that power draw? A lot of people use auto fan profiles and are happy with ~70C range temps, not me. I use headphones and max the fans and set the 120x38mm case fans to 3k rpm when not under water.




LOL, ok buddy.  Stop wasting my time.
 
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/25 21:54:33 (permalink)
Mine never gets beyond 69 degrees.
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/25 22:00:13 (permalink)
Sorry for the typos. 120 mm fan helped immensely so I knew 3080 exhaust was part of the problem. I got the Corsair dominator ram fan which keeps my ram at 45-46 degrees under stress testing and gaming. It blocks part of my scythe fuma but cpu temps are under control…
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/25 23:38:29 (permalink)
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those same 2 tests back 6 months ago when the Cards were new from Evga and prior to installing Water Blocks were about 72c - 73c, so I managed to shave almost 5c off the load temps with new pads, putty n grease ;)




While your results are great and any improvement is usually worthwhile, most people shouldn't be randomly pulling apart EVGA cards to get a few degrees improvement.  They already have some of the best thermals out there and there are risks of making it worse or damaging the card if you're not careful.  The first step is always to get a good case airflow setup.




Agreed...I have been taking cards apart and installing Water Blocks....then re-installing stock air coolers (to sell the Cards) for years, so not a big deal for me....although a little extra care going into the $1700 CDN, 3080Ti FTW3.......actually the 1080Ti's and 30xx Series Cards are pretty easy to disassemble / re-assemble vs the older previous cards......those results I posted were in a very old Coolermaster Case with the side panel off ;)
 
Yes defintely.....I wouldn't recommend disassembling a new Card just to change grease (although the stock stuff that was on the die was pretty bad, as in really hardened and didnt cover the entire chip).




Hey thanks, really appreciate the clear qualification and warning, you're obviously an expert.  I've been monitoring the Reddit PC subs a bit, swapping pads is the flavor of the month over there, any hint of poor vram temps (or just normal temps) even with bad case cooling, and a bunch of noobs are jumping to recommend a pad swap.  People are buying cards and thinking they need to swap pads before they even run it, lol.  It's almost as bad as the constant recommendations for undervolting.




btw ..you guys got me curious...ran HWinfo in the background while playing some RDR2 and running the in game benchmark...also a number of Port Royal Lopps, for some Max Temps:
Ambient 19c
GPU 42.8c
Memory Junction 50c
Hot spot 51.8c
DIMMS (x2) no overclock 3200 Mhz 28c
 

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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/26 22:03:09 (permalink)
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What type of cooler are you using?


I have a Noctua DH-15, and a few additional case fans to keep up flow.
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/26 22:08:52 (permalink)
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OP, here's a thread with a couple nice 3080 / Meshify-C setups.
 

 
Probably want to avoid front AIO as they are usually restrictive to air flow.  With plenty of fan speed and ~20C ambient temps the card should be about 70C at ~400w.
 
 


Thank you! I actually came across that post recently and commented asking for the pictures. I see you commented as well. I hope mine works out that well!

I don’t believe I’ll need any extra holes, but it may not end up as pretty. If I’m not mistaken OP on that thread has a CLC?
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/27 00:44:32 (permalink)
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/27 05:17:23 (permalink)
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I don’t believe I’ll need any extra holes, but it may not end up as pretty. If I’m not mistaken OP on that thread has a CLC?



Should get plenty of GPU air with a top mount AIO radiator and good front intake fans, it's just the front AIO you need watch out for as the radiator is very restrictive to air flow, while warming up the air slightly.
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/30 03:33:06 (permalink)
Ok, the 3080 is in, along with my new 1000W PSU!
 
My cooling setup is a Noctua DH-15 cooler, two Corsair 120mm fans intaking on the front, two stock case fans in rear and rear-top exhausting. No liquid involved. With some testing the last couple days I peaked the GPU in a benchmark at 84C, which was one degree above the setpoint for the RTX 3080 in EVGA's Precision X1 software, running aggressive fan curves. Otherwise during normal gaming I haven't seen anything above 76C. My processor temps have increased an average of about 2-3C, which was surprising because this GPU runs quite a bit hotter than my 2070 Super did. Ambient temps between 21-24C, which hasn't changed.
 
The setpoint of 83C just... feels high. I don't really know what I'm talking about, but it seems higher than it should really be. I'm sure I'm just being paranoid? The Precision X1 software allows some room for adjusting, but I don't feel comfortable playing with settings I don't fully understand. Any thoughts?
 
Here's a pic of the setup. Notice the card sagging... I will be 3D printing a bracket to support the right side ASAP. In the meantime, I used one of my extra mouth-guard cases that's exactly the right height wedged in a divot in the GPU end-cap to support it... not ideal.
 
EDIT: I'm having some trouble getting pictures to attach to this post. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Oh well. You get the idea.
post edited by steveh34 - 2021/09/30 03:38:43
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/30 04:32:25 (permalink)
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Ok, the 3080 is in, along with my new 1000W PSU!
 
My cooling setup is a Noctua DH-15 cooler, two Corsair 120mm fans intaking on the front, two stock case fans in rear and rear-top exhausting. No liquid involved. With some testing the last couple days I peaked the GPU in a benchmark at 84C, which was one degree above the setpoint for the RTX 3080 in EVGA's Precision X1 software, running aggressive fan curves. Otherwise during normal gaming I haven't seen anything above 76C. My processor temps have increased an average of about 2-3C, which was surprising because this GPU runs quite a bit hotter than my 2070 Super did. Ambient temps between 21-24C, which hasn't changed.
 
The setpoint of 83C just... feels high. I don't really know what I'm talking about, but it seems higher than it should really be. I'm sure I'm just being paranoid? The Precision X1 software allows some room for adjusting, but I don't feel comfortable playing with settings I don't fully understand. Any thoughts?
 
Here's a pic of the setup. Notice the card sagging... I will be 3D printing a bracket to support the right side ASAP. In the meantime, I used one of my extra mouth-guard cases that's exactly the right height wedged in a divot in the GPU end-cap to support it... not ideal.
 
EDIT: I'm having some trouble getting pictures to attach to this post. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Oh well. You get the idea.


84c is concerning specially if it is a new gpu
what model
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/30 05:28:22 (permalink)
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Ok, the 3080 is in, along with my new 1000W PSU!
 
My cooling setup is a Noctua DH-15 cooler, two Corsair 120mm fans intaking on the front, two stock case fans in rear and rear-top exhausting. No liquid involved. With some testing the last couple days I peaked the GPU in a benchmark at 84C, which was one degree above the setpoint for the RTX 3080 in EVGA's Precision X1 software, running aggressive fan curves. Otherwise during normal gaming I haven't seen anything above 76C. My processor temps have increased an average of about 2-3C, which was surprising because this GPU runs quite a bit hotter than my 2070 Super did. Ambient temps between 21-24C, which hasn't changed.
 
The setpoint of 83C just... feels high. I don't really know what I'm talking about, but it seems higher than it should really be. I'm sure I'm just being paranoid? The Precision X1 software allows some room for adjusting, but I don't feel comfortable playing with settings I don't fully understand. Any thoughts?
 
Here's a pic of the setup. Notice the card sagging... I will be 3D printing a bracket to support the right side ASAP. In the meantime, I used one of my extra mouth-guard cases that's exactly the right height wedged in a divot in the GPU end-cap to support it... not ideal.
 
EDIT: I'm having some trouble getting pictures to attach to this post. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Oh well. You get the idea.




Try some fixed speed case and card fans when gaming, like 1500 to 2000RPM on the front and 80 to 90% on the card.  This will keep down heatsoak by really cooling everything off when the card is at lower power, knocking down peak temps by a few degrees.
post edited by kevinc313 - 2021/09/30 09:30:29
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/30 06:19:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby steveh34 2021/09/30 09:40:48
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The setpoint of 83C just... feels high. I don't really know what I'm talking about, but it seems higher than it should really be. I'm sure I'm just being paranoid? The Precision X1 software allows some room for adjusting, but I don't feel comfortable playing with settings I don't fully understand. Any thoughts?

You set the temperature limit to what you are comfortable with, and that's roughly the max temperature it will reach. It will cause the card's performance to throttle in order to maintain that temperature limit. It's nothing to be scared of messing with. My thought is that if you are worried about how hot the card is getting and you think the performance is currently more than good, you could enable a framerate limiter, lower the power limit, or lower the temperature limit in order to get the card running cooler.

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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/30 06:52:30 (permalink)
No 3080 should be reaching 83 degrees !!!
Using it at less than 100 percent is not the answer
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/30 09:04:57 (permalink)
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/30 09:09:36 (permalink)
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84c is concerning specially if it is a new gpu
what model

 
mite_jan
No 3080 should be reaching 83 degrees !!!
Using it at less than 100 percent is not the answer



EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra. The default setpoint in Precision X1 was 83C. I'm sure the card wasn't even attempting to cool itself while it climbed in temp. As stated, that was right on target for the setpoint, so I thought it was ok. If I reduce the setpoint below 83 it automatically reduces the power. Do you think something is wrong with my card?
 
 
kevinc313
Try some fixed case and card fans when gaming, like 1500 to 2000RPM on the front and 80 to 90% on the card.  This will keep down heatsoak by really cooling everything off when the card is at lower power, knocking down peak temps by a few degrees.



I could add a couple fans... after seeing the response to my results here I'm pretty concerned. Thanks for the tip.
 
 
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You set the temperature limit to what you are comfortable with, and that's roughly the max temperature it will reach. It will cause the card's performance to throttle in order to maintain that temperature limit. It's nothing to be scared of messing with. My thought is that if you are worried about how hot the card is getting and you think the performance is currently more than good, you could enable a framerate limiter, lower the power limit, or lower the temperature limit in order to get the card running cooler.



I limited framerate to 144, which matches my monitor refresh rate. It seems good enough to me, and I will likely add more fans as kevinc313 recommends, and lower the temp limit. This automatically lowers the power % in the software, which is kind of a bummer. Even with a great CLC setup I'd still be pushing 83 degrees if I want 100% power.
post edited by steveh34 - 2021/09/30 09:12:18
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/30 09:16:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby steveh34 2021/09/30 09:40:20
my 3080 Ti is working hard Folding 24/7 on the stock cooler -- no issues keeping temp reasonable usually ~60-65 C & I believed always below 72C
 
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/30 09:29:40 (permalink)
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I will likely add more fans as kevinc313 recommends




I didn't recommend adding fans.  I recommended exactly what I wrote.
 
FIXED SPEED FANS - aka CONSTANT SPEED
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/30 09:38:58 (permalink)
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I didn't recommend adding fans.  I recommended exactly what I wrote.
 
FIXED SPEED FANS - aka CONSTANT SPEED


My mistake for misunderstanding. In case you haven’t noticed I’m pretty new to this, and I assumed “try some [fans]” meant I didn’t have enough air flow and needed to add more. Didn’t know there was a difference.

I’ll see if I can fix my current fans. If not I’ll consider looking into purchasing some. Got a few additional routes to explore as well.
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/30 09:58:19 (permalink)
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EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra. The default setpoint in Precision X1 was 83C. I'm sure the card wasn't even attempting to cool itself while it climbed in temp. As stated, that was right on target for the setpoint, so I thought it was ok. If I reduce the setpoint below 83 it automatically reduces the power. Do you think something is wrong with my card?
 
 
 



i would not even touch precision x the card should take its values from the bios/firmware , i would monitor it with hwinfo , fan size and temperature , 84 is a bit hot , how many wats does it pull when it reaches 84 degrees , make sure voltage is stock
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Re: Cooling a 3080 without liquid? 2021/09/30 10:11:24 (permalink)
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I didn't recommend adding fans.  I recommended exactly what I wrote.

FIXED SPEED FANS - aka CONSTANT SPEED


My mistake for misunderstanding. In case you haven’t noticed I’m pretty new to this, and I assumed “try some [fans]” meant I didn’t have enough air flow and needed to add more. Didn’t know there was a difference.

I’ll see if I can fix my current fans. If not I’ll consider looking into purchasing some. Got a few additional routes to explore as well.




I would never tell someone to not buy more fans, I buy fans all the time.  
 
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