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2017/05/07 17:54:15 (permalink)
EVGA, I love ya. Every product I've had of yours is great and this 1080Ti FTW3 seems to be no different.
 
I can't say the same for the software though. I've tried to like it. I downloaded Precision XOC and I got to using it. It has all the basics you need for overclocking, managing fans, etc...  However there are several areas that it seems to fall short on.
 
In particular the OSD and monitoring features. Sure it's the only one that (currently at least) supports ICX and all those extra sensors, it's also the only one that can talk to the async fans and have multiple fan curves but my go to software for overclocking has been Afterburner. I've been using it for years. It has seemingly always been ahead of the curve on features and this doesn't seem to be any different today. RTSS in particular is very flexible and easy to use. It easily hooks into other apps like HWiNFO to display insane amounts of info and do insane amounts of logging. It does screenshots, video recording, benchmarking, and more.  I'm sad to say Precision falls short in some of these areas. There are a number of issues and problems that can crop up if you are trying to run both Precision XOC and Afterburner (or other programs like it) at the same time. You have two programs trying to talk and control the GPU at the same time and they don't like each other. 
The current issue is that Afterburner does not monitor/control more than the main fan on the GPU and in the words of Afterburners creator himself...
Both AMD and NV drivers are providing API for controlling the primary fan only, adding support for secondary fan means that controller must be accessed directly at low level, which adds real jar of worms in compatibility area. It won't be in AB just because some vendor (regardless if it is MSI, EVGA or anybody else) decide to play marketing games with second "async" controller.

 
... support for multiple fan curves probably isn't going to come any time soon.
 
 
 
There are a few ways I think this could be solved and that has prompted my thread today.
  1. Precision XOC could be improved to be on par (or better) than Afterburner and RTSS in it's level of features, flexibility, etc... This is not a simple undertaking and not something that is going to happen over night. I have no ties to Afterburner/RTSS and if something better comes along I'll switch to it. I go with what works and has the best features.
  2. Nvidia could make their API support multiple fans thus making it easier for 3rd party apps to access all the fans and control/monitor accordingly. Good luck convincing Nvidia to do this.
  3. EVGA could provide a way to force (maybe via BIOS update) all the fans to link to the GPU fan. You can do this in software right now but it does not work if the software isn't running. This would cause Afterburner (and other programs) to still see 1 fan but all 3 run accordingly. Naturally you lose the benefit of the async fan control but it would be a small price to pay for some.
  4. EVGA could release a small program that basically is just for fan control and nothing else. This could run in the background and control the fans like Precision does but not require Precision to be running. You can have issues if you have both Precision and Afterburner (or other programs like it) running at the same time. Not entirely sure this still wouldn't conflict with Afterburner but worth a thought. With manual fan control disabled in Afterburner I don't think it would be an issue.
  5. EVGA could open source provide whatever API they are using for their async fan control so it can easily be implemented into other programs to avoid the "real jar of worms in compatibility" mentioned above. A highly unlikely thing to happen but when discussing options, never hurts to mention it.
  6. Some method I haven't thought of??
 
Looking for feedback and thoughts on this. I really like my FTW3, it performs great and it looks amazing. I'd love to be able to use it to its full potential and still have all the advanced features of AB/RTSS that I've been using for years.
post edited by RadioActiveLobster - 2017/05/09 09:36:14

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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2017/05/09 03:51:17 (permalink)
    Excellent points RadioActiveLobster
     
     
    Last night I had a strange issue where my OC saved in PXOC would crash BF1, this was unusual because it I had hours of BF1 already with the same settings.  I switched to Afterburner and it worked fine.  During my gaming session I looked at both fans on my SC2 and they were spinning, I assume its the default curve in the BIOS and as they spun down I noticed that they spun down at different rates, The GPU fan spun for several minutes longer then the power fan.  This leads me to believe that you can still get the benefits of async fans if PXOC doesn't work.  
     
    I have been warming up to PXOC while I have dialed in my GPU and it would be nice to get the bugs worked out.
     
    Along the lines of point 4, I wonder if HWinfo will ever be able to access the temperature data from the ICX cards, this would at least allow you to display and track the temps during a gaming session.

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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2017/05/09 09:35:12 (permalink)
    True, the other fans still run their default fan curves even when using MSI Afterburner but it would be nice to have the ability to control them regardless.

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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2017/05/09 12:33:31 (permalink)
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    True, the other fans still run their default fan curves even when using MSI Afterburner but it would be nice to have the ability to control them regardless.




    I agree %100. 

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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2017/05/09 13:07:30 (permalink)
    I was actually going to make a post requesting standalone software for GPU fan control in general; async or "stock" alike. A public API for reading iCX sensor data and controlling fans would be even better.
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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2017/05/12 16:47:02 (permalink)
    Would be nice if someone from EVGA could at least comment on this.
     
     

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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2017/05/25 09:03:36 (permalink)
    GPU-Z can read ICX sensors now, so really the only missing piece is the fan control.
    https://forums.evga.com/GPUZ-210-Supports-iCX-Sensors-m2673326.aspx
     
    Afterburner is superior IMO, but after a long break from Precision and now coming back to it for my 1080ti FTW3, I can say it is much better than before.
    Ever since that "thing" between Rivatuner and EVGA, EVGA has been playing catch-up with their GPU control software (Precision).
     

     
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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2017/05/25 16:35:02 (permalink)
    Yeah, the ICX Sensor data is coming to Afterburner as well since it seems to pretty easy to implement.
     
    The sticking point is the fan control and monitoring. Unwinder doesn't seem to have any plans to implement the ability to control more than just the GPU fan (for any vendor, MSI, Gigabyte, EVGA, etc...). Say it would cause to many issues and requires more than just what the Nvidia driver is providing (which is control for 1 fan)
     
    I even asked him if they made it easy by providing the API hooks or open sourcing it would it and he responded with basically "I have nothing further to add beyond what I've already said".
     
     

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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2017/05/26 08:45:26 (permalink)
    Just an assumption, but I'm guessing he had nothing else to say because of that "thing" that happened some years back.

     
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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2017/05/28 07:23:59 (permalink)
    That may be true but he did specifically mention it doesn't matter what AIB it is, he doesn't want to add in support because of all the additional work it is. He even said if it was MSI themselves he wouldn't add it.
     
     

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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2018/01/26 08:27:27 (permalink)
    Thus we run into the modern world's definition of  "professional:" "Anyone who does anything for money, regardless of their effect on others."
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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2018/01/26 10:27:14 (permalink)
    I would rather see Fan Control under this EVGA Tool  
    Overall it would be best to Keep Separate GPU & Motherboard Tools IMO is all.
    If taken under PXOC then all the Non-EVGA Graphics Card Owners would start complaining that the software is not working on their Non-EVGA Motherboard.
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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2019/05/08 13:36:31 (permalink)
    I'm able to adjust each fan individually on my rtx 2080 ti xc gaming cards using the Galax Xtreme Tuner Plus software for RTX cards. 
     
    Maybe 1080 Ti FTW3 owners can adjust each of their fans individually by using the Galax Xtreme Tuner Plus software that is for GTX cards. 
     
    Note: Only static speed adjustment is available. 
     


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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2019/06/20 06:36:00 (permalink)
    Static speed adjustment works with PX1 (best to turn it off after setting) so I am not sure what galax would add to this. I suppose if you can keep it on without the ever present stuttering caused by EVGA software that is something.
     
    Has anyone found a way to do this? Pie in the sky would be to tie the 2 fans together and use MSI afterburner. EVGA's software is not fit for its intended purpose- gaming.
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    Re: Controlling Aysnc Fans without Precision XOC - Thoughts and Ideas 2019/06/23 03:38:36 (permalink)
    Got sick of evgas precision being bug filled for the past 2 years and ended up putting waterblocks on my cards. Great hardware. Software not so much. Precision X1 has high cpu usage on all my machines and Eleet-x is broken on x299 on the last few bios's any voltage adjustments will cause a hardlock. before that on my 1080 scs i made pig tails and put the fans on the one header afterburner could control.
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