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Hey gang,
I am looking to do a new build this year. I am a big fan of EVGA, having their motherboards since the Nforce 680 days. I was extremely pleased with their X-58 chipset board, and X-79 Dark board which I am still running today. This X-79 board has been flawless, built in Dec of 2013 and has been running my 4820k at 4.5 GHz and not missed a beat. Rock solid, I have loved this setup.
So I have the funds now, and am considering going ahead with a new build. Or at least this year, if better for me to wait if something right around the corner, I could do it later in the year. But definitely want to have it done before the end of the year, sooner the better I think. I have had health issues since my last build that has disabled me and lost half my eyesight and memory problems, but I think I can still pull a build off.
I use my PC mainly for gaming, and more specifically for VR gaming. I only do games now in VR, primarily combat flight sims which can be very demanding performance wise in VR. I don't care to do SLI, so that is not a factor in my decision. So I am thinking at least currently, the Z370 board paired with an Intel 8700K is about the best option today. Now I am a little confused, what is the main difference in the Z series boards and the X series boards? Like I said I have really loved my X series boards from EVGA, especially the X-79 Dark. Also it seems like there is not a lot of activity/discussions going on in the Z370 forums here, I know back when I got the X-79 Dark it's forum at the time was extremely active.
If I do this new build soon with the above, I would want to maintain at least 5 GHz with a closed loop water cooler. The Corsair H-100i I have been running on this Dark board has been working flawless for me.
I would also note I know de-lidding is kind of a thing for some with the 8700k, but I will not be wanting to attempt that.
So anyway I would sure appreciate any thoughts/advice. When I do this, it will be a complete new build with a new case and all, probably only thing I will carry over is my EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 and a couple of drives. Looking at EVGA for case and power supply as well. Should I wait till later in the year if there is something around the corner or go ahead now?
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/02 23:27:20
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Either board will game well. The X series boards are more geared toward the work station group as it offers more pcie lanes, memory capacity, and ability to use cpu's with more cores up to 36 threads for example vs 12 threads max for Z series. The Z series boards offer cpu's like the 8700k that are for the most part faster in games when compared to X series cpu's do to its faster per core performance. In games gpu's like cpu's with less cores but faster per core speed vs a cpu with more cores but slower per core performance. I found this link simple, short and informative. http://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/x299-vs-z370/ I seen a H115i able to keep an 8700k @ 5ghz with1.4v at 80c under 100% load so I think just for gaming the H100i might be ok. I would give it a try since you already have it. Maybe try push pull if you have extra fans. As far as waiting for what's next is an advice I cannot give as you know how quickly technology evolves. I can tell you that the 8700K Z370 combo with your 1080i is one of the best systems out there now. I wish you good luck and have fun with your next build.
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/03 04:31:21
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 Much thanks for the info!
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/03 09:49:12
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If you focus is on gaming then the 8700K is what you want. The only thing of note is the 8 core based coffee lake CPUs that are coming with Z390 boards. It remains to be seen if support for the 8 core CPUs will be extended to the Z370 boards but judging from Intel's past I would say no they will force you to purchase a new motherboard if you want the new 8 core mainstream CPUs. Having said that there is plenty of benchmarks that suggest going from 6 - 8 cores for gaming is not really that big of a deal if in fact at all. Look at any of the Ryzen 2600X vs 2700X benchmarks in games and you'll see that adding 2 more cores hardly impacts performance at all in most games.
If you have made it this far with your X79 platform I would just say sit back and see what happens in the next few weeks. There is nothing wrong with your current setup for gaming and you aren't really missing out on much performance to be perfectly honest.
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/03 09:53:56
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If you focus is on gaming then the 8700K is what you want. The only thing of note is the 8 core based coffee lake CPUs that are coming with Z390 boards. It remains to be seen if support for the 8 core CPUs will be extended to the Z370 boards but judging from Intel's past I would say no they will force you to purchase a new motherboard if you want the new 8 core mainstream CPUs. Having said that there is plenty of benchmarks that suggest going from 6 - 8 cores for gaming is not really that big of a deal if in fact at all. Look at any of the Ryzen 2600X vs 2700X benchmarks in games and you'll see that adding 2 more cores hardly impacts performance at all in most games.
If you have made it this far with your X79 platform I would just say sit back and see what happens in the next few weeks. There is nothing wrong with your current setup for gaming and you aren't really missing out on much performance to be perfectly honest.
+1 to what CraptacularOne has said.
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/03 10:17:21
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If you focus is on gaming then the 8700K is what you want. The only thing of note is the 8 core based coffee lake CPUs that are coming with Z390 boards. It remains to be seen if support for the 8 core CPUs will be extended to the Z370 boards but judging from Intel's past I would say no they will force you to purchase a new motherboard if you want the new 8 core mainstream CPUs. Having said that there is plenty of benchmarks that suggest going from 6 - 8 cores for gaming is not really that big of a deal if in fact at all. Look at any of the Ryzen 2600X vs 2700X benchmarks in games and you'll see that adding 2 more cores hardly impacts performance at all in most games.
If you have made it this far with your X79 platform I would just say sit back and see what happens in the next few weeks. There is nothing wrong with your current setup for gaming and you aren't really missing out on much performance to be perfectly honest.
Much thanks, I may just do that. Only reason I am a little anxious is as my gaming is all done in VR, with some demanding software like combat flight sims, it needs all the horsepower I can throw at it. And the new 8700k processors along with faster ram speeds is giving some nice boosts to performance in VR. Certainly not perfect, but a nice improvement. But I am patient, and my rig still handles them good enough for now. Just have to crank the details down somewhat. Think I may just wait till later in the year and see what comes. Thanks,
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/04 07:36:19
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/04 08:30:17
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/04 12:28:56
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Something else to consider...Coffee Lake is supposed to have "built-in" hardware fixes for Spectre and Meltdown > https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/03/16/intel-spectre-meltdown-cpu-fix-coffee-lake/
This does not apply to current Coffee Lake processors. Most likely will be for future 8-core Coffee Lake hopefully expected at the end of this year. I say hopefully as Intel has been very tight lipped on when they will release 8-core consumer level chips........
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/05 12:54:42
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One thing that has me somewhat puzzled.
Now let me say I do not mean this as a slight to EVGA in any way, I am a huge fan of their products and have been running both their motherboards and video cards from since the Nvidia 680 motherboard days. I have always had great success with them along with superior support by far.
Every time I was looking at a new motherboard in the past, there was never a shortage of activity on these EVGA forums. When X-58 was released, all kinds of activity with folks sharing overclocking successes and tips. Same with the X-79 boards, tons of activity.
Now I come here and see very little activity on the Z370 forum, and really not much more on the X299 forum.
So am I overthinking this or what? Are those forms just not that popular yet? Again I am likely going to wait till later in the year at this point so no big deal really, just mainly curious about this...
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/05 20:38:31
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That is a VERY good question about seeing less activity.
I think it is many items
One. Setting up a MB is now very easy and the general OC guides get most people were they are happy or they just jump to the next gen board.
Two. all the action seems to be shared with the GPU and its weekly software update dance.
Three : I seem to spend more time now on case design and cooling items.
I throw together as least one new gen computer system a year and am not sure what is the average for other people
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/05 22:03:34
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One thing that has me somewhat puzzled.
Now let me say I do not mean this as a slight to EVGA in any way, I am a huge fan of their products and have been running both their motherboards and video cards from since the Nvidia 680 motherboard days. I have always had great success with them along with superior support by far.
Every time I was looking at a new motherboard in the past, there was never a shortage of activity on these EVGA forums. When X-58 was released, all kinds of activity with folks sharing overclocking successes and tips. Same with the X-79 boards, tons of activity.
Now I come here and see very little activity on the Z370 forum, and really not much more on the X299 forum.
So am I overthinking this or what? Are those forms just not that popular yet? Again I am likely going to wait till later in the year at this point so no big deal really, just mainly curious about this...
Times change and most of us old hats don't really have the free time anymore to post all the time on the forum for advice/overclocking settings. There hasn't been much of an influx of newer members willing to pick up the mantle and dedicate the time on the forums to teach others or post their findings it seems. Not sure why exactly that is but EVGA is still a very popular company with enthusiasts and PC builders in general. Don't let this small microcosm of people sway your decision one way or the other.
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/06 02:43:06
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OK thanks guys, just seemed odd but makes sense.
I certainly plan on sticking with EVGA, especially considering all the success I have had with their products .
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/06 06:02:54
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/06 09:28:24
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bdary
Something else to consider...Coffee Lake is supposed to have "built-in" hardware fixes for Spectre and Meltdown > https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/03/16/intel-spectre-meltdown-cpu-fix-coffee-lake/
This does not apply to current Coffee Lake processors. Most likely will be for future 8-core Coffee Lake hopefully expected at the end of this year. I say hopefully as Intel has been very tight lipped on when they will release 8-core consumer level chips........
Yep. That's why I added the link and that is what is stated in the article...
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/06 09:42:02
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d.burnette
One thing that has me somewhat puzzled.
Now let me say I do not mean this as a slight to EVGA in any way, I am a huge fan of their products and have been running both their motherboards and video cards from since the Nvidia 680 motherboard days. I have always had great success with them along with superior support by far.
Every time I was looking at a new motherboard in the past, there was never a shortage of activity on these EVGA forums. When X-58 was released, all kinds of activity with folks sharing overclocking successes and tips. Same with the X-79 boards, tons of activity.
Now I come here and see very little activity on the Z370 forum, and really not much more on the X299 forum.
So am I overthinking this or what? Are those forms just not that popular yet? Again I am likely going to wait till later in the year at this point so no big deal really, just mainly curious about this...
One thing that I've seen that may contribute to this is, with X58 and prior, there were so many things to learn to get a decent overclock stable. So many tweaks needed here and there and settings/voltages adjusted. Then X79 came along, still a lot of forum participation, but to me it seemed it was because the BIOS features and settings were all so new and in many ways different then X58. So another big learning curve. I did find X79 much easier to overclock then previous generations once I got familiar with some of the new terminology and settings/voltages. Then along comes X99 which to me was mostly the same as X79 with a few differences due to the different features of the CPU primarily. So it seemed to me that as overclocking got a bit easier to accomplish with every newer platform, the less participation. Less people asking for help, etc. Just my 2 cents for at least part of it.
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/06 10:36:35
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Something else to consider...Coffee Lake is supposed to have "built-in" hardware fixes for Spectre and Meltdown > https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/03/16/intel-spectre-meltdown-cpu-fix-coffee-lake/
This does not apply to current Coffee Lake processors. Most likely will be for future 8-core Coffee Lake hopefully expected at the end of this year. I say hopefully as Intel has been very tight lipped on when they will release 8-core consumer level chips........
Yep. That's why I added the link and that is what is stated in the article...
Not looking to get into a fight here, was just clarifying your somewhat misleading statement without the need to read a linked article. Coffee Lake has been out since end of last year so the statement you made was a bit misleading........
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/07 18:09:42
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With i7-4820K on 4500MHz you have enough CPU power to wait new generation.
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/08 07:48:23
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If you get the DG7 series case and get the clc cpu cooler, it is almost a must to get the classified K.
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Re: Considering new Z370 build
2018/06/12 12:06:35
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If you get the DG7 series case and get the clc cpu cooler, it is almost a must to get the classified K.
Thanks for the tip! Still debating whether to hold off till latter part of the year.
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