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2017/12/04 09:48:34 (permalink)
Hey all, I'm running into a bit of an issue here with my computer, it's been BSOD'n for no reason and at random times. So I recently did a full Parted Magic Secure Erase of my Intel 180GB SSD, and I bought 2 new WD Black 1 TB HD's to replace my older HD's. Now after the reinstall and clean up and reinstall of programs things seem to be going fine but I woke up this morning to another BSOD, for the life of me I can't seem to figure out the cause. I'm pretty competent when it comes to computers but this one has stumped me, I haven't had a blue screen issue in forever. Now recently I'm out of software issues to be the problem , tho all my hardware seems to be functioning fine. But my event viewer is concerning its full or errors and critical errors since the reinstall 7 days ago. They Service Control Manager Errors, Bug Check, Kernel-Power mostly. 
 
Normally it happens during Gaming, But can also Crash during idle or while YT is playing while I sleep. 
Just looking on ways to pinpoint the problem, I'll give you my setup here.
 
I'm running a-
 
CPU- Intel 960 3.20
Mobo- Evga X-58 Classified 3
GPU- EVGA GTX 770 SC
Mem- Corsair 12GB Vengeance
PSU-Corsair AX1200 -(Stable 12.V rail checked)
Main OS SSD- Intel 520-180GB
Slave drives - x2 Western Digital Black 1TB HD 7200 sp
 
I also have my CPU and N/S Bridge On Water 
CPU temps are around 32c Idle under load around 38-43 ( Gaming nothing srs )
GPU temps are around 27c Idle under load around 38-45 **
 
Lately I've been getting really bad bog downs as well, like game speed and computer will just slow to snail then rubber band back from 10fps lagged inputs to full speed after a few 5-10 seconds. But again I can't find the issue.
 
I have yet to run Prime-95 to test to Older CPU, or have I Run Mem-test 86. I can try those if asked, also if you need crash reports. If you could be so kind and explain how exactly to get the ones you would need that would be a great help I'm not that skilled in the crash/error section.
 
Thanks for your time and help! looking forward to getting this solved. Also , I don't have a ton of money to fix things atm. So cheap fixes would be favorable over full replacement options. :)


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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 10:02:58 (permalink)
    Look in your Windows power options and set this for your PC NOT to sleep and see if the issues continue.

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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 10:09:52 (permalink)
    Oh ya forgot I've deleted the Hibernate file to give my SSD more space. Also all sleep functions are disabled too, No snooze on monitor. My computer runs until i turn it off. 


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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 11:06:12 (permalink)
    Test the memory.

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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 11:51:09 (permalink)
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    Test the memory.

    Ok , I'll do that and get back to ya once its done. 


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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 13:07:21 (permalink)
    OK Memtest done, and no errors have come up. Any thoughts? Heres a SS
     

     


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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 13:22:50 (permalink)
    Good luck.. my first guess was power supply but im sure with it being a 1200watt model you wouldn't think it's worn to the point it's not providing st least 600 watts.. how old is it?

    Other then that disconnect everything you don't need st the time to get into windows.. see what happens.

    Also check all power connections to make sure everything is tight! How many times have I've heard one sata connection loose was the cause.
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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 13:47:28 (permalink)
    This is like the perfect storm. The worst pc issue one can have as it's hard to figure out if it's the cpu going bad, ram or the mb.

    Gotta figure out what changed when this started happening. If nothing then it's something hardware related going.

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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 14:27:33 (permalink)
    What are the error messages BSOD?
     
    Win 7 Pro 64 bit ? (see that in your signature)
     
    OS fully up to date ?
     
    What background software is running ?
     
    Any security scans or updates automatically happening at night ?
     
    Device manager - ANY issues "yellow circles"
     
    SSD - how full, boot drive ?
     
    Did you replace the SATA cables ?
     
    What are your BIOS settings ? (the ones you changed from default)
     
    OC software ?
     
    OC MB / CPU ?
     
    OC GPU ?
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 15:00:45 (permalink)
    Well the PSU is stable at 12v on the rail i checked in bio's. Other than the new reinstall of OS and Normal programs.. As such
     
    WoW Desktop App
    Twitch App,
    Open Broadcaster Software,
    BitDefender
    EVGA Precision XOC, ( Was using Precision X Before )
    I have older Divers just because they've been stable for years, ( 347.88 ) (custom install Phys X and Drivers only )
    I've reverted Chip setup update ( I tired Update After reinstall, Still Crashed )
    I've installed Malwarebytes to scan ( nothing found )
    Windows updates reported no issues with installing 
    I do have a strange clicking noise coming from my GPU recently But only happens at load high speeds. I assume Fans
     
    All basic installs nothing fancy, The PSU is a bit older 7yrs or so? Maybe its the GPU considering the FPS bog downs may relate to a Seen input lag until screen/display catches back up.
     
    Would a crash report help at all to narrow down what was the staring cause for the BSOD?


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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 15:15:07 (permalink)
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    What are the error messages BSOD?
     
    Win 7 Pro 64 bit ? (see that in your signature)
     
    OS fully up to date ?
     
    What background software is running ?
     
    Any security scans or updates automatically happening at night ?
     
    Device manager - ANY issues "yellow circles"
     
    SSD - how full, boot drive ?
     
    Did you replace the SATA cables ?
     
    What are your BIOS settings ? (the ones you changed from default)
     
    OC software ?
     
    OC MB / CPU ?
     
    OC GPU ?
     
     
     
     


    BSOD Error Msg - I haven't taken the time to take a picture of it I don't know.
     
    Win7pro 64bit yes.
     
    OS fully updated -
     
    Background programs- at any time Bit Defender, Twitch Desktop App, WoW Desktop App. RazerSynapse (For my Naga) Google Chrome * Playing TY*
     
    Sec. Scans - Non- that I have setup or see running. Windows won't update until I pick updates and allow it.
     
    Device manager - I have 2 , Marvell 91xx Config ATA Device / Universal Serial Bus (USB) Controller ( have been this way forever )
     
    SSD Capacity - Low.. I don't tend to install anything on it but important  I'm at 121gb free of 167gb
     
    I have replaced my cables A few were bad,
     
    Bio's defaults the only settings I have changed are moved to AHCI mode and ofc boot settings.
     
    No item on my PC is OC'd by me. the GTX 770 Maybe OC'd but I bought it that way.
     
    Thats all I know atm. 


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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 15:18:58 (permalink)
    Clicking - GPU - when fan is high RPM -- I'd look for a wire or other loose object hitting
     
    XOC --- is OSD turned OFF -- its been known to cause all sorts of problems
     
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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 15:38:33 (permalink)
     
    7 year old psu? Time to get a new psu. Voltage readings inside the bios only tell half the story. You'll only be seeing idle voltages in the bios. You need to read the voltages with a multimeter while the system is under a heavy load. Posting the bug check code would be helpful. When testing your ram did you test each stick individually?
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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 15:57:10 (permalink)
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    Clicking - GPU - when fan is high RPM -- I'd look for a wire or other loose object hitting
     
    XOC --- is OSD turned OFF -- its been known to cause all sorts of problems
     
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    GPU, I've checked it and I don't see any visible hanging connections, I'm pretty OCD so my cable management is not and issue and no hanging cables near the card. 
     
    I have OSD for Card Temp in my Tray Bar.
     
    BlueScreenView v1.55 has no dump files to show in the program,
     
    Windows Reliability Monitor has shown a few consistent error
    - Battle.net Helper.exe Stopped Working. its happened with each of the last 2 crashes. 
    - Windows Non Properly Shut down ( ofc )
    - .NET Runtime Optimization Service ( from the 1st crash - close to reinstall date * probly update issue * )
     
    But I don't see any other Standing out errors , and Im not sure why don't I have Mem dumps for the crashes on my computer.
     


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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 16:06:46 (permalink)
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    7 year old psu? Time to get a new psu. Voltage readings inside the bios only tell half the story. You'll only be seeing idle voltages in the bios. You need to read the voltages with a multimeter while the system is under a heavy load. Posting the bug check code would be helpful. When testing your ram did you test each stick individually?




    I'd like to do more testing before I bust you the cash for a new PSU, But I will consider that, I don't have a multimeter to test it atm. My waterloop needs to be flushed sometime soon. I would consider replacing it then. When i tested my ram I just had all 3 sticks in triple channel and tested at the same time. 
     
    I'm unsure how to test them 1 at a time, I assume unplug 2 and leave 1 and cycle test 1-3 to make sure no?
     
    How would I load up a bugcheck report to show you? I'm not skilled in getting those.
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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 16:29:16 (permalink)
    Check all your sata cables, you may just have a bad one. Also check all power connections and make sure they are properly connected.

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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 16:35:10 (permalink)
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    Check all your sata cables, you may just have a bad one. Also check all power connections and make sure they are properly connected.


    I have, but i might spend a few bucks and buy all new ones just to make sure, it seems an odd issue that doesn't have any big red software or hardware issues popping out it may just be something tiny like that. 
     
    Will continue to cover bases tho and find more information.  ty


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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 16:38:21 (permalink)
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    I assume unplug 2 and leave 1 and cycle test 1-3 to make sure no?
     
    How would I load up a bugcheck report to show you?

    That is correct.
     
    Look in C:\Windows\LiveKernelReports\Watchdog & C:\Windows\Minidump to see if there are any files in those locations. If there are no files in those locations you'll need to look for the bug check code inside the windows event viewer.
     
    Note: Bluescreenview can open the files in the above folders. You'll be able to see the bug check code with bluescreenview.
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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 16:54:45 (permalink)
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    I assume unplug 2 and leave 1 and cycle test 1-3 to make sure no?
     
    How would I load up a bugcheck report to show you?

    That is correct.
     
    Look in C:\Windows\LiveKernelReports\Watchdog & C:\Windows\Minidump to see if there are any files in those locations. If there are no files in those locations you'll need to look for the bug check code inside the windows event viewer.
     




    Ok , So I found 2 BugCheck Id's in Event Viewer. 
        - 1001 = The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck.  The bugcheck was: 0x00000101 (0x0000000000000019, 0x0000000000000000, 0xfffff880032f9180, 0x0000000000000006). A dump was saved in: C:\Windows\MEMORY.DMP. Report Id: .
     
        - 1005 = Unable to produce a minidump file from full dump file
     
    Which was from a BSOD that started at 4:02 AM 12/4/17, stayed there til i woke up to it at 5:50am or so.. which then I reset , 
     
    Following same 4 Errors repeat through the day as a Service Control Manager 7026 ID, 
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    The following boot-start or system-start driver(s) failed to load:
    atc
     
    and 1 7000 ID
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    The WinRing0_1_2_0 service failed to start due to the following error:
    The system cannot find the path specified.

    But the next closest error from this was on 12/2/17 for a Service Contorl Manager ID 7026 , 2 days before this BSOD..
     
    But I have no dumps because it seems its failing to write them.. is what can put together. if this helps any? lol


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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 17:25:27 (permalink)
    These issue are the worst to figure out.
    You could try these tools for stress testing - prime95 for cpu testing and a continuous GPU bench mark - check to see if it crashes under specific situations.
     
    I would probably try these two things though:
    Try a clean install of the operating system again. Don't install your extra programs at first - and see if it crashes.
    This way you can determine if its software related or not.
     
    You could also try removing everything that's not essential to the running of the PC.
    The less you have the more you narrow it down. If it happens with just the basics then you have a better idea of what to test.
    If it doesn't happen with the basics you can then add one item in back at a time until you potentially find the culprit.
     
    If you have another spare drive, you could also try a windows 10 install for a few days to see if its a windows 7 update messing with something - if it is and you format and install windows 7 from scratch, you would just run into the same issue again..
    As I mentioned - these issues are the worst to figure out.
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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 17:39:07 (permalink)
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    These issue are the worst to figure out.
    You could try these tools for stress testing - prime95 for cpu testing and a continuous GPU bench mark - check to see if it crashes under specific situations.
     
    I would probably try these two things though:
    Try a clean install of the operating system again. Don't install your extra programs at first - and see if it crashes.
    This way you can determine if its software related or not.
     
    You could also try removing everything that's not essential to the running of the PC.
    The less you have the more you narrow it down. If it happens with just the basics then you have a better idea of what to test.
    If it doesn't happen with the basics you can then add one item in back at a time until you potentially find the culprit.
     
    If you have another spare drive, you could also try a windows 10 install for a few days to see if its a windows 7 update messing with something - if it is and you format and install windows 7 from scratch, you would just run into the same issue again..
    As I mentioned - these issues are the worst to figure out.


    Ya the more and more I try and pick the problem apart it just seems to be random, I hear good things about Win10, I could give that a shot, I'm a win 7 fanboy lol so been reluctant to switch over after the 8 plague. 
     
    I'll replace the Sata Cables with all new ones, And test the PSU under load to see if its still holding a 12v. I've swapped Back to precision x 16 instead of XOC. I'll see if that fixes thing. Tho TBH, my rig is abit dated lol so its not a surprise its acting up. I'd like to build a new one soon just money is tight.
     
    Thanks for the help so far, I'll post back if things clear up or if I find a fix. :)


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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 19:34:19 (permalink)
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    7 year old psu? Time to get a new psu. Voltage readings inside the bios only tell half the story. You'll only be seeing idle voltages in the bios. You need to read the voltages with a multimeter while the system is under a heavy load. Posting the bug check code would be helpful. When testing your ram did you test each stick individually?


    ;) Right with you! 12v reading in bios are usless.. you need a reading with large loads like while gaming. The system is idle in the bios.

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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 19:42:20 (permalink)
    0x00000101 could mean your cpu needs more voltage. Boosting your vcore may get rid of the issue.
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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 19:43:50 (permalink)
     
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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/04 20:00:48 (permalink)

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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/09 02:24:59 (permalink)
    Ok , update I had been playing WoW for most of the evening at least 8hrs , while having Chrome open watching YT on my second monitor , and i got the BSOD again, but managed to take a picture this time.
    the Dumping just stuck at 80 and didn't move so i reset and everything seems fine on the restart.
     
    Mebbe this will give a better understanding of the issue? TY!



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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/09 08:00:32 (permalink)
    BIOS is up to date ?
     
     
    BSOD Windows 7 & STOP: & 0x0000000000000019 (0X0000000000000000, 0xFFFFF88003164180)
     
    Lifewire:
    How to Fix a Blue Screen of Death
     
    List of Blue Screen Error Codes
     
    Microsoft:
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    Debugging Tools for Windows (WinDbg, KD, CDB, NTSD)
     
    Crash dump analysis using the Windows debuggers (WinDbg)
     

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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/09 08:02:11 (permalink)
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    0x00000101 could mean your cpu needs more voltage. Boosting your vcore may get rid of the issue.


    +1
     
    Have you adjusted this ?
     
    System OC ?
     
    Test with OC removed
     
    RAM Voltage - set to Mfg recommended V ? - bump up 1 or to steps ?
     
    Is Win 7 - SP1 with All updates ?
     
    Under device Manager --> Do you have More than 1 Sound driver ?
     
    If your MB or add-on sound card have there own driver -- Do Not load the Nvidia sound driver also !  Having multiple sound driver or even old driver is the cause of many crashes.

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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/09 12:05:24 (permalink)
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    0x00000101 could mean your cpu needs more voltage. Boosting your vcore may get rid of the issue.


    +1
     
    Have you adjusted this ? 
     
    System OC ?
     
    Test with OC removed
     
    RAM Voltage - set to Mfg recommended V ? - bump up 1 or to steps ?
     
    Is Win 7 - SP1 with All updates ?
     
    Under device Manager --> Do you have More than 1 Sound driver ?
     
    If your MB or add-on sound card have there own driver -- Do Not load the Nvidia sound driver also !  Having multiple sound driver or even old driver is the cause of many crashes.




    No I haven't tried to OC my CPU I'm not confident enough to try and cant afford to replace it if i mess up.
     
    No OC on system outside the 770 SC
     
    I don't know how to OC lol Ram or otherwise.
     
    All win 7 updates are install including SP1
     
    Sound drivers are default, Each time it try to install Realtek drivers my system will BSOD so I haven't ever installed them again.
     
    I do custom installs for Video Drivers and do not add the HD Audio drivers, Only Physx and Display drivers. 
     
    I don't run a sound card, just Mobo 
     
    Also , I flashed my Bio's a long time ago with the latest x-58 , 2011 on The Evga's services/drivers-bios section.
    -- unless i need to flash them again after a new win7 install , i could do it agian but flashing my bio's is always nail biting lol.
     
     
    Thanks for the links I will look into them. I do have a question tho would a reinstall of win7 and Iam going to re-seat of all Ram/cables and power cables be a good idea to troubleshoot just to check off loss components?


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    Re: Computer BSOD After Fresh Win 7 install and Brand new HD's Looking for help :) 2017/12/09 12:20:46 (permalink)
    Would confirm all your drivers are up to date.
     
    http://www.glarysoft.com   (free version) will scan your system for out of date
     
    X58 had a memory adjustment in BIOS to use the RAM in a certain way -- can't quit remember
     
    Check this old X58 thread https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/81651
     
    Interesting stuff about OC and BSOD --> worth a once over

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