bmgjet
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 289
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2015/06/26 06:14:07
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 9
Can we please get a bios update to correct this cards performance. I thought I just had a dud of a card since just plugging it in and running it stock it only boosts up to 1690mhz at 75C when playing Control. Iv been messaging with a few people now and all theres are the same, You have to move that power slider all the way up and it gets it to 1725-1755mhz. You shouldnt need to use 105% power limiter to just get it to the advertised clock speeds. 350W just isnt enough for these cards. The starting power limit should be 370W with adjustment to 105/106% power limit (390W). This would bring it inline with its competing products from the other brands. Or even better yet if you wanted to increase your stats in the steam hardware survays all youd need to do is release a 370W bios with a slider to 108% (400W). Then youd have people with 2 plug cards cross flashing that bios which would show up as more EVGA cards in the hardware survay which is a win win for every one. Heres the difference in using a Bios that isnt gimping the card. You actually get 3090 performance instead of getting just high end 3080 type performance.
post edited by bmgjet - 2020/10/04 21:40:20
Attached Image(s)
|
Talon2020
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 300
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2016/05/26 12:17:13
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 3
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/04 22:21:47
(permalink)
bmgjet
Can we please get a bios update to correct this cards performance.
I thought I just had a dud of a card since just plugging it in and running it stock it only boosts up to 1690mhz at 75C when playing Control.
Iv been messaging with a few people now and all theres are the same, You have to move that power slider all the way up and it gets it to 1725-1755mhz.
You shouldnt need to use 105% power limiter to just get it to the advertised clock speeds.
350W just isnt enough for these cards.
The starting power limit should be 370W with adjustment to 105/106% power limit (390W). This would bring it inline with its competing products from the other brands.
Or even better yet if you wanted to increase your stats in the steam hardware survays all youd need to do is release a 370W bios with a slider to 108% (400W).
Then youd have people with 2 plug cards cross flashing that bios which would show up as more EVGA cards in the hardware survay which is a win win for every one.
Heres the difference in using a Bios that isnt gimping the card.
You actually get 3090 performance instead of getting just high end 3080 type performance.
Wow that is a low score. I assume that is stock? No adjustment to power limit or fans?
i9 13900K | EVGA Z690 DARK | NVIDIA RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 8000 CL36 SK Hynix A-Die | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1000 P6 | LG C1 55 OLED 4K 120Hz G-Sync
|
bmgjet
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 289
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2015/06/26 06:14:07
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 9
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/04 22:33:10
(permalink)
Power limiter set to max on both runs. So 366W on the EVGA bios and 390W on the GB bios. Its even worse with stock power limit. To the point where it might as well of been a 3080. It just sits 100% of the time on powerlimiter at 350W which is so low the card doesnt even really get hot.
Attached Image(s)
|
bmgjet
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 289
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2015/06/26 06:14:07
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 9
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/04 22:42:15
(permalink)
Just some rough maths off the top of my head.
100% stock run
17235 350W
6% for 5% more power
18258 366W (power slider maxed)
14% for 11% more power
20810 390W (GB Bios power slider maxed)
The specs for 8pin pci-e plug is 150W. Spec for pci-e slot is 75W.
So theres no reason not to atelast have 375W.
|
Talon2020
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 300
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2016/05/26 12:17:13
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 3
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/04 22:50:49
(permalink)
bmgjet
Power limiter set to max on both runs.
So 366W on the EVGA bios and 390W on the GB bios.
Its even worse with stock power limit.
To the point where it might as well of been a 3080.
It just sits 100% of the time on powerlimiter at 350W which is so low the card doesnt even really get hot.
Ouch. 3090 Max-Q Edition. bmgjet
Just some rough maths off the top of my head.
100% stock run
17235 350W
6% for 5% more power
18258 366W (power slider maxed)
14% for 11% more power
20810 390W (GB Bios power slider maxed)
The specs for 8pin pci-e plug is 150W. Spec for pci-e slot is 75W.
So theres no reason not to atelast have 375W.
I said the same thing to them about the RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra. It's locked down at 330w with blips to 340ish watts. The power slider on that card did absolutely nothing even though it went to 108%. I brought it up here and was never answered by EVGA. It's confusing and misleading for customers and no reviewers touched on it. I'm not sure why you include a PWL slider if at 108% it's the same limit as 100%. The GPU vBIOS stated 366w max in GPU-Z reading but it NEVER achieved that. I ended up flipping that card locally and buying a 3080 FTW3 Ultra which can pull upwards of 417w max recorded by GPU-Z for me.
post edited by Talon2020 - 2020/10/04 22:57:02
i9 13900K | EVGA Z690 DARK | NVIDIA RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 8000 CL36 SK Hynix A-Die | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1000 P6 | LG C1 55 OLED 4K 120Hz G-Sync
|
rjohnson11
EVGA Forum Moderator
- Total Posts : 102300
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2004/10/05 12:44:35
- Location: Netherlands
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 84
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/04 22:56:56
(permalink)
Can you please post all of your system specs to include make and model of PSU and whether any components (memory, CPU) are overclocked?
|
bmgjet
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 289
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2015/06/26 06:14:07
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 9
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/04 23:31:44
(permalink)
The power slider works, In afterburner atleast,
Stock peak power in GPUZ is recorded as 351W,
Power slider at 105% peak recorded is 366W.
Parts in my computer.
EVGA Supernova 1000 T2 1000W PSU,
Asus Strix X299-e Gaming Mobo
i9 7900X (Overclocked to 4.9ghz, Dropping clocks just makes cpu score worse been there and tried that already. Even tried new windows install.)
Quad channel (4 sticks) 3200mhz 32GB Ram. XMP Profile.
The power limiter is 100% the issue, As can be seen by the scaling with performance when raising it.
Its obviously a high leakage chip and starving for more power, Performance is fine and what I expected for a 3090 when using 390W on it.
At 366W its underperforming since it just sits 100% of the time on powerlimiter with clocks throttling right down.
I can point the other guys iv been talking to post up on here if you need more confirmation. Two of them are already on the forum and can be seen in the 3090 xc3 underperforming in timespy thread thats active.
A offical bios would be nice for us. Since as it stands now you have to void your warranty and use the gigabyte bios to get to 3090 performance.
|
arestavo
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 6916
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/02/06 06:58:57
- Location: Through the Scary Door
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 76
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/05 08:26:34
(permalink)
Looking at the GPU score and not the CPU/overall, my very best air cooled Time Spy score with my 3090 FTW3 Ultra (480W VBIOS) is just under 1000 points higher compared to the OPs higher watt VBIOS score. I'd say everything is working fine, and to not expect miracles if you don't try higher power limits on obviously power limited cards.
|
Satsugai7
New Member
- Total Posts : 34
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2016/05/27 16:20:49
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 1
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/05 13:43:39
(permalink)
Have you tried undervolting your 3090? You'll see lower overall power utilization, higher clocks, and lower temps. What your curve looks like is obviously something that requires tinkering, but you might be able to solve your problem this way, as the power limits are unlikely to be "fixed" given how the cards were designed. My example: https://imgur.com/a/oJ1jBQx Higher clocks vs stock at lower temps and lower power draw. In this example I'm no longer hitting the power limit or even coming close. Your card's power limit is different, obviously so YMMV. Youtube video with walkthrough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sClh4270yg0b
|
blaise
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 291
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/03/10 21:48:56
- Location: Sydney, Australia
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 5
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/05 14:39:40
(permalink)
JayzTwoCents said there is a bug in Precision X1 which can be worked around (can't remember the video he stated this in). Up the slider, save the settings to a slot, close Precision, reopen Precision and load the save slot. I believe Jacob knows about this and EVGA is working on a fix.
|
bmgjet
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 289
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2015/06/26 06:14:07
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 9
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/05 16:50:45
(permalink)
For gaming I have the curve flatten from 1V+ so it never uses more then 1V since in games it just ramps right up to 1.080V and then throttles right back down to 0.8V over and over VS setting that limit it goes up to 1V then bounces between that and 0.95V. Gamers nexus did a video where he said power the fans externally and unplugged the RGB was good for 500 points since your losing about 8W to those things. Sure enough doing that gained me about 500 more points. Just shows even more so that 390W isnt enough either. Ill keep my figures cross that they release a updated bios with higher power limits since I dont want to be stuck on the Gigabyte one just to make there card competitives in the 2 plug cards. That and they need to fix the bios for the fans. If you get the card down to 25C then the middle fan stops spinning and makes a clicking sound as it trys to move every 500-1000 ms. Other wise ill just have to shunt mod it when my water block arrives in 2 weeks. That got my 1080ti black from being middle of the pack to hanging with the top end cards.
Attached Image(s)
|
transdogmifier
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 6116
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2003/09/05 14:26:21
- Location: Orlando, Fl
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 17
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/05 17:21:52
(permalink)
I just ran the test on mine....got 17550....with the below system, which I think is inline with what it should be...
Tho to be honest I'm not sure.
AMD Ryzen 7900x3d Deepcool LT720 Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX X670 (Might change..don't like this board) eVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming (Hybrid kit on it) Asus ROG Swift PG43UQ 4k Monitor eVGA 1600W Supernova T2 PSU 32GB Kingston 6000 DDR5 (2x16GB) Fury Corsair MP600 Pro 2TB (Boot) Corsair MP600 2TB (Games/Data) Phanteks P500A Case
|
bmgjet
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 289
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2015/06/26 06:14:07
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 9
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/05 21:16:58
(permalink)
You have to go off the graphics score not the total since the CPU will effect that massivly.
Which from all the reviewers.
2 plug cards should be score 19500 in stock form and pushing over 20000 with a overclock. (thats on the 370W cards)
3 plug cards should be scoring 20500 in stock form and pushing over 21000 with a overclock (thats on 420W cards)
So adjust that powerlimit down to 350W from 370W is like 6%.
You should be getting like 18300 on a XC3 Ultra.
Which is inline with the 18258 I get when completely stock, Which makes it one of the slowest 3090s you can get.
Which would be ok if they advertised the boost as 1695mhz on the XC3 Ultra because thats all it gets with the power limiter being so low.
1725mhz needs over 350W.
So there is no point paying more for the XC3 Ultra over the XC3 Gaming when its just going to clock the same due to the power limiter.
There needs to be a 370W bios update for the XC3 Ultra.
|
transdogmifier
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 6116
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2003/09/05 14:26:21
- Location: Orlando, Fl
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 17
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/06 05:19:02
(permalink)
Graphics is 19564, so slightly less than your (not saying your wrong here..just saying "going by your numbers") assertion that it should be 20500...
Not sure then what the issue is..tho I can say that the card works in my games quite well..I think the drivers kind of suck right now.
Would be nice to see a better BIOS tho ..(and btw, everything is stock...I haven't OC'd the card or the CPU. no need to..Everything looks great to me...)
AMD Ryzen 7900x3d Deepcool LT720 Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX X670 (Might change..don't like this board) eVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming (Hybrid kit on it) Asus ROG Swift PG43UQ 4k Monitor eVGA 1600W Supernova T2 PSU 32GB Kingston 6000 DDR5 (2x16GB) Fury Corsair MP600 Pro 2TB (Boot) Corsair MP600 2TB (Games/Data) Phanteks P500A Case
|
kevinc313
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 5004
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2019/02/28 09:27:55
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 22
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/06 07:04:19
(permalink)
bmgjet
Can we please get a bios update to correct this cards performance.
I thought I just had a dud of a card since just plugging it in and running it stock it only boosts up to 1690mhz at 75C when playing Control.
Iv been messaging with a few people now and all theres are the same, You have to move that power slider all the way up and it gets it to 1725-1755mhz.
You shouldnt need to use 105% power limiter to just get it to the advertised clock speeds.
350W just isnt enough for these cards.
The starting power limit should be 370W with adjustment to 105/106% power limit (390W). This would bring it inline with its competing products from the other brands.
Or even better yet if you wanted to increase your stats in the steam hardware survays all youd need to do is release a 370W bios with a slider to 108% (400W).
Then youd have people with 2 plug cards cross flashing that bios which would show up as more EVGA cards in the hardware survay which is a win win for every one.
Heres the difference in using a Bios that isnt gimping the card.
You actually get 3090 performance instead of getting just high end 3080 type performance.
Try to get the temps down, you're wasting 30mhz of clock with Boost 4.0 at 75C vs. 60C.
|
kevinc313
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 5004
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2019/02/28 09:27:55
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 22
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/06 07:06:02
(permalink)
bmgjet
For gaming I have the curve flatten from 1V+ so it never uses more then 1V since in games it just ramps right up to 1.080V and then throttles right back down to 0.8V over and over VS setting that limit it goes up to 1V then bounces between that and 0.95V.
Gamers nexus did a video where he said power the fans externally and unplugged the RGB was good for 500 points since your losing about 8W to those things.
Sure enough doing that gained me about 500 more points. Just shows even more so that 390W isnt enough either.
Ill keep my figures cross that they release a updated bios with higher power limits since I dont want to be stuck on the Gigabyte one just to make there card competitives in the 2 plug cards.
That and they need to fix the bios for the fans. If you get the card down to 25C then the middle fan stops spinning and makes a clicking sound as it trys to move every 500-1000 ms.
Other wise ill just have to shunt mod it when my water block arrives in 2 weeks. That got my 1080ti black from being middle of the pack to hanging with the top end cards.
I've been seeing multiple reports that the cards clock well at low voltage.
|
arestavo
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 6916
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/02/06 06:58:57
- Location: Through the Scary Door
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 76
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/06 09:06:22
(permalink)
I tried manually tweaking with my voltage curve and was able to achieve over 14100 points in Port Royal (and I accidentally deleted that score) with the 3090 FTW3 Ultra's stock 450W OC VBIOS. That's actually really close to the 14198 that my previous max was on a 480W Strix OC VBIOS.
Basically I set my max boost at 1.1V at around 2080MHz or so (2080MHz being the max clock that I've seen), and stepped it slowly down from there until about 900mV at 1900MHz or so. This was in MSI Afterburner, and I didn't see a way to do it within PX1 other than the auto OC which isn't quite the same.
I did go back to my old offset OC though, as I didn't want to go through multiple stability tests to see if it was 100% stable.
|
bmgjet
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 289
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2015/06/26 06:14:07
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 9
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/06 16:33:38
(permalink)
kevinc313
bmgjet
Can we please get a bios update to correct this cards performance.
I thought I just had a dud of a card since just plugging it in and running it stock it only boosts up to 1690mhz at 75C when playing Control.
Iv been messaging with a few people now and all theres are the same, You have to move that power slider all the way up and it gets it to 1725-1755mhz.
You shouldnt need to use 105% power limiter to just get it to the advertised clock speeds.
350W just isnt enough for these cards.
The starting power limit should be 370W with adjustment to 105/106% power limit (390W). This would bring it inline with its competing products from the other brands.
Or even better yet if you wanted to increase your stats in the steam hardware survays all youd need to do is release a 370W bios with a slider to 108% (400W).
Then youd have people with 2 plug cards cross flashing that bios which would show up as more EVGA cards in the hardware survay which is a win win for every one.
Heres the difference in using a Bios that isnt gimping the card.
You actually get 3090 performance instead of getting just high end 3080 type performance.
Try to get the temps down, you're wasting 30mhz of clock with Boost 4.0 at 75C vs. 60C.
Temps are low 40C. Iv fixed mine anyway. 2X 9Mohm Shunt mods and now im placed 60th on 3dmarks leader board instead of being in the bottom scores for a 3090. Big gains to be made up to 460W then deminishing results after that. That results in 8fps more in Control the foundation, 6fps more in Rust, 7fps more in tomb raider over the stock bios. The frame lows being the biggest thing. Since it doesnt downclock massivly. So really the take away is. If you get this card. Expect it to be slower then advertised at stock. Moving the power limiter all the way up will get it to advertised speeds in medium load, heavy loads will still drop it below advertised boost. Putting Gigabyte gaming oc bios on it and maxing power slider out to 390W will give it a 14% performance uplift. (basically get you to 3090 performance from being upper 3080 level performance) Hardware mod it will give you another 5% ontop of that.
|
Kupodesu
New Member
- Total Posts : 100
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2020/09/14 12:29:03
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 0
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/06 18:32:34
(permalink)
So if I just plan to watercool the card, do I need to get an FTW or is an XC3 just as good on water?
|
Kupodesu
New Member
- Total Posts : 100
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2020/09/14 12:29:03
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 0
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/06 18:37:02
(permalink)
I really hope we can greet now attention to this. The XC3 shouldn't be worse for no reason
|
bmgjet
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 289
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2015/06/26 06:14:07
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 9
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/06 18:54:18
(permalink)
If your getting a EVGA card, id recommend the FTW at the minimum.
The XC3 range is way too gimped with its power limit, It only gets around the high end 3080 performance and to currently fix that you need to flash another bios and void the warranty then it gets around the same performance as the other entry level 3090's.
It needs to be hardware modded to get it to high end 3090 performance so unless you like messing around with that stuff and have no care for a warranty your better off starting with a high end card.
|
aardvark1134
Superclocked Member
- Total Posts : 122
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2013/11/02 01:31:37
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 0
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/06 19:05:26
(permalink)
bmgjet
Just some rough maths off the top of my head.
100% stock run
17235 350W
6% for 5% more power
18258 366W (power slider maxed)
14% for 11% more power
20810 390W (GB Bios power slider maxed)
The specs for 8pin pci-e plug is 150W. Spec for pci-e slot is 75W.
So theres no reason not to atelast have 375W.
Pulling 75w through the pcie slot has a good chance of killing your MB. We have known even before launch on the 3080 let alone the 3090 that if you want to OC you should get the 3x8pin.
Associate Code: XSFS5KM9FAHNVOC 
|
bmgjet
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 289
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2015/06/26 06:14:07
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 9
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/06 19:20:07
(permalink)
aardvark1134
Pulling 75w through the pcie slot has a good chance of killing your MB.
uuummmmmm just no. To even have a motherboard get approved as having a pci-e 3.0 slot it needs to meet the minimum spec of being able to supply 75W. Then there was that AMD RX 580 that was pulling 109W though it not that long ago and no motherboards ever died. Yeah thats extereme and thats why they released a update to drop that down to 88W, but 75W will never kill a board. If you want to see what it really takes to blow the motherboard have a look at der8uers video on it. His low end board he was testing took 277W before it blew out the VRMs that had no cooling on them, Then on a high end mining board it took 600W to blow it.
|
Drwaffles
New Member
- Total Posts : 95
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2015/12/29 14:57:48
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 0
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/06 21:04:39
(permalink)
I'm a little confused by people buying entry level boarderline reference cards, and then complaining about the performance?
We always knew the founders was going to be better than reference.
Or have I just missed something? Was a specific level of performance promised somewhere?
|
bmgjet
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 289
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2015/06/26 06:14:07
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 9
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/06 22:02:08
(permalink)
Drwaffles
I'm a little confused by people buying entry level boarderline reference cards, and then complaining about the performance?
We always knew the founders was going to be better than reference.
Or have I just missed something? Was a specific level of performance promised somewhere?
Box says 1725mhz boost. Card only does peak boosts up to 1695mhz because of power limiter. (same power limiter they used on the black and gaming card which only advertise 1695mhz). More often with full RTX loads it will be 1599-1625mhz. They only time you see the 1725mhz is when your on light loads like watching a youtube video. (its a factory overclocked card thats why your paying extra but it doesnt reach its factory overclock because they are too tight on the factory power limiter.) You have to go raise the power limiter to just get what it advertises on the box. But even then the power limit is still too tight and its under whats advertised most the time. A simple bios update which allows for 375W would fix that and get XC3 Ultra customers the performance they paid for by keeping the clocks at or above whats advertised. I dont know why any one would be against that. Either way it doesnt bother me anymore, Iv got it water cooled and hardware modded to get the performance Im happy with. I just wanted to share my finding and info along the way, And hopefully help out other XC3 Ultra owners.
|
GimliSonOfGLoin
New Member
- Total Posts : 16
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2017/11/30 16:40:38
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 0
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/11 20:00:36
(permalink)
To be honest I think something may be wrong with your card because my 3090 XC3 Ultra Gaming boosts up to 1935 MHz on stock everything. All I did was max up the power and temp target in Precision. Didn't even overclock it. My bottleneck is power and I'm running at spikes of up to 130% of normalized TDP. 18,172 graphics score in Time Spy. Did you connect two different cables from your GPU to the card instead of two connectors off of one cable? You need two different cables to bring enough power to the card. Download HWInfo64 and, in the GPU performance limit section, it'll tell you what's bottlenecking the GPU.
post edited by GimliSonOfGLoin - 2020/10/11 20:26:58
Attached Image(s)
|
jankerson
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 901
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2017/07/13 06:50:53
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 1
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/11 20:14:21
(permalink)
Drwaffles
I'm a little confused by people buying entry level boarderline reference cards, and then complaining about the performance?
We always knew the founders was going to be better than reference.
Or have I just missed something? Was a specific level of performance promised somewhere?
They do every generation, and I mean every one of them so it is nothing new... And it's not just with the EVGA cards either...  You could go back in time and copy and paste the posts as they would be the same. Bottom line is if you want top performance get the FTW cards. The cooling isn't as good as the FTW cards. The clocks are lower. The power limit is lower. The PCBs are reference. I suppose people think they just charge more for the FTW cards just because...
post edited by jankerson - 2020/10/11 20:23:00
i9 9900K @ 5.0 GHz, NH D15, 32 GB GSKILL Trident Z RGB, AORUS Z390 MASTER, EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB, Samsung 860 EVO 1TB, Samsung 860 EVO 500GB, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, Steel Series APEX PRO, Logitech Gaming Pro Mouse, CM Master Case 5, Corsair AXI 1600W. i7 8086K, AORUS Z370 Gaming 5, 16GB GSKILL RJV 3200, EVGA 2080TI FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB, (2)SAMSUNG 860 EVO 500 GB, Acer Predator XB1 XB271HU, Corsair HXI 850W. i7 8700K, AORUS Z370 Ultra Gaming, 16GB 16GB DDR4 3000, EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 960 EVO 250GB, Corsair HX 850W.
|
bmgjet
iCX Member
- Total Posts : 289
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2015/06/26 06:14:07
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 9
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/11 20:22:44
(permalink)
jankerson
They do every generation, and I mean every one of them so it is nothing new...
You could go back in time and copy and paste the posts as they would be the same.
Bottom line is if you want top performance get the FTW cards.
The cooling isn't as good as the FTW cards.
The clocks are lower.
The power limit is lower.
The PCBs are reference.
I suppose people think they just charge more for the FTW cards just because...
Difference this time is your not getting whats advertised. I had a 2080ti black, it boosted above what was advertsied. Also had a 1080ti black and it boosted above what was advertised. Got the Ultra this gen and it didnt reach whats advertised. And neither are others until they flash a higher power limit bios on to it. GimliSonOfGLoin
To be honest I think something may be wrong with your card because my 3090 XC3 Ultra Gaming boosts up to 1935 MHz on stock everything. All I did was max up the power and temp target in Precision. Didn't even overclock it. My bottleneck is power and I'm running at spikes of up to 130% of normalized TDP.
Did you connect two different cables from your GPU to the card instead of two connectors off of one cable? You need two different cables to bring enough power to the card.
Download HWInfo64 and, in the GPU performance limit section, it'll tell you what's bottlenecking the GPU.
Power Limits the only thing that was bottlenecking it. As can be seen from what I posted when using higher power limit bios and then shunt modding it. Jump on the Overclocks net forum and punch your data in the full load and substained clocks spread sheet (Has to be full load so something thats loading RTX stuff and cores to 100% since any ones card will boost up over 2ghz if the load is less then 70%). Youll be the first out of 13 people now on there with a XC3 Ultra that actually gets whats advertised on the box. Atleast its not as bad as the Ventus 3X OC guys with there max power limit of 350W. Theres 15 of them and none of them are even close to reaching advertised clocks until flashing the bios.
|
jankerson
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 901
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2017/07/13 06:50:53
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 1
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/11 20:30:13
(permalink)
bmgjet
jankerson
They do every generation, and I mean every one of them so it is nothing new...
You could go back in time and copy and paste the posts as they would be the same.
Bottom line is if you want top performance get the FTW cards.
The cooling isn't as good as the FTW cards.
The clocks are lower.
The power limit is lower.
The PCBs are reference.
I suppose people think they just charge more for the FTW cards just because...
Difference this time is your not getting whats advertised.
I had a 2080ti black, it boosted above what was advertsied.
Also had a 1080ti black and it boosted above what was advertised.
Got the Ultra this gen and it didnt reach whats advertised. And neither are others until they flash a higher power limit bios on to it.
But they are... Right on the web page... In the specs. 350W Power Limit... Push the slider over it goes higher... But not more than 375W. 1725 Boost clock... (If they are running it at 75C it will be lower...) It is a 2x 8 Pin card.... MAX 375W... 150W + 150W for the 2X 8 Pin + 75W from the PCIe Slot. 
post edited by jankerson - 2020/10/11 20:54:24
i9 9900K @ 5.0 GHz, NH D15, 32 GB GSKILL Trident Z RGB, AORUS Z390 MASTER, EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB, Samsung 860 EVO 1TB, Samsung 860 EVO 500GB, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, Steel Series APEX PRO, Logitech Gaming Pro Mouse, CM Master Case 5, Corsair AXI 1600W. i7 8086K, AORUS Z370 Gaming 5, 16GB GSKILL RJV 3200, EVGA 2080TI FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB, (2)SAMSUNG 860 EVO 500 GB, Acer Predator XB1 XB271HU, Corsair HXI 850W. i7 8700K, AORUS Z370 Ultra Gaming, 16GB 16GB DDR4 3000, EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 960 EVO 250GB, Corsair HX 850W.
|
Celeras
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 876
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2010/01/07 19:19:40
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 3
Re: Can we get a bios update to fix the 3090 XC3 Ultra's performance.
2020/10/11 21:20:00
(permalink)
This has absolutely nothing to do with FTW versus XC, because FTW cards have the exact same issue. All eVGA cards are currently benefitting GREATLY from flashing BIOS from their competitors. Everyone over at OCN is flashing their 3080 FTW3s with the Asus Strix Bios. That is just wrong and needs to be corrected. For those on the outside looking in, my 3080 XC3 Ultra gets 18825 for the GPU score on Time Spy. There's no excuse for the score OP shows with his 3090 on the stock BIOS.
 If I helped you in some way, or you just think I'm awesome.. please use my associate code! It gives you a discount 
|