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Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )?

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2019/02/21 10:56:08 (permalink)
Hello. I have a question about Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage, called VCORE,screen:
 

 
 
 
 
 
My 9900K is OCed to 5ghz, in 5G OC PROFILE.I was getting WHEA logger 19 , when running RealBench and sometimes in Metro Exodus.
So i bumped Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage ( VCORE ) to 1.31v and no wheas in event logs.
 
Memory:2x16 GB DDR4 3000MHZ GSKILL XMP
Mb: Asus Prime Z390-A
 
My question. Can i left Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage on 1.31v with memory XMP1 3000mhz like actually?
 
Somebody said that i cant raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage without overclocking memory.

"You shouldn't need to bump it up with 3000 MT/s memory unless you're also overclocking the memory."  Thx
post edited by tmmy34 - 2019/02/21 10:58:09

Pc:
9900K 5ghz ( llc level 5 idle 1.34-1.35v,load 1.313-323v)
2x16GB DDR4 GSKILL 3000mhz
Asus Prime Z390-A
Corsair 850RmX
Rtx 2080 Ti Aorus
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/21 12:38:28 (permalink)
    Your 9900k at 5.0ghz and 1.31v seems normal. But I would recommend watching temps and checking actual voltages during loads with HWmonitor (bench/stress tests) to get a real values and those values will depend on load line calibration set in bios. Asus users seem to use a value of 6 I believe, but check around on that. I'd also look into using an adaptive value. As the core clock clocks down at idle, so does the core voltage.
     
    Running 3000Mhz memory is overclocking the memory technically. Default is 2133Mhz.
     
    Core voltage is a separate setting compared to memory voltage. Your core as you say is targeted to 1.31v but your memory will more then likely be at 1.35v which is normal.
     
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/21 16:02:25 (permalink)
    ok thank you:]

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    2x16GB DDR4 GSKILL 3000mhz
    Asus Prime Z390-A
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/21 19:35:01 (permalink)

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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/23 08:01:48 (permalink)
    Last question,i promise.
     
     I oc my cpu due to click: Asus 5ghz Oc profile. Then i apply XMP profile. Memory GSKILL 32GB 3000mhz.
    But i saw that in UEFI CPU core/cache voltage was on the left : 0.935 and on right ( AUTO ).
    So for stability i manually raise voltage to 1.3. My question is ,that this option PROFILE 5GHZ OC not changing voltage or what?

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    2x16GB DDR4 GSKILL 3000mhz
    Asus Prime Z390-A
    Corsair 850RmX
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/23 09:07:39 (permalink)
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    Last question,i promise.
     
     I oc my cpu due to click: Asus 5ghz Oc profile. Then i apply XMP profile. Memory GSKILL 32GB 3000mhz.
    But i saw that in UEFI CPU core/cache voltage was on the left : 0.935 and on right ( AUTO ).
    So for stability i manually raise voltage to 1.3. My question is ,that this option PROFILE 5GHZ OC not changing voltage or what?


     
    I would take a solid guess that the profile is adding voltage to Vcore for the OC. Also, setting XMP profile will apply voltages for memory OC (default at 2133mhz is 1.2v) to 1.35v (<---Solid guess). The XMP may as change the voltages on the CPU VCIO and VSSA to higher then needed values. Here are the voltages you should look for and the recommended values I'd use.
     
    *CPU Vcore - 1.30-1.32v <---- Will need to check the LLC (Load Line Calibration) value and adjust for Vdroop/Vdrop. Maybe set to Auto with Profile selected.
    CPU VCIO - 1.20v <---- starting point. At 3000Mhz memory, you maybe able to lower it to say 1.05v. Default value is 0.950v normally with no OC.
    CPU VSSA - 1.20v <----starting point. At 3000Mhz memory, you maybe able to lower it to say 1.10v. Default value is 1.05v normally with no OC.
    Mem Voltage - 1.35v <--- Normal OC'd DDR4 voltage and would just make sure this is the value.
     
    *For CPU core voltage, set above values, download CineBench and HWmonitor(<-- good for checking lots of system temps/info):
     
    https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/cinebench-15-download.html
     
    https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/hwinfo64-download.html
     
    Open HWmonitor and look for a sensor named VR VOUT. This is the voltage being applied to the CPU. I found on my Gigabyte Z390 Master, this value reads lower then CPUZ reads. Now open and run Cinebench CPU test and watch temps and Vcore and see how far it drops under load. My 9900k when using set Vcore will drop from a set value of 1.32v down to 1.26-1.27v under load. This is the Vdroop/Vdrop. This lower voltage value is what you need to watch. Some people's 9900K's need to be at 1.29v or slightly higher under load. This is where that LLC value comes in. if you set voltage to say 1.31v and its dropping to 1.25v Vcore under load and you have lockups or BSOD, I would raise the LLC value up one. I thought I seen Asus users using level 6 the most as a point of reference.
     
    Important note, you don't need/want your Vcore to go over 1.40v. At 5.0Ghz you really shouldn't need any more then 1.32v I would guess.
     
    Little video I found that may guide you through the process better,
     
    https://www.newegg.com/insider/z390-9th-gen-cpus-a-step-by-step-in-depth-overclocking-guide/
     
    Hope this helps a little,
     
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/23 09:22:08 (permalink)
    I ask because after applying Asus 5G OC PROFILE i applied XMP profile. But under load in REALBENCH i had whea enteries 19.
    So went to UEFI and i met that option:"CPU core/cache voltage was on the left : 0.950 and on right ( AUTO )." <-- screen 1 post.
     
    So i manually enter 1.3V and no wheas. So thats why i ask. That profile enter automatically lower voltage than i entered?
    post edited by tmmy34 - 2019/02/23 09:24:58

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    9900K 5ghz ( llc level 5 idle 1.34-1.35v,load 1.313-323v)
    2x16GB DDR4 GSKILL 3000mhz
    Asus Prime Z390-A
    Corsair 850RmX
    Rtx 2080 Ti Aorus
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/23 09:42:16 (permalink)
    Profile maybe using lower value then what you’re setting but if the profile is using a lower LLC value then this will cause Vcore to drop below stable voltage with your CPU.

    So say profile is setting a value for Vcore of 1.29v but under load Vcore is dropping to say 1.25v, maybe causing your issue. So you raise 1.29v to 1.31v and now Vcore will droop to 1.27v now since you added 0.02v. That maybe a stable voltage for your CPU.
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/23 09:47:34 (permalink)
    I enter manual in uefi to 1.31v.  CPU core/cache voltage

    During cinebench and realbench,cpuz fluctuating core is :1.305v-1.315v and i no have wheas, so keep it?

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    2x16GB DDR4 GSKILL 3000mhz
    Asus Prime Z390-A
    Corsair 850RmX
    Rtx 2080 Ti Aorus
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/23 10:30:16 (permalink)
    As long as core temps are good, I’d try and limit to 80-85*C max for core temps, then yea you should be good on Vcore voltage. You could try and lower Vcore down to 1.30v and re-test for stability. This will help lower temps. Shoot for the lowest voltage you can with no errors.

    I would still advise to check the VCIO and VSSA voltages as auto values will set these too high and can shorten CPU life....
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/23 10:41:59 (permalink)
    Ok but if temps in gaming 75C max ( AC:ODDYSSEY ) and no wheas so keep that settings like actually ? :) ^_^

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    2x16GB DDR4 GSKILL 3000mhz
    Asus Prime Z390-A
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/23 11:01:10 (permalink)
    75*C for gaming is a little on the warm side for gaming.... For benchmarks or stress testing, that’s fine. For gaming, I’d aim for no more then ~60*C...

    This will depend on what cooler you are using and how well it will cool the 9900k. What temps are you seeing under real bench for max values..???
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/23 11:05:35 (permalink)
    Ah somebody said this to me:"
    Personally, I don't recommend leaving the voltage on auto. I've always felt that it ends up raising the voltage far higher than it needs to be. I've seen the voltage go as high as 1.43V when on auto. This consumer a lot more power than needed, produces more heat, and puts a lot of wear and tear on the CPU.Set CPU voltage manually. Try starting at 1.4V and find your maximum stable clockspeed. Then slowly start stepping down the voltage to the lowest stable voltage you can get." 
     
     
    So i manually enter 1.3V and no wheas. Its almost impossible that after applying profile was 1.4v on auto ,if on 1.3v no have wheas.

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    2x16GB DDR4 GSKILL 3000mhz
    Asus Prime Z390-A
    Corsair 850RmX
    Rtx 2080 Ti Aorus
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/26 13:17:20 (permalink)
    Ok i make at start new overclock manually ( not automatic ) and lower voltage like 1.300v and its stable and have -5C lower degrees :)
    All fine. So thanks for replies and help. Anyway voltage is fluctuating 1.296v-1305v . Load line calibration level 6. :)

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    9900K 5ghz ( llc level 5 idle 1.34-1.35v,load 1.313-323v)
    2x16GB DDR4 GSKILL 3000mhz
    Asus Prime Z390-A
    Corsair 850RmX
    Rtx 2080 Ti Aorus
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    Re: Can i raise Cpu Core/ Cache Voltage in 9900K 5ghz when memory is on 3000Mhz ( XMP )? 2019/02/28 01:32:05 (permalink)
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    Ok i make at start new overclock manually ( not automatic ) and lower voltage like 1.300v and its stable and have -5C lower degrees :)
    All fine. So thanks for replies and help. Anyway voltage is fluctuating 1.296v-1305v . Load line calibration level 6. :)


    Glad I could help you out and happy to hear you reduced temps a bit.

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