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2019/04/15 19:26:10 (permalink)
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So I recently had my gtx 1080ti ftw3 pissed on by my cat. I had an open case and I left my door open and this cat took the chance and striked. He peed over the ram and motherboard and the pee dripped onto the card. I cleaned up the card with 91% alcohol. I took the back plate off and cleaned under the thermal pads and cleaned off the pee for the most part. I put the card back in a day later and it turned on but about 5 mins later, I lost signal and it wouldn’t turn on. That being said I tried changing cables and monitors and it’s certainly not the motherboard. The fans turn on and stop and the leds are still on when I turn on the pc as well. Is there a way to salvage this?
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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/15 23:02:30 (permalink)
    Hey,
     
    Imho your best bet is to give your card a bath of 99% pure isopropyl alcohol and rub everywhere with a toothbrush. Do the same to any component (motherboard, ect...) if you have any doubt about it to be perfectly clean.
     
    Isopropyl alcohol evaporates quickly so buy enough, do it in a well aerated place and cover your eyes.
     
    If this still doesn't work you might try to find a place where someone can do an ultrasonic cleaning for you as a last resort.
     
    Do it asap because the longer you wait, the faster corrosion can progress on the components.
     
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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/15 23:48:44 (permalink)
    The ultrasonic parts washer idea would be great for that, but iso and a hand cleaning will work too. After the cleaning the best thing to do is stick those parts in a bag of cheap rice and leave them there for a day or two and let the rice absorb any potential fluids. This has been the defacto working fluid repair/cleanup regime for a lot of years now. I hope you didn't hurt the cat man, its just doing whats in its instinct to do.... usually a spade or neuter before they are 6 months old will stop almost any chance of them wanting to spray. Cant let them get old enough to let the hormones hit there brains or the spay/neuter wont work as well. Lot of lessons to be learned here unfortunately.

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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/16 00:18:53 (permalink)
    Check the PCIE slot. Pee might of got in there and also clean the gold contacts on the card.

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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/16 06:43:28 (permalink)
    I didn't know we can bath electronic parts in 99% isopropyl in order to clean them.
     
    For how long does it need to dry before being used again?


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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/16 07:21:04 (permalink)
    Very shortly. It evaporates pretty quickly (much faster than water). If you have a hot air blower (like a hair dryer) you can use it to dry it even faster.
     
    I did it to clean my keyboard that was filled with crap, then used a hot air blower to dry it and it was perfectly dry right after, plugged back in without any problem.
     
    If you dont own a hot air blower consider buying one on amazon, it's cheap and you can use it to blow dust out of your computer as well without the need to buy air spray bottles ever again.
     
    Otherwise i'd say in 1 hour max everything should have evaporated.
     
    Look how fast it evaporates (the video is even slowed down because it evaporates too fast):
     

     
    Whatever way you choose you'll be able to see it by yourself if it's dry or not anyway :)
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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/16 07:52:45 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the info :)
     
    I already have a hot air blower that I use for heat-shrink tubing.
     
    Bathing electronic parts in 99% Iso might come handy one day.


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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/16 08:36:04 (permalink)
    I've heard of dust bunnies in a  system - but never cat piss . 
     
     


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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/16 09:18:15 (permalink)
    Gamers Nexus has some EVGA OC Lab tour footage where Vince (AKA Kingpin) shows him his PCB cleaning process. It should give you some good ideas. Sorry that I don't have time to find the video, but it should be pretty easy to find. Just look for EVGA lab tour video from Gamers Nexus within the last month. It was part of a series, so you will have to find the exact one.

    Anyways, basically he just completely submerges the PCBs in high purity alcohol in a parts cleaning ultrasonic cleaner. Only problem is that flammability is a big problem. Best to do it outside.

    At work, we have a vapor degreaser. Essentially it is just an ultrasonic parts cleaner with heated high purity alcohol, but it has multiple stages of coolers running which create a cold air layer above the vapor (inversion layer) to condense and hold the vapor down and greatly reduce chances of fire. I just wanted to say that to put things in perspective; people design expensive and complicated contraptions because it really is an issue which needs a proper solution. Without that safety measure, it is quit dangerous to violently agitate alcohol using an ultrasonic cleaner because it creates a lot of highly flammable vapor.

    You can bathe the video card in a glass cooking pan filled with alcohol and use a brush. The flammability problem would be reduced substantially compared to a metal, electrically powered, ultrasonic cleaner.

    I am concerned about the corrosive properties of urine. Even if you do completely clean everything spotless, the damage might already have been done. Once metal is corroded and missing, it is hard to build it back. The fact that it worked for a bit before it stopped working has me extra concerned about the possibility that some urine remained when you powered it on and could have caused extensive electrolytic/galvanic corrosion damage with the presence of electricity. Finding every corroded trace and solder connection could be impossible.

    Edit, edit:


    Starting at 2:52.
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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/16 15:33:50 (permalink)
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    I've heard of dust bunnies in a  system - but never cat piss . 
     
     






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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/17 09:36:48 (permalink)
    Of course I would never hurt the cat. I rescued the little guy from the streets when he was young and winter rolled around. But thanks for the tips. I’m waiting on the 99% alcohol to arrive
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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/17 09:46:04 (permalink)
    Be careful as the Alcohol is Flammable (as other mentioned)
     
    Avoid ignition sources & only in a well ventilated area


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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/17 13:55:25 (permalink)
    Good luck with the cleaning and please come back to share the outcome. :)


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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/20 19:29:00 (permalink)
    So i cleaned it all up with the alcohol (99% of course) and here we are with the gpu lighting up and one of the fans moving. No signal unfortunately so now what’s the plan. Also sorry for the late response,work kept me busy
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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/20 22:37:09 (permalink)
    Find a friend to test the card in there pc.. or a pc shop.

    What CPU? Does it have a built in GPU to test to see if the system is fine otherwise? Is there a monitor hdmi/display port connection on the mb?
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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/21 02:44:42 (permalink)
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    Find a friend to test the card in there pc.. or a pc shop.

    What CPU? Does it have a built in GPU to test to see if the system is fine otherwise? Is there a monitor hdmi/display port connection on the mb?


    Yeah, finding the problem by elimination is the way to go.


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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/21 09:30:28 (permalink)
    Any card can go through the no signal issue once you remove it and try to put it back in. Some times you have to push the card in and tweak it a little forward or back to get the fingers to line up just right in the slot. Some mobos are just a pain and some cases make it worse cause they can push or pull the card out of alignment too when you screw them in if the back wall is off at all.

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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/21 11:27:27 (permalink)
    I have tried another card,and the cpu works as well as the whole system entirely with a new gpu. I haven’t tried it on a friends pc yet. From what I could discern,it’s all in the gpu and maybe an incompatibility. I’ll give it a shot at another friends pc to see how it goes.
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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/21 12:14:49 (permalink)
    What possible incompatibility? Card worked in the system prior right?

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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/21 14:49:49 (permalink)
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    What possible incompatibility? Card worked in the system prior right?

    I don't get it too!
     
    Anyway, it looks like the GPU has suffered from the cat's pee.
    Most likely short circuits caused by the liquid.


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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/21 17:36:16 (permalink)
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    So i cleaned it all up with the alcohol (99% of course) and here we are with the gpu lighting up and one of the fans moving. No signal unfortunately so now what’s the plan. Also sorry for the late response,work kept me busy



    Did you use a brush (like a toothbrush) to scrub the card everywhere? I didn't say it before but you have to do this with the bare pcb of the card, so rad and fan removed. 
     
    This is to ensure there is no pee remaining anywhere on any electrical component on the pcb which could create a short.
     
    If you do this and it's still not working, as AHowes rightly suggested to you, testing your card in a friend computer is the next step.

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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/21 19:38:01 (permalink)
    I think it is worth repeating.

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    I am concerned about the corrosive properties of urine. Even if you do completely clean everything spotless, the damage might already have been done. Once metal is corroded and missing, it is hard to build it back. The fact that it worked for a bit before it stopped working has me extra concerned about the possibility that some urine remained when you powered it on and could have caused extensive electrolytic/galvanic corrosion damage with the presence of electricity. Finding every corroded trace and solder connection could be impossible.

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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/21 19:52:11 (permalink)
    Yeah but better try everything before giving up :)

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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/22 01:32:52 (permalink)
    Sorry to hear that.  The unpredictably of cats strike again.  I also have a cat but don't have any open systems luckily.  I would have never thought of that. 

    Just by saying on your first post how it turned on and than lost signal with the known circumstances here, sounds like it might have shorted on the first power up.  I'd still do the steps recommended by the other members as you already have and hope it does power up after every attempt on your end.  The last step would be to see if EVGA's willing to repair it and having to pay for the repairs but that all depends how much it would cost because if it's too high you're just better off grabbing a RTX.

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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/22 04:00:36 (permalink)
    GTXJackBauer The last step would be to see if EVGA's willing to repair it and having to pay for the repairs but that all depends how much it would cost because if it's too high you're just better off grabbing a RTX.

    EVGA no longer offers a repair service. That was a thing back in the days of Shamino. It has been quite a while since EVGA has offered to perform repairs. You would have to locate an independent repair service or petition online celebrity electronic gurus to take on your project (Louis Rossmann, "Buildzoid", Dave "EEVBlog" Jones, etc.).
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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/22 06:29:49 (permalink)
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    GTXJackBauer The last step would be to see if EVGA's willing to repair it and having to pay for the repairs but that all depends how much it would cost because if it's too high you're just better off grabbing a RTX.

    EVGA no longer offers a repair service. That was a thing back in the days of Shamino. It has been quite a while since EVGA has offered to perform repairs. You would have to locate an independent repair service or petition online celebrity electronic gurus to take on your project (Louis Rossmann, "Buildzoid", Dave "EEVBlog" Jones, etc.).



    That's a bummer as I had no idea.  Thanks for the heads up.

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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/22 09:19:24 (permalink)
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    Good evening guys
    So I recently had my gtx 1080ti ftw3 pissed on by my cat. I had an open case and I left my door open and this cat took the chance and striked. He peed over the ram and motherboard and the pee dripped onto the card. I cleaned up the card with 91% alcohol. I took the back plate off and cleaned under the thermal pads and cleaned off the pee for the most part. I put the card back in a day later and it turned on but about 5 mins later, I lost signal and it wouldn’t turn on. That being said I tried changing cables and monitors and it’s certainly not the motherboard. The fans turn on and stop and the leds are still on when I turn on the pc as well. Is there a way to salvage this?



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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/23 03:57:14 (permalink)
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    GTXJackBauer The last step would be to see if EVGA's willing to repair it and having to pay for the repairs but that all depends how much it would cost because if it's too high you're just better off grabbing a RTX.

    EVGA no longer offers a repair service. That was a thing back in the days of Shamino. It has been quite a while since EVGA has offered to perform repairs. You would have to locate an independent repair service or petition online celebrity electronic gurus to take on your project (Louis Rossmann, "Buildzoid", Dave "EEVBlog" Jones, etc.).

     
    Would be nice to see Rossmann having a look at it.
    I would, too, encourage you to do it again with the tooth brushing, if it hasn't already been done.


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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/23 05:24:06 (permalink)
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    Would be nice to see Rossmann having a look at it.



    I've seen his videos on his channel.  The dudes a genius even though I don't understand everything he is saying but I think he does a good job putting it out in laymen terms for some understanding.  Very intriguing to watch.

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    Re: Broken gtx 1080 ti ftw 3 pcb? 2019/04/23 06:09:09 (permalink)
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    albiss
     
    Would be nice to see Rossmann having a look at it.



    I've seen his videos on his channel.  The dudes a genius even though I don't understand everything he is saying but I think he does a good job putting it out in laymen terms for some understanding.  Very intriguing to watch.


    Oh yes he is! He would probably find out what the problem is in no time.
    One thing he does also very well is denouncing Apple's malpractices.
    post edited by albiss - 2019/04/23 06:15:26


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