8700k is perfectly fine. I don't personally see a need to upgrade to a newer CPU, given that you'll be playing at 4K which is where your GPU is the bottleneck and not the CPU (DLSS or not).

But if you just want to upgrade for the sake of upgrading, any current CPU 10900k/10850k/Any Ryzen 7 or 9 will do the job. Just don't expect significant improvements

Jchilleron

Gr3yGhost
8700k is perfectly fine. I don't personally see a need to upgrade to a newer CPU, given that you'll be playing at 4K which is where your GPU is the bottleneck and not the CPU (DLSS or not).

But if you just want to upgrade for the sake of upgrading, any current CPU 10900k/10850k/Any Ryzen 7 or 9 will do the job. Just don't expect significant improvements

What about the upcoming 11900k? Do you think it's worth the wait?

You simply do not need a new CPU if you're playing at 4K. It is just a waste at this point if you plan to upgrade just to play at 4K.  If you want to upgrade just for the sake of upgrading, 5900X or 11900K. 

Assuming you want to upgrade, my thoughts:
 
Benchmarks are showing the 10900K outperforming the 11900K in everything except explicitly single-threaded workloads.  Old games, single-threaded benchmarks, etc are going to benefit from the 11900K.  I think as we move forward and new games become less single thread heavy, the 10900K will be a better bet.
 
Of course, there are the 5900x and 5950x as well if you want to try out AMD.  My buddy has a 5900x and he seems to be getting better #'s than my 5950x on single-threaded loads, but not by much.  Based on similar benches he is about 3% faster than me single-threaded.  But multi-threaded it isn't even close.  
 
For day to day use; and for looking forward into the future - I'd grab a 10900k or a 5950x.  If that last few percent of true gaming performance matter to you, then a 11900k or a 5900x.  

Intel is supposedly breaking away from 14nm+++++++++ this year, and might go to 10nm architecture or smaller in Q3 of this year. That's what I'd wait for if you have a 8700k now. I have a 9900k and was excited about the 11900k, but as others have stated, it seems like a lateral step vs upgrade, as it has less cores. Granted, slightly improved IPC and faster single core, but now that most AAA titles take full advantage of all CPU cores, I'd either wait to see what's in store for later this year or go red pill this time around. Never thought I'd say that, but Intel really is sucking it recently. 

I would likely get a 5900x over a 5800x *IF YOU CAN FIND ONE*...
 
But the 5800x is a good CPU...I think a forum member has one for sale.
 

I've got a 5950X and an RTX 3090 and I can play any game with ease. Forum member bobmitch just completed a build as shown here:
 
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3196461

Thanks for posting these Ty. Yeah, there's nobody I trust more than Steve @ GN for reviews and honesty, he has built his platform on that and he continues to deliver quality content with fantastic testing methodology. If there's anything I consider buying, I check GN first for a review.

Jchilleron

transdogmifier
I would likely get a 5900x over a 5800x *IF YOU CAN FIND ONE*...
 
But the 5800x is a good CPU...I think a forum member has one for sale.
 

I did find one 5900x. Arriving tomorrow.

My only problem is that over a month ago I tried the 5900x with a Asus Dark Hero mobo and I got a bit less fps than with my 8700k @5ghz and z370 mobo.

Maybe now bios are more mature or I made a mistake...if I open the box of the 5900x I have to keep it or sell it second hand (I bought from an app here). The mobo I can return.
If I get the 5800x I can return to the shop. It's the only ryzen 5000 cpu they have in stock.

Dificult choice after what happened a month ago.

You had a 5900x outperformed by an 8700k?  Did you disable half its cores and limit its wattage ?
 
Seriously though, something was dreadfully wrong if that was the case.  Also, remember, PBO (and PBO2) is not enabeled by default.  You have to turn that on in the BIOS.  For me, on my 5950x, just turning PBO on yields a 12% performance increase.  Tweaking the PBO2 curve settings gains me another 3-5%.  Cine R19 is my quick and dirty benchmark, and I get a score of about 4400 on a default BIOS, 4950 with PBO enabled, and my every day settings yield a 5100.  I've hit 5200 once on one BIOS tuning run where I spent a few hours with my curve optimizer.  But I over-wrote that with subsequent BIOS updates and haven't spent the time to get back to 5200 and am happy daily driving 5100.
 
On R20 this equates to about a 10,000 score without touching the BIOS 11,400 with just turning on PBO and 11,700 on a well-tuned curve.  

Dyezak

Jchilleron

transdogmifier
I would likely get a 5900x over a 5800x *IF YOU CAN FIND ONE*...

But the 5800x is a good CPU...I think a forum member has one for sale.

I did find one 5900x. Arriving tomorrow.

My only problem is that over a month ago I tried the 5900x with a Asus Dark Hero mobo and I got a bit less fps than with my 8700k @5ghz and z370 mobo.

Maybe now bios are more mature or I made a mistake...if I open the box of the 5900x I have to keep it or sell it second hand (I bought from an app here). The mobo I can return.
If I get the 5800x I can return to the shop. It's the only ryzen 5000 cpu they have in stock.

Dificult choice after what happened a month ago.

You had a 5900x outperformed by an 8700k?  Did you disable half its cores and limit its wattage ?
 
Seriously though, something was dreadfully wrong if that was the case.  Also, remember, PBO (and PBO2) is not enabeled by default.  You have to turn that on in the BIOS.  For me, on my 5950x, just turning PBO on yields a 12% performance increase.  Tweaking the PBO2 curve settings gains me another 3-5%.  Cine R19 is my quick and dirty benchmark, and I get a score of about 4400 on a default BIOS, 4950 with PBO enabled, and my every day settings yield a 5100.  I've hit 5200 once on one BIOS tuning run where I spent a few hours with my curve optimizer.  But I over-wrote that with subsequent BIOS updates and haven't spent the time to get back to 5200 and am happy daily driving 5100.
 
On R20 this equates to about a 10,000 score without touching the BIOS 11,400 with just turning on PBO and 11,700 on a well-tuned curve.  

The 5900x smashed the 8700k in cinebench and other sintetic benchmarks.

PBO worked better for me in games but still didn't get to the fps with 8700k. All core didn't do very well in my case with 5900x.

But in 3d applications and games not. 3dmark, port royal, horizon zero dawn, Assassins Creed odyssey and valhalla,...etc. they were very close but the 8700k @5ghz came on top.

For me gaming is what I need it for so the benchmarks are not necessary. Just the 3d and gaming.

Do you recommend then the 5800k, 5900k or 5950x for gaming if money is not an issue?

I always play in 4k.

Dabadger84
You're playing at 4K, so in games, you're not going to see much of a difference from upgrading CPU, to be honest.
 
If you're going to upgrade, I would definitely look at either a 5900x setup, or wait for the 11900K, but in all honestly, unless you're noticing CPU bottlenecking (GPU not hittin 100% load with CPU showing high load in games), I would wait to upgrade.
 
As far as bang for bug goes, the 5800x & 5900x are the two big dogs in the yard at the moment, they will give you pure processing power, while also giving you superior in game performance, compared to anything Intel has out currently.
 
I'm going to be upgrading from my 9900K to an 11900K when they release, and I'm also at about the resolution you are (5120 x 1440 which is 7.4M pixels vs ~8M pixels at 2160p (so called 4 so called K)), but I'll be doing it at a significantly reduced price overall, which is part of why I'm doing it.

The 11900k will be better than the ryzens in games? I was waiting for it too but march-april seems far. And 8 cores with 14nm built I'm not sure.

Dabadger84

Jchilleron

Dabadger84
You're playing at 4K, so in games, you're not going to see much of a difference from upgrading CPU, to be honest.

If you're going to upgrade, I would definitely look at either a 5900x setup, or wait for the 11900K, but in all honestly, unless you're noticing CPU bottlenecking (GPU not hittin 100% load with CPU showing high load in games), I would wait to upgrade.

As far as bang for bug goes, the 5800x & 5900x are the two big dogs in the yard at the moment, they will give you pure processing power, while also giving you superior in game performance, compared to anything Intel has out currently.

I'm going to be upgrading from my 9900K to an 11900K when they release, and I'm also at about the resolution you are (5120 x 1440 which is 7.4M pixels vs ~8M pixels at 2160p (so called 4 so called K)), but I'll be doing it at a significantly reduced price overall, which is part of why I'm doing it.

The 11900k will be better than the ryzens in games? I was waiting for it too but march-april seems far. And 8 cores with 14nm built I'm not sure.

I don't think so.  I think they'll be comparable.  Probably trade blows depending on the game, between whether the 11900K or the 5900x/5800x wins.  If I could choose, I would probably go 5900x myself for several reasons, including more native PCIe 4.0 lanes & more cores - but, in my particular case, the 11900K/Z590 upgrade path is going to be much cheaper.  Not to mention I think the 5900x is going to have stock issues well in to April still.  I'm just hoping I can land an 11900K in a semi-timely manner.

Im receiving the 5900x tomorrow and a x570 Asus Crosshair Viii Dark Hero.

I'm just deciding if it's worth the upgrade after my last experience with the same set-up.

I don't have much time to decide...

Jchilleron
Im receiving the 5900x tomorrow and a x570 Asus Crosshair Viii Dark Hero.

I'm just deciding if it's worth the upgrade after my last experience with the same set-up.

I don't have much time to decide...

Well congrats on the pickup of the 5900x then, that's for sure.  I think you will enjoy it, especially in games you run that you use DLSS in, it will definitely be a notable improvement I think, over the 8700K.  One of the things that doesn't get highlighted enough is the increased throughput of the system as a whole a result of the CPU/chipset/RAM throughput increase that results from these type of upgrades.
At the very least the 8700K/Z370 resale should get you some of your money back, and the extra performance in CPU-intensive work will be very noticeable.

I think the short question is:

What system will give me more fps in 4k gaming at with their optimal components and settings. (Ram, mobo, ssd,...). I already have the rtx 3090.

my current system is asus z370-e, 8700k @5GHZ, 2x8gb g.skill 3900@15-15-15-35 1.42v.

1) z490-z590 with a 10900k. (Ram has much more headroom that what I have now)

2) x570 with a 5900x. (Ram will be around 3800mhz cl14 dual rank).

Which one for more fps at 4k?

sunlight0
4K does not rely on cpu

A lot of people tells me that but then in benchmark we do have differences between CPUs regarding fps. Not as gpus but something.

I want to upgrade cause my platform is quite old as well. Z370 and 8700k...

Dabadger84

Jchilleron
Im receiving the 5900x tomorrow and a x570 Asus Crosshair Viii Dark Hero.

I'm just deciding if it's worth the upgrade after my last experience with the same set-up.

I don't have much time to decide...

Well congrats on the pickup of the 5900x then, that's for sure.  I think you will enjoy it, especially in games you run that you use DLSS in, it will definitely be a notable improvement I think, over the 8700K.  One of the things that doesn't get highlighted enough is the increased throughput of the system as a whole a result of the CPU/chipset/RAM throughput increase that results from these type of upgrades.
At the very least the 8700K/Z370 resale should get you some of your money back, and the extra performance in CPU-intensive work will be very noticeable.

It looks like that the latency is the factory limiting the ryzens to perform better than intel as intel latency is lower and don't need to adjust to infinity fabrik.