One 2080ti = 25% more performance of one 1080ti... from msrp alone $699 compared to $1199.... two 1080ti’s would perform higher than one 2080ti IF the title utilizes SLI. If it doesn’t, is a 70% plus price hike actually worth it?

Also, nvidia can say “starting at $999” but until they sell the 2080ti at $999, msrp is going to be based around their $1199 price tag. If they really are using two different gpu cores and a crappier core occupies the cheaper cards, then nvidia is lying to the masses and not giving the product they presented.

This launch is terrible... the performance on available games isn’t what nvidia presented to the masses. Nvidia’s own charts said the 2080 would outperform the 1080ti, and it only does that in very few games, and some synthetic benchmarks..

The price hike is pretty absurd until there is an RTX enabled game, and if nvidia doesn’t allow users to try the preview gen cards with any rtx, to verify nvidias claim that the rtx cards are 3 times faster, then they were able to blow smoke into everyones wallet. Battlefield has already been caught lowering the rtx portion to make the game play better... they used static backgrounds when they tried to prove how amazing the game was going to run.

Nvidia should have given developers time to produce a game to release prior to the launch of the card, so it would sell users on it immediately.

TheParagonHero
I am not complaining. I am coming from a 780, upgrading to a 2080, and I don't mind paying a little more for a card that is slightly better than the 1080 Ti now, but will continue to get better as Tensor Cores and AI-cores continue to be further utilized in both DLSS and other possible usages.

I agree here.  If I was coming from anything below a 1080/1070Ti and looking at a 2080, I'd probably do that for the newer tech and the performance of a 1080Ti.  Beyond that, I can't justify the cost based on today's benchmark results.

the_Scarlet_one
One 2080ti = 25% more performance of one 1080ti... from msrp alone $699 compared to $1199.... two 1080ti’s would perform higher than one 2080ti IF the title utilizes SLI. If it doesn’t, is a 70% plus price hike actually worth it?

Also, nvidia can say “starting at $999” but until they sell the 2080ti at $999, msrp is going to be based around their $1199 price tag. If they really are using two different gpu cores and a crappier core occupies the cheaper cards, then nvidia is lying to the masses and not giving the product they presented.

This launch is terrible... the performance on available games isn’t what nvidia presented to the masses. Nvidia’s own charts said the 2080 would outperform the 1080ti, and it only does that in very few games, and some synthetic benchmarks..

The price hike is pretty absurd until there is an RTX enabled game, and if nvidia doesn’t allow users to try the preview gen cards with any rtx, to verify nvidias claim that the rtx cards are 3 times faster, then they were able to blow smoke into everyones wallet. Battlefield has already been caught lowering the rtx portion to make the game play better... they used static backgrounds when they tried to prove how amazing the game was going to run.

Nvidia should have given developers time to produce a game to release prior to the launch of the card, so it would sell users on it immediately.

I guess the (what I attempted to put in bold) is more subjective than objective....If someone thinks it's worth it, it is to them..
 
I don't know...I'd prefer it if the Ti was 999 to be honest..*shrug*
 
 

transdogmifier

the_Scarlet_one
One 2080ti = 25% more performance of one 1080ti... from msrp alone $699 compared to $1199.... two 1080ti’s would perform higher than one 2080ti IF the title utilizes SLI. If it doesn’t, is a 70% plus price hike actually worth it?

Also, nvidia can say “starting at $999” but until they sell the 2080ti at $999, msrp is going to be based around their $1199 price tag. If they really are using two different gpu cores and a crappier core occupies the cheaper cards, then nvidia is lying to the masses and not giving the product they presented.

This launch is terrible... the performance on available games isn’t what nvidia presented to the masses. Nvidia’s own charts said the 2080 would outperform the 1080ti, and it only does that in very few games, and some synthetic benchmarks..

The price hike is pretty absurd until there is an RTX enabled game, and if nvidia doesn’t allow users to try the preview gen cards with any rtx, to verify nvidias claim that the rtx cards are 3 times faster, then they were able to blow smoke into everyones wallet. Battlefield has already been caught lowering the rtx portion to make the game play better... they used static backgrounds when they tried to prove how amazing the game was going to run.

Nvidia should have given developers time to produce a game to release prior to the launch of the card, so it would sell users on it immediately.

I guess the (what I attempted to put in bold) is more subjective than objective....If someone thinks it's worth it, it is to them..
 
I don't know...I'd prefer it if the Ti was 999 to be honest..*shrug*
 
 

Agreed, worth is ALWAYS subjective but performance per dollar spent is not and sometimes I think that others conflate the two.

If the 2080Ti would actually sell for $999, and not a lower quality one I might think about it.  But for $1199 it's just an odd pricing scheme.  I think I will be skipping this series

If I would buy RTX I’d buy Founders Edition card. That cooler is really premium and nice sleek looking. EVGA’s cooler looks really cheap 5min job design.

IF I were purchasing a 2080(Ti) AND going with air cooling (which I am not), I would certainly be going with the EVGA card.  They averaged 10-15 degrees cooler at the same load/frequency as the FE edition cards.  Now, they are a LOT thicker but if you're running one card on air, who cares.
 
https://youtu.be/WDrpsv0QIR0?t=8m53s    He begins talking about the FE design and moves into comparison between EVGA card and Founder's in a minute.

I don't get the cooler hate.  I love the look of both the FE cards and the FTW3 at least.  The 3 fan looks pretty cool in the EVGA cards and it looks a little awkward on some on other manufacturers.  My complaint with the FE cards is that they are a little plain, but this gen is way better than previous.

the_Scarlet_one
One 2080ti = 25% more performance of one 1080ti... from msrp alone $699 compared to $1199.... two 1080ti’s would perform higher than one 2080ti IF the title utilizes SLI. If it doesn’t, is a 70% plus price hike actually worth it?

Also, nvidia can say “starting at $999” but until they sell the 2080ti at $999, msrp is going to be based around their $1199 price tag. If they really are using two different gpu cores and a crappier core occupies the cheaper cards, then nvidia is lying to the masses and not giving the product they presented.

This launch is terrible... the performance on available games isn’t what nvidia presented to the masses. Nvidia’s own charts said the 2080 would outperform the 1080ti, and it only does that in very few games, and some synthetic benchmarks..

The price hike is pretty absurd until there is an RTX enabled game, and if nvidia doesn’t allow users to try the preview gen cards with any rtx, to verify nvidias claim that the rtx cards are 3 times faster, then they were able to blow smoke into everyones wallet. Battlefield has already been caught lowering the rtx portion to make the game play better... they used static backgrounds when they tried to prove how amazing the game was going to run.

Nvidia should have given developers time to produce a game to release prior to the launch of the card, so it would sell users on it immediately.

Because the DXR Api for Ray Tracing isn't even out yet from Microsoft for them to enable it in games in Windows10 for benchmarks as only the developers have it now. Read the last phrase. "Developers have had access to the DXR API as part of the Insider build of Windows 10 since March this year, which is why so many games have already been able to implement support. We’ll need to wait a bit longer to get our own hands on it though." This update is scheduled to come in the next update from Microsoft next month for Windows10. There are at least 24 games that are coming out will have this RTX. https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcochiappetta/2018/08/24/here-are-all-of-the-games-that-will-support-nvidias-rtx-technology/#1bf84fc93d7c The list will continue to grow. Yet the 2080Ti sold really fast after it was announced despite none reviews where even out at all. I agree the price is high but that didn't stop anybody from preordering it. The real reviewers will be us to judge the performance of the cards as we will be using it longer than the reviewers do.
https://www.kitguru.net/c...g-raytracing-in-games/

badboy64
Because the DXR Api for Ray Tracing isn't even out yet from Microsoft for them to enable it in games in Windows10 for benchmarks as only the developers have it now. Read the last phrase. "Developers have had access to the DXR API as part of the Insider build of Windows 10 since March this year, which is why so many games have already been able to implement support. We’ll need to wait a bit longer to get our own hands on it though." This update is scheduled to come in the next update from Microsoft next month for Windows10. There are at least 24 games that are coming out will have this RTX. https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcochiappetta/2018/08/24/here-are-all-of-the-games-that-will-support-nvidias-rtx-technology/#1bf84fc93d7c The list will continue to grow. Yet the 2080Ti sold really fast after it was announced despite none reviews where even out at all. I agree the price is high but that didn't stop anybody from preordering it. The real reviewers will be us to judge the performance of the cards as we will be using it longer than the reviewers do.
https://www.kitguru.net/c...g-raytracing-in-games/

I will stress... Nvidia... not Microsoft or developers... nvidia!!! Should have given the developers time to prep their titles, and had them READY at release... not waiting on Microsoft, or waiting on developers, after they released the card. Developers have had the api since March... cool, there is still nothing for the end user to use it on.

Nvidia could have waited 1 more month, then started the pre-orders to line up with the release of a game and the Microsoft update.. just in time for the holiday season.

Instead, Nvidia built up hype for something that isn’t available, and released an item that cant use the hype for at least another month.... minimum.

Why didn’t they just wait?

the_Scarlet_one

badboy64
Because the DXR Api for Ray Tracing isn't even out yet from Microsoft for them to enable it in games in Windows10 for benchmarks as only the developers have it now. Read the last phrase. "Developers have had access to the DXR API as part of the Insider build of Windows 10 since March this year, which is why so many games have already been able to implement support. We’ll need to wait a bit longer to get our own hands on it though." This update is scheduled to come in the next update from Microsoft next month for Windows10. There are at least 24 games that are coming out will have this RTX. https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcochiappetta/2018/08/24/here-are-all-of-the-games-that-will-support-nvidias-rtx-technology/#1bf84fc93d7c The list will continue to grow. Yet the 2080Ti sold really fast after it was announced despite none reviews where even out at all. I agree the price is high but that didn't stop anybody from preordering it. The real reviewers will be us to judge the performance of the cards as we will be using it longer than the reviewers do.
https://www.kitguru.net/c...g-raytracing-in-games/

I will stress... Nvidia... not Microsoft or developers... nvidia!!! Should have given the developers time to prep their titles, and had them READY at release... not waiting on Microsoft, or waiting on developers, after they released the card. Developers have had the api since March... cool, there is still nothing for the end user to use it on.

Nvidia could have waited 1 more month, then started the pre-orders to line up with the release of a game and the Microsoft update.. just in time for the holiday season.

Instead, Nvidia built up hype for something that isn’t available, and released an item that cant use the hype for at least another month.... minimum.

Why didn’t they just wait?

Totally agree here that the 20X0 launch was botched from the beginning.  Nvidia needs to rethink their strategy.

A couple of takes from this, the 2080 should have been the 2070 and the 2080 Ti is what the 2080 should have been OR 2080 Ti max price should be $899 and the 2080 $699. Overall not very impressive...price to performance is just not right.

Jayz 2 cents recommendation: "A big fat don't buy!"

KLEYBA
Jayz 2 cents recommendation: "A big fat don't buy!"

 
yeah, as tempted as I am......I can't stomach paying 1250 for a card...I just can't...NV is smokin' crack.

Hoggle
The interesting thing is at 4K the Star Wars ray trace demo seems to show no improvement in overclocking. The other major take away is if you where considering a Titan or a 1080ti it seems like the 2080ti and the 2080 are both good options to consider for the same price range.

+1


 
Why I bought 2080 Ti instead of Titan Xp