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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/02/25 07:49:24
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buttabean Yours might work better attached to the backplate due to it being all copper. It'll be interesting to see the end results. hmm not sure it'll work but maybe? it says 3" in one length so that's 76mm. really need 85mm which I believe is 3.35".
I was concerned about that as well. hoping that I might be able to finagle it working on there or as you said attach it to the backplate later. I havent been able to do any testing though because I have been transitioning a full Water cooling loop to a new meshify 2 XL case. Its a pleasure of a case to work with but its taking me longer than expected to do everything "right"
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/02/26 20:54:56
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I got this block as well and I'm quite frustrated. It does seem like I'm unable to install the block to have proper contact to the gpu chip. I've tightened the 4 screws around the chip to the max. All other screws are as tight as possible. I've replaced the thermal pads and checked multiple times if they are the correct size. So here is the problem. When I install it back to my loop, the chip temperature jumps from 30 to 55 within 30 seconds and goes all the way up to 65. If someone has an idea, please let me know.
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/02/26 21:04:32
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elbramso I got this block as well and I'm quite frustrated. It does seem like I'm unable to install the block to have proper contact to the gpu chip. I've tightened the 4 screws around the chip to the max. All other screws are as tight as possible. I've replaced the thermal pads and checked multiple times if they are the correct size. So here is the problem. When I install it back to my loop, the chip temperature jumps from 30 to 55 within 30 seconds and goes all the way up to 65. If someone has an idea, please let me know.
There is definitely a problem with your contact there. Did you use the blue thermal pads everywhere? Because there are a couple of places where you have to use the black one. Someone posted a picture early on here about the instructions from the Barrowch website that show a picture where the blue and black pads go. Also have you added enough thermal paste? I use thermal grizzly kryonaut and spread it a little with the spatula thing, I get a good contact tho. I haven't seen it reach 50c under load with water temps of high 30s. Also what screws are you using? I used most of the screws with the spring around the gpu die area, some of the wide head screws towards the back of the card and everywhere else that didn't align with the back plate. And then I used the really long screws that came with the block to attach most of the backplate. The screw where the warranty sticker goes was an original that came with the card itself. Maybe post some pictures if you can.
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/02/26 21:20:40
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Dabadger84 Got some new heatsinks (40 x 40 x 11) incoming, with some double sided adhesive pads & thermal tape, I'm just gonna go full ham & do the entire area of the back of the card that has heat producing elements... so from before the output port side VRM all the way past the power-plug side VRM. Should have more than enough to do that with these incoming:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YWL7DFS/ Between those & what I already have, doing the entire backplate wouldn't be a problem... but there's not much of a point in continuing the heatsinks past a certain point on the far end of the card, there's nothing there to dissipate.
Can you post a pic and results when you're done? thanks
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/02/26 21:36:57
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Dash8Q4
elbramso I got this block as well and I'm quite frustrated. It does seem like I'm unable to install the block to have proper contact to the gpu chip. I've tightened the 4 screws around the chip to the max. All other screws are as tight as possible. I've replaced the thermal pads and checked multiple times if they are the correct size. So here is the problem. When I install it back to my loop, the chip temperature jumps from 30 to 55 within 30 seconds and goes all the way up to 65. If someone has an idea, please let me know.
There is definitely a problem with your contact there. Did you use the blue thermal pads everywhere? Because there are a couple of places where you have to use the black one. Someone posted a picture early on here about the instructions from the Barrowch website that show a picture where the blue and black pads go. Also have you added enough thermal paste? I use thermal grizzly kryonaut and spread it a little with the spatula thing, I get a good contact tho. I haven't seen it reach 50c under load with water temps of high 30s. Also what screws are you using? I used most of the screws with the spring around the gpu die area, some of the wide head screws towards the back of the card and everywhere else that didn't align with the back plate. And then I used the really long screws that came with the block to attach most of the backplate. The screw where the warranty sticker goes was an original that came with the card itself. Maybe post some pictures if you can.
I used the black and blue pads as described in this thread. Further I absolutely drowned my chip in thermal paste^^ Have only used 4 of the spring screws though, maybe that's why there is no proper contact.
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/02/26 21:52:00
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I used three more of the spring screws in the three other holes towards where the inlet and outlet ports are in the waterblock. So basically if you lay the card horizotally in front of you, pcie connector down and watercooling inlet/outlet ports up, there are the four GPU screws in the middle, followed by three other screws to the top which kind of form an upside down triangle. There is another screwhole below the 4 gpu ones but i use an original screw for this one as a spring screw would touch some components in the pcb. Good luck. Let me know if you saw some lines outside the oring seal sort of like fluid behind the plexi. I have them in mine and don't know if its a leak or what. https://imgur.com/28qKoK
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/02/26 22:44:21
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Manually tighten the black set screws that go into the block. These like to back out and create uneven pressure.
Also, the chokes call for the grey .5 mm thermal pads. The full thickness on these caused bridging on my first mount. I smooshed/stretched the pad to get it to go.
All screw holes that go into the nickel block should be the spring screws unless your backplate wont allow.
Use the clear washers on top of the black spacers to help with less pcb bow.
Use the provided pads for the Vram. They are a tweener size and soft. 1mm fuji poly will have bad vram temps. 1.5mm fuji poly will have bad core temps.
Sorry for your troubles with this block :(
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/02/26 23:59:27
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Is there a specific order for tightening the screws? Thanks for all your support, I wish I had asked earlier
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/02/27 06:54:10
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Generally with any screws follow these rules. 1. Insert all screws and gently let them locate some thread but only loosely 2. Slightly wind them in til the touch the two pieces together (as in lightly not tightly) do this in a spiral (in or out first doesn't matter) 3. Tighten each screw gently (if there are springs involved follow step 2 until tight) again in the spiral. 4. Without overtightening check each screw is secure still using the spiral method, until you are confident they are done. Spiral or criss-cross is a suitable method even combining the two but either way don't tighten 1 screw at a time until all screws and holding the part in. Generally criss-cross is best for 4 screws ie: CPU cooler.
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/02/27 12:33:25
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So I was talking to Razgriz via pm about mods. I think his solution seems to be the most effective with the server cpu heatsink and fujipoly pads. I'll let him post his solution. I went full derp on this with the copper shims and a copper plate that rests on top of the shims. I cut the 2mm thermal pads that came with the ekwb back plate and masked out the memory and also layed them over the solder joints so the copper plate would not touch them when tightening the backplate down. With all the shimming and plating, I ended up using M2 16mm screws to tighten the backplate on so it wouldn't flex or bow. I used the extra spring screw springs as spacers when tightening the three backplate screws to the nickel waterblock. I wish i had more black spacers for the edges of the backplate so i could tighten them down properly. this pic was before the mess commenced and trying to achieve contact across the backplate. I didn't take any after due to the horrors of mx4 everywhere lol. This was a big pain in the ass lol. I do not recommend doing this especially since Raz results are better, a whole lot easier to achieve, and most importantly much safer. Mining it's showing a peak temp of 76C I'm guessing that memory module not getting cooled fast enough due to the water block being too far to cool it. both pwr 4 and mem 2 are located in the front. Backplate does get hot still. *edit* actually the backplate is lukewarm. So it's either not making good contact or a combination of bad contact and also being too far from the waterblock. I'm tempted to tear it down again and put some fujipoly pads onto the backplate
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/03/02 01:44:39
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So finally it looks like the block is correctly installed on my card. As this is my first custom loop I can't really say something about the thermals but I was hoping for way better results... I have 2x 360 rads in my loop, 1 being a 60mm and the other is a 40mm from ek. The 40mm rad is mounted in the front as push intake and the 60mm is in top pulling exaust. I tested the thermals with a 20mins heaven benchmark at 107% TDP and tried different fan and pump speeds: - 50% fans + 50% pump -> 71 °C (24° C ambient) - 80% fans + 60% pump -> 59 °C (24° C ambient) Further the chip still ramps from 26 °C to 43 °C instantly on load (normal?) Any ideas? *Edit* as this was my first custom loop I forgot to add a sensor for the water temp^^
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/03/02 07:47:09
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1.Can you post a hwinfo screenshot? 59C seems quite high considering your rads. 2.Try taking the side of your case off as well just to eliminate the ventilation in your case as a factor. 3.setup a curve on your pump to do 30% then jump 100% when temps hit 45Cish so it will try to get rid of bubbles. I setup a saved profile for this so when I drain my system it will clear the air out faster. Or manually do it in the bios by ramping the pump up and down. If your temps jump instantly from 26c to 43c instantly I would think you don't have adequate pressure across the gpu or you have air in the loop. Try eliminating the air as a possibility first. What are your other mem and pwr temps doing while this happens? Did you use the paste that came with it? Or other stuff? Maybe the included paste isn't enough? I used thermal grizzly on mine. I'm seeing 25C at idle, 40-45C soaked.
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/03/02 12:49:42
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buttabean 1.Can you post a hwinfo screenshot? 59C seems quite high considering your rads. 2.Try taking the side of your case off as well just to eliminate the ventilation in your case as a factor. 3.setup a curve on your pump to do 30% then jump 100% when temps hit 45Cish so it will try to get rid of bubbles. I setup a saved profile for this so when I drain my system it will clear the air out faster. Or manually do it in the bios by ramping the pump up and down. If your temps jump instantly from 26c to 43c instantly I would think you don't have adequate pressure across the gpu or you have air in the loop. Try eliminating the air as a possibility first. What are your other mem and pwr temps doing while this happens? Did you use the paste that came with it? Or other stuff? Maybe the included paste isn't enough? I used thermal grizzly on mine. I'm seeing 25C at idle, 40-45C soaked.
I was tired of fixing my computer, so I decided to watch a movie instead^^ I'm using thermal grizzly as well. I'll do some further testing and let you know.
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/03/07 12:49:43
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So is the barrow block gtg? I was looking at the byski but see that it doesnt touch the chokes like the barrow does.
Just look at the two and youll see what Im talking about.
Id like the optimus but can never get one.
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/03/08 09:27:29
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rangerscott So is the barrow block gtg? I was looking at the byski but see that it doesnt touch the chokes like the barrow does.
Just look at the two and youll see what Im talking about.
Id like the optimus but can never get one.
I personally don't think it's a bad block considering availability of other blocks. I'm happy with my results. Just take note of the issues with installation we previously mentioned before diving in so you don't have to deal with them. Switching to the ekwb backplate didn't yield any better results unless you pursue a lot more active cooling. I ended up redoing my ekwb back plate with 1mm https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CGL7MLN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and 1mm copper shims. Then dropped the watercooler on the back plate. I'm seeing 72-76C on memory junction temps while mining. I did notice that by not tuning my air flow, the temps would go to 80C and the whole back plate was hot even with the case open. So case airflow has a drastic effect on backplate performance. Don't mind those high temps, they aren't real readings. This is 11 plus hours with the case closed, 55% pump speed, front rad 75% fan and 80% rest of the fans. These are arctic p12? and slim static fans, running around 1400 rpm. Almost silent. I'm happy with the results. ekwb backplate setup. The 2mm pads on each side that come with the ekwb backplate seem to compromise the pressure across the vrm 1mm pads. So by changing the 1mm out with those puddy pads I linked above plus the addition of 1mm shims smothered in mx4, it allows nice pressure across the ram with still using the ekwb 2mm on the sides. You could probably get away with the (link above) 1.5mm and no shims but I already had the 1mm and shims. The two pads over the gpu area are ekwb 1.5mm pads that came with the backplate. If people are thinking of getting the ekwb backplate to get better backplate cooling, you might be better off buying the serial version of mp5 waterblock first. That's probably the cheapest solution to the problem instead of changing out backplates, changing thermal pads, adding a cpu waterblock, adding more case fans to get better airflow, etc, etc. Backplate cooling even with a cpu block attached is very dependent on case airflow. Think about it. You save $40-100 with the barrows, put it toward the mp5 backplate cooler. You'll have a backplate cooler for life or when it hopefully never leaks lol. My brother ordered one so we'll see how well it works on his founders card and corsair hydrox. Should yield similar results to the evga backplate.
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/03/08 11:09:50
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/03/08 11:39:56
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Here's heavenly running for 20 minutes. I read that those spikes in temp are false readings due to nvidia drivers and the screen going black. So if you tab out or whatever, it can cause that to happen.
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/04/30 19:00:36
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Hi Guys, Installed Barrow ftw3 on my 3090 today and was surprised to see CPU temp going up to 81 and staying around 78 C during the game (( I've got 3080 with Barrow waterblock before with CPU temp around 42 C. Something is wrong here - just don't know what ... I used stock pads and placed them according to the instructions. Used evga pads for backplate. Interesting that all the other temps are fine (CPU2, memory). Any advise will be appreciated!
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/04/30 19:05:03
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dmaksakov Hi Guys, Installed Barrow ftw3 on my 3090 today and was surprised to see CPU temp going up to 81 and staying around 78 C during the game (( I've got 3080 with Barrow waterblock before with CPU temp around 42 C. Something is wrong here - just don't know what ... I used stock pads and placed them according to the instructions. Used evga pads for backplate. Interesting that all the other temps are fine (CPU2, memory). Any advise will be appreciated!
pull it apart and see where the contact issue is. Always best to fit it up, take it apart and inspect prior to the final mount.
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/05/01 22:25:50
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Pulled it apart for the third time. Checked - all seemed fine - assembled again, put into test - pc started and then video signal was lost. Tried several times - the same result. Disassembled again changed the pads - now it's working, just the same result 78C for CPU. Other temps are in normal range (50C approx). Don't know why the CPU temp is so high - I mean it's not a rocket science to assemble it (did it for 10 times at least in the past). Tired of dealing with this - ordered EKWB waterblock + backplate. Will be posting updates.
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Re: Barrows 3090ftw3 waterblock
2021/05/02 01:07:07
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Any recommendations on a decent waterblock?
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