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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/08 17:33:22 (permalink)
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i own many systems including a x58 e760 and guess what, im not freaking out over a 10yr old system not getting a bios update, yes it has a lifetime warranty but that is for the board against defects, not the cpu having a underlying problem. i personally feel this whole thing is overblown, just as some of the ones in the past were, the chances of the average joe blow user being effected or targeted are pretty small. the one upside to the hype is every AV vendor will be scrambling to push updates to block this as well as software so the chances just will get smaller.




Really? That's so helpful to my situation. I hope a pipe breaks above your primary rig and its goes up in smoke bro, then you can use your x58
You can just punch in your passwords and credit card numbers and feel great about it! 
-feels so good doesn't it, knowing that there is nothing to worry about-
 
Thanks for posting 
 
 
 
 




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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/08 18:22:57 (permalink)
@ maniacvvv                                    

Have you run this yet on your Rig?
Maybe Post your finding for other X58 Owners.
 
Testing this Now https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/scriptcenter/Speculation-Control-e36f0050/view/Discussions#content
 
A EXE Run File *It Works
Org Zip And a zipped version of the same script (usually easier to download)
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Updated EXE
And a zipped version of the same script (usually easier to download)
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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/08 18:58:35 (permalink)
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Have you run this yet on your Rig?
Maybe Post your finding for other X58 Owners.

Testing this Now https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/scriptcenter/Speculation-Control-e36f0050/view/Discussions#content

A EXE Run File *It Works
Org Zip And a zipped version of the same script (usually easier to download)
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvUMCaElfVkvmnIkcJbDb8_kbBnO

Updated EXE
And a zipped version of the same script (usually easier to download)
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvUMCaElfVkvmnIkcJbDb8_kbBnO





Thanks bro, no surprises here, manually downloaded and installed the Microsoft OS patch the same day it came out 
*(note I only have PowerShell ver 2.0 from 2009 installed on this OS (Win7 64) and it ran fine)
"Suggested Action: Install BIOS/Firmware update provided by device OEM (EVGA) that enables hardware support for the branch target injection mitigation"
 
 
 
No Hardware support (BIOS) from EVGA= no protection
post edited by maniacvvv - 2018/01/08 19:34:21

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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/08 20:51:29 (permalink)
maniacvvv 
My CPU is on Intel's affected list and the base microcode update is already available.




Where are you getting this information? Reports I've seen have stated Intel hasn't even finished releasing microcode updates for CPUs within the last five years, and last I checked yours is older.


Have water, will cool. 
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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/08 21:15:37 (permalink)
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maniacvvv 
My CPU is on Intel's affected list and the base microcode update is already available.




Where are you getting this information? Reports I've seen have stated Intel hasn't even finished releasing microcode updates for CPUs within the last five years, and last I checked yours is older.




"Intel hasn't even finished releasing microcode updates for CPUs within the last five years"  
This is cover for the OEM's from their chipset partner Intel, who -both- would rather have you run out and pay them more money for replacement of their defective parts than a free repair.
Wait the few short weeks until the threats become active in the wild and the sad examples begin to get posted up, then panic will set in hard....  
*(the lawsuits have already started) 

 
The "true" delays are at the OEM level, according to my source at Intel the base microcode patches are completely done and available to OEM's (due to Intel's good legal dept)
The REAL problem is that every single MB OEM uses different hardware design/components, so each BIOS update is -very very specific- to that exact MB/Chipset
 
And here we come to the heart of the matter--->There are only limited BIOS programing resources (talent) and money at the OEM's (EVGA, ASUS, MSI..etc)
So where as a OEM do you direct your resources?
To your near future and current MB releases is the top priority and then down the line as cheaply as you can...
--->and try not to get hit in the ass by a lawsuit from the paying customers you screw over
 
This is a OEM management nightmare and one which will play out unpredictably with winners and losers.
Many OEM's have stated different year numbers for support, while still others have been talking about 2 years... Alot are simply saying nothing except for current product
--->Some scumbags are even going so far as to exclude entire lines of chipsets no matter when purchased!!...
Basically years of warranty appears to be what we are seeing so far for the most part, with exceptions.
Some companies will step up, others will get by and some will leave their customers in the dirt, it's a business after all is said and done.
There is potential here for class action to change the faces of the OEM's we see today, as the margins in high end MB's (not patched) could prove very expensive indeed.  
 
This is all about the availability of programming talent and the costs in time and money to propagate BIOS/Microcode fixes down the product lines.
And of course the chance to "make" money from users forced (by lack of support) to replace otherwise working systems by delaying what you think you can...  
 
And this is why I am concerned. If its not a "defect" (and of course it is) then why are Intel and OEM's patching MB's for it....
And why should I, as a customer with a lifetime warranty not receive the same "fix" as everyone else? Because its older? I am still under warranty. 
 
I think I saw you running a 4790k... how would you like it if you didn't get patched and had to throw out your MB/CPU/RAM?
Well that's where I'm at. So you will understand my concern and frustration since there is nothing wrong with my system that a BIOS update won't fix.    
 
post edited by maniacvvv - 2018/01/09 10:46:23




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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/09 13:24:34 (permalink)
No update for Z68 FTW? i7 2600K is still kicking and playing all +60fps with a GTX1070.
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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/09 16:58:44 (permalink)
Yes well conspiracy theories aside, Intel's CEO Brian Krzanich stated during the CES keynote yesterday that microcode updates for 5 year old and newer CPUs won't be complete until the end of January. Which means your i7 920 can't see an update for two months at the earliest. Considering his statements (and other statements made by Intel elsewhere) are legally binding, I tend to believe him over any sources you claim in the industry.  


Have water, will cool. 
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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/09 17:16:14 (permalink)
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Yes well conspiracy theories aside, Intel's CEO Brian Krzanich stated during the CES keynote yesterday that microcode updates for 5 year old and newer CPUs won't be complete until the end of January. Which means your i7 920 can't see an update for two months at the earliest. Considering his statements (and other statements made by Intel elsewhere) are legally binding, I tend to believe him over any sources you claim in the industry.  




You can believe whatever you wish, and public "statements" are of course not legally binding unless made under oath or written down in a contract.
 
What matters is that when the lawsuits start, there are facts that can protect Intel from liability exposure.
-->They are of course the only true deep pocket in all of this 




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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/10 09:46:57 (permalink)
This is our current schedule for BIOS updates related to these vulnerabilities:
 
By end of this week*:  Z170, Z270, Z370, X99, X299, Laptops.
 
Within 1-2 weeks*:  X79, W888, Z87, Z97.
 
*Please note that this date is projected, contingent on receiving source code from Intel, and final testing may push the dates back temporarily.
 
At this point, we do not have source code from Intel to update X58, P67, or Z77 motherboards.  When/if that becomes available, I'll provide an update.
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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/10 10:17:13 (permalink)
Lee,
 
Can you shed any light on the rumors that this patch will result in approximately 30% performance degradation?



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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/10 10:22:23 (permalink)
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Lee,
 
Can you shed any light on the rumors that this patch will result in approximately 30% performance degradation?

I've only seen what others have said and reported online.  Our motherboard team is in the process of compatibility/bug testing for these updates, so I don't believe we've done any real performance testing.


It seems as if that 30% number floating around is contingent on a number of factors, including type of applications, system configurations, and software configurations.  However, that's just speculation on my part.  Once these updates are available, perhaps a few members might do their own testing to see if they are affected.  I'm sure the Mods can throw a few BR's their way.
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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/10 12:46:35 (permalink)
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This is our current schedule for BIOS updates related to these vulnerabilities:
 
By end of this week*:  Z170, Z270, Z370, X99, X299, Laptops.
 
Within 1-2 weeks*:  X79, W888, Z87, Z97.
 
*Please note that this date is projected, contingent on receiving source code from Intel, and final testing may push the dates back temporarily.
 
At this point, we do not have source code from Intel to update X58, P67, or Z77 motherboards.  When/if that becomes available, I'll provide an update.


EVGATech_LeeM
This is our current schedule for BIOS updates related to these vulnerabilities:
 
By end of this week*:  Z170, Z270, Z370, X99, X299, Laptops.
 
Within 1-2 weeks*:  X79, W888, Z87, Z97.
 
*Please note that this date is projected, contingent on receiving source code from Intel, and final testing may push the dates back temporarily.
 
At this point, we do not have source code from Intel to update X58, P67, or Z77 motherboards.  When/if that becomes available, I'll provide an update.



Thank you very very much for the update details. 




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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/10 13:16:23 (permalink)
Time to knock it off guys.

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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/10 13:22:43 (permalink)
I need a BIOS update for my primary system very badly, and there is no where else to go for this issue except EVGA 
These users who -DO NOT- have this issue feel like they can post whatever they want...
 
Why should I have to put up with this type of trolling on a simple request for a serious known issue?
 
 
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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/10 13:31:19 (permalink)
You shouldn't have to put up with it. That's why I said it's time to knock it off.

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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/11 03:02:40 (permalink)
Whatever, by felica.

                               
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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/11 04:51:07 (permalink)
I have cleaned up this this thread. You've got a really decent update by the EVGA tech so let's leave it at that. Any further bickering and this thread will be locked. 

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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/11 05:34:40 (permalink)
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I have cleaned up this this thread. You've got a really decent update by the EVGA tech so let's leave it at that. Any further bickering and this thread will be locked. 





I expected better
 
The good old boys appear to own the EVGA forums....
 
Perhaps the mods need to think about the choices they have made about who is welcome on these forums.
Running off the the talented good guys in favor of a few mediocre trolls is retarded. Thats -why- this place is NOT what it once was.
 
Lock this thread, or not...   
post edited by maniacvvv - 2018/01/11 06:55:50




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Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/11 05:35:43 (permalink)
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Whatever, by felica.



and its "bye" for those who finished grade school
 
It's no wonder that the entire topic of this thread (and the posts in it) went way way over your head.
post edited by maniacvvv - 2018/01/11 05:50:41




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