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2021/11/20 01:55:42 (permalink)
 
Insane inflation, unaffordable cars/food/rent for many, shortages across the board, labour shortages, supply line collapse, pandemic raging on.    Is this the future or a passing phase?  Did they go through this in 1918 with the Spanish Flu?  Kinda depressing.
 

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/20 02:51:22 (permalink)
    In hundreds of years past mankind has managed to survive far worst disasters. 

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/20 02:51:22 (permalink)
    It's a passing phase. As long as people want to make money businesses will find a way. When they price the consumer out of the market then they will lower the price or increase workers wages. The pandemic and supply chain will eventually be problems that will be solved.

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/20 04:15:14 (permalink)
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     Insane inflation, unaffordable cars/food/rent for many, shortages across the board, labour shortages, supply line collapse, pandemic raging on.    Is this the future or a passing phase?  Did they go through this in 1918 with the Spanish Flu?  Kinda depressing.
     



    In some countries after the 1918 pandemic there were economic problems not counting the aftereffects of WWI.  The effect on the US economy wasn't that bad. (Source: Economic Historian 1918-flu)
     
    In recent events, if you remember, the late 70s was a economic disaster and inflation hit %13.55.  It took several years to ameliorate.


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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/20 05:25:23 (permalink)
    This too, shall pass.....but not with who is currently in power....
     

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/20 06:03:16 (permalink)
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    This too, shall pass.....but not with who is currently in power....
     


    This will pass.  Let’s hope when it does that the social experiment that got us here is also defeated.  The power of the services who do not manage misinformation or say they do while not doing a single thing and people who promote misinformation to control through fear and anger must be dealt with.  By the way, it’s not who is in power.  It is those who want power.



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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/20 07:33:13 (permalink)
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    This too, shall pass.....but not with who is currently in power....
     


    With a global economy no single country or leader has a magical wand that can fix pandemic related supply disruptions.

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/20 10:07:20 (permalink)
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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/20 13:07:58 (permalink)
     
    Agreed with everything pretty much said here.   I was just thinking about how the dark ages lasted 900 years and humanity saw very little advancement in that time.

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/20 13:10:57 (permalink)
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    In recent events, if you remember, the late 70s was a economic disaster and inflation hit %13.55.  It took several years to ameliorate.




    What is it right now? I searched it and found multiple different stats.

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/20 13:20:30 (permalink)
    It is kind of squishy depending on whose figures you use.  The inflation rate formula has changed since the 70s and 80s.  The CPI is one index, but a lot is now left out.  The most common I've found is 6.2% for October 2021 (Source: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi). 
     
    Personally, I think it is higher based on our household's normal shopping and expenses.  It will probably jump this winter as heating bills are factored in to the equation.


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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/20 14:04:46 (permalink)
    It seems that most people just don't understand the dynamics of a global pandemic.
    Every factory, company, or service that slows or pauses production, causes a break in the supply chain and has ripple effects that raises prices globally.
    Personally, I don't see things leveling out until this global pandemic is under control. 

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/24 19:56:30 (permalink)
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    Personally, I don't see things leveling out until this global pandemic is under control. 

    This never-ending pandemic will sure look pretty silly if some real scary disease starts spreading. Not to get political, but you have to wonder at some of it and wonder how things would have been different if it wasn't a US election year. A lot of fuss over not very much.
    Imagine ebola spreading. That, I could see causing chaos. A semi-worse global flu though? When will we stop making excuses and justifying things, instead of just letting things get back to normal? It seems to me that the people who are dragging this out usually have something to gain in the process.
    I get fear of the unknown and being cautious, but now that we know it well, why are we still doing these things?
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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/24 20:18:51 (permalink)
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    Insane inflation, unaffordable cars/food/rent for many, shortages across the board, labour shortages, supply line collapse, pandemic raging on.    Is this the future or a passing phase?  Did they go through this in 1918 with the Spanish Flu?  Kinda depressing.
     




    But were you alive and witnessed 1918 though?  I'm glad you are noticing reality, things are happening for sure, Ive noticed it myself, incredible price hikes around the board just like you said. But how much of news today is essentially Chicken Little and how much is reality though? There are things you have witnessed in life and remember other times, and that is your honest interpretation of change.
     
    In connection to EVGA and their forum, I went looking for gpu prices the other day, haven't had a new gpu in years, its unreal imo that for a flagship gpu is 2 grand now, and well over 1K for even a modest gpu. Been many many years since I bought a gaming system, and I see those are basically half a grand now too.
     
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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/24 21:10:55 (permalink)
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    Personally, I don't see things leveling out until this global pandemic is under control. 

    This never-ending pandemic will sure look pretty silly if some real scary disease starts spreading. Not to get political, but you have to wonder at some of it and wonder how things would have been different if it wasn't a US election year. A lot of fuss over not very much.
    Imagine ebola spreading. That, I could see causing chaos. A semi-worse global flu though? When will we stop making excuses and justifying things, instead of just letting things get back to normal? It seems to me that the people who are dragging this out usually have something to gain in the process.
    I get fear of the unknown and being cautious, but now that we know it well, why are we still doing these things?

     
    The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again is what is dragging this out. There is nothing political about it.

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/24 22:31:16 (permalink)
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    Personally, I don't see things leveling out until this global pandemic is under control. 

    This never-ending pandemic will sure look pretty silly if some real scary disease starts spreading. Not to get political, but you have to wonder at some of it and wonder how things would have been different if it wasn't a US election year. A lot of fuss over not very much.
    Imagine ebola spreading. That, I could see causing chaos. A semi-worse global flu though? When will we stop making excuses and justifying things, instead of just letting things get back to normal? It seems to me that the people who are dragging this out usually have something to gain in the process.
    I get fear of the unknown and being cautious, but now that we know it well, why are we still doing these things?

     
    The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again is what is dragging this out. There is nothing political about it.


    I've seen ZERO evidence of "The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again".
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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/24 22:45:41 (permalink)
     
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    Personally, I don't see things leveling out until this global pandemic is under control. 

    This never-ending pandemic will sure look pretty silly if some real scary disease starts spreading. Not to get political, but you have to wonder at some of it and wonder how things would have been different if it wasn't a US election year. A lot of fuss over not very much.
    Imagine ebola spreading. That, I could see causing chaos. A semi-worse global flu though? When will we stop making excuses and justifying things, instead of just letting things get back to normal? It seems to me that the people who are dragging this out usually have something to gain in the process.
    I get fear of the unknown and being cautious, but now that we know it well, why are we still doing these things?

     
    The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again is what is dragging this out. There is nothing political about it.


    I've seen ZERO evidence of "The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again".


    Available ICU beds and hospitals at max capacity is always a major concern....this has been going on for 2 years...you don't watch the national news?



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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/24 22:45:41 (permalink)
     A definition will go fine on this double post. 
    dys·to·pi·a
    /disˈtōpēə/
    noun
    an imagined state or society in which there is great suffering or injustice, typically one that is totalitarian or post-apocalyptic.



    post edited by Chaos_21 - 2021/11/25 00:29:01

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/24 22:50:14 (permalink)
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    Personally, I don't see things leveling out until this global pandemic is under control. 

    This never-ending pandemic will sure look pretty silly if some real scary disease starts spreading. Not to get political, but you have to wonder at some of it and wonder how things would have been different if it wasn't a US election year. A lot of fuss over not very much.
    Imagine ebola spreading. That, I could see causing chaos. A semi-worse global flu though? When will we stop making excuses and justifying things, instead of just letting things get back to normal? It seems to me that the people who are dragging this out usually have something to gain in the process.
    I get fear of the unknown and being cautious, but now that we know it well, why are we still doing these things?

    The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again is what is dragging this out. There is nothing political about it.

    I've seen ZERO evidence of "The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again".

    Can't have been looking very hard then lol. Running out of ICU beds is one of the biggest concerns when those peaks hit, that is why you'll often here the term "flattening the curve" - it's all about maintaining an ability to treat all the serious cases rather than having to triage to decide who lives and who dies based on available beds. Most hospitals have managed so far, some more so than others, but there most definitely have been a number of deaths which have been a direct result of simply 'not enough room at the inn'.
     
     

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/25 00:14:41 (permalink)
    You have hills and you have valleys. Mankind used to be on the hill, but now we are in the valley. We just have to climb the hill again. 

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/25 14:07:34 (permalink)
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    Personally, I don't see things leveling out until this global pandemic is under control. 

    This never-ending pandemic will sure look pretty silly if some real scary disease starts spreading. Not to get political, but you have to wonder at some of it and wonder how things would have been different if it wasn't a US election year. A lot of fuss over not very much.
    Imagine ebola spreading. That, I could see causing chaos. A semi-worse global flu though? When will we stop making excuses and justifying things, instead of just letting things get back to normal? It seems to me that the people who are dragging this out usually have something to gain in the process.
    I get fear of the unknown and being cautious, but now that we know it well, why are we still doing these things?

     
    The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again is what is dragging this out. There is nothing political about it.


    I've seen ZERO evidence of "The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again".


    Available ICU beds and hospitals at max capacity is always a major concern....this has been going on for 2 years...you don't watch the national news?





    ICU beds are far from full. You trust the news? Seriously?
     
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    Personally, I don't see things leveling out until this global pandemic is under control. 

    This never-ending pandemic will sure look pretty silly if some real scary disease starts spreading. Not to get political, but you have to wonder at some of it and wonder how things would have been different if it wasn't a US election year. A lot of fuss over not very much.
    Imagine ebola spreading. That, I could see causing chaos. A semi-worse global flu though? When will we stop making excuses and justifying things, instead of just letting things get back to normal? It seems to me that the people who are dragging this out usually have something to gain in the process.
    I get fear of the unknown and being cautious, but now that we know it well, why are we still doing these things?

    The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again is what is dragging this out. There is nothing political about it.

    I've seen ZERO evidence of "The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again".

    Can't have been looking very hard then lol. Running out of ICU beds is one of the biggest concerns when those peaks hit, that is why you'll often here the term "flattening the curve" - it's all about maintaining an ability to treat all the serious cases rather than having to triage to decide who lives and who dies based on available beds. Most hospitals have managed so far, some more so than others, but there most definitely have been a number of deaths which have been a direct result of simply 'not enough room at the inn'.
     
     


    Running out of ICU beds is a concern, but it's not happening right now.
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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/25 14:18:14 (permalink)
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    Personally, I don't see things leveling out until this global pandemic is under control. 

    This never-ending pandemic will sure look pretty silly if some real scary disease starts spreading. Not to get political, but you have to wonder at some of it and wonder how things would have been different if it wasn't a US election year. A lot of fuss over not very much.
    Imagine ebola spreading. That, I could see causing chaos. A semi-worse global flu though? When will we stop making excuses and justifying things, instead of just letting things get back to normal? It seems to me that the people who are dragging this out usually have something to gain in the process.
    I get fear of the unknown and being cautious, but now that we know it well, why are we still doing these things?

    The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again is what is dragging this out. There is nothing political about it.

    I've seen ZERO evidence of "The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again".

    Can't have been looking very hard then lol. Running out of ICU beds is one of the biggest concerns when those peaks hit, that is why you'll often here the term "flattening the curve" - it's all about maintaining an ability to treat all the serious cases rather than having to triage to decide who lives and who dies based on available beds. Most hospitals have managed so far, some more so than others, but there most definitely have been a number of deaths which have been a direct result of simply 'not enough room at the inn'.

    Running out of ICU beds is a concern, but it's not happening right now.

    Not right now, at least not in the US. Some parts of Europe are currently experiencing a peak higher than any prior for Covid. US seems to follow 2-3 months behind what happens in parts of Europe. I guess the US is lucky in a way for that advance notice, and can attempt additional preventative measures ahead of time. On the other hand, I read Japan is experiencing their lowest numbers since the pandemic began, and there's a theory that the Delta variant there has mutated itself to a point where it can't reproduce. I really hope that is true.
     
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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/25 20:52:03 (permalink)
    Im still living on about 700-800 a month. The slightly higher gas and food prices aren’t the best but from what I seen food prices are only bad on more name brand stuff.
    Most everything else seem to be the same were I live.


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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/25 20:58:32 (permalink)
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    Personally, I don't see things leveling out until this global pandemic is under control. 

    This never-ending pandemic will sure look pretty silly if some real scary disease starts spreading. Not to get political, but you have to wonder at some of it and wonder how things would have been different if it wasn't a US election year. A lot of fuss over not very much.
    Imagine ebola spreading. That, I could see causing chaos. A semi-worse global flu though? When will we stop making excuses and justifying things, instead of just letting things get back to normal? It seems to me that the people who are dragging this out usually have something to gain in the process.
    I get fear of the unknown and being cautious, but now that we know it well, why are we still doing these things?

    The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again is what is dragging this out. There is nothing political about it.

    I've seen ZERO evidence of "The climbing infection rate that overruns our hospitals time and time again".

    Can't have been looking very hard then lol. Running out of ICU beds is one of the biggest concerns when those peaks hit, that is why you'll often here the term "flattening the curve" - it's all about maintaining an ability to treat all the serious cases rather than having to triage to decide who lives and who dies based on available beds. Most hospitals have managed so far, some more so than others, but there most definitely have been a number of deaths which have been a direct result of simply 'not enough room at the inn'.

    Running out of ICU beds is a concern, but it's not happening right now.
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    My sis works in a icu for covid patients in Columbus Ohio. The things she told me is down right opposite of what media is saying.
    But what gets me is at the end of the day after work she can go do whatever. I mean she’s around covid positive people all day. But if you or I was close to anyone with covid its 2 week house arrest with no trial.


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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/25 23:59:09 (permalink)
    Another new covid strain in South Africa. Stay safe everyone. 

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/26 02:50:44 (permalink)
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    Another new covid strain in South Africa. Stay safe everyone. 




    At least everyone should know what to do by now. It's best to be aware and assume that it's not just in South Africa since as we know the people who just tested positive contracted it about a week ago. The biggest concern is it is rumored to be resistant to the vaccine.

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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/26 04:38:52 (permalink)
    Basically this crap ends once we start telling those in power "no" to more of their preposterous demands.
    And if they persist, we take them OUT of power.
    Remember, the power is OURS.
    THEY are simply public servants.


     
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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/26 04:44:25 (permalink)
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    Another new covid strain in South Africa. Stay safe everyone. 


    Proof?
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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/26 04:55:19 (permalink)
    Yeah, there's another variant and some countries are instituting flight restrictions.  (Source: https://www.wsj.com/artic...us-variant-11637862061 and https://www.foxnews.com/health/who-meets-to-discuss-new-heavily-mutated-covid-19-variant)
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    Re: Are we headed for a dystopia? 2021/11/26 05:06:53 (permalink)
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    Yeah, there's another variant and some countries are instituting flight restrictions.  (Source: https://www.wsj.com/artic...us-variant-11637862061 and https://www.foxnews.com/health/who-meets-to-discuss-new-heavily-mutated-covid-19-variant)


    Do you personally know someone there that can verify this? This isn't the first time the same garbage has come out about South Africa and covid.
     
    Same scare tactics used then as being used now.
     
    https://nypost.com/2021/08/30/covid-19-variant-found-in-south-africa-could-circumvent-vaccine-report/
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