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2019/11/19 21:02:56 (permalink)
I was looking at upgrading this year since my PC is hitting it's final legs. I saw THIS and think it's a good deal with the hardware in it. I'm still so against pre-built at times and still enjoy building my own but I cannot come close to this price vs performance. Does anyone here have any input or build ideas that are better besides the quality of parts obviously. I start coming in around $2100 or more for what I want...lol Can anyone close? The price is $1389 for anyone that cannot log in and see the price and it's Canadian.

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Re: Any Ideas? 2019/11/19 21:24:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby wizdumb1 2019/11/29 20:41:00
This would be a good balanced build for a bit cheaper. 2070 is just mid range on the GPU so a midrange CPU is fine, which is why they paired it on the prebuilt with a i5. If you decide to upgrade GPU later can also upgrade CPU if you need to, AM4 socket will be for 1 more generation of Ryzen so Zen 3 in 2020 will also be AM4. That prebuilt doesn't have a great upgrade path.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/49Cqp8
 
If wanting more CPU performance could pay an extra $50 or so for the Ryzen 3600 but not really necessary for a 2070.
 
Here is a similar intel build, I don't recommend it personally as upgrade path is very poor currently as the next generation intel chips will be an entirely new board and platform.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/HyFp27
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Re: Any Ideas? 2019/11/19 21:48:47 (permalink)
Much appreciated! My current pc is going on 5yrs now, It's starting to show its age.

I'm not current on the newest hardware. I'm trying to get a mid high end build going. Max $2K, Obviously the lower the better. I do a bit of everything like gaming to photoshop.

The pricing on hardware does not seem as generous as it once was or maybe it's me.

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Re: Any Ideas? 2019/11/19 23:06:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby wizdumb1 2019/11/29 20:41:12
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Much appreciated! My current pc is going on 5yrs now, It's starting to show its age.

I'm not current on the newest hardware. I'm trying to get a mid high end build going. Max $2K, Obviously the lower the better. I do a bit of everything like gaming to photoshop.

The pricing on hardware does not seem as generous as it once was or maybe it's me.



Since you mention Photoshop I would go Ryzen 3rd gen as they are currently the best at photoshop for the money since they have very fast single core. Plus they game great and have the latest features and upgrade path. Intel has some great parts but don't have the current feature set such as pci-e gen 4 or an upgrade path. If you buy an 8 core 9900k for intel that is as good as processor you will ever have for that platform, vs Ryzen you could purchase a 6 or 8 core now and 3 years down the road add a 16 core to the same motherboard and increase performance without a total rebuild. 
 

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Re: Any Ideas? 2019/11/19 23:20:33 (permalink)
If you're doing a lot of photoshop, especially at 4K then 16GB of ram is too low. 32GB would be minimum. 

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Re: Any Ideas? 2019/11/20 16:07:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby wizdumb1 2019/11/29 20:40:30
I'd say to pick up a good 2070 Super FTW3 or 2080 Super FTW3 and drop it in your current rig, get the monitor you want, then start shopping for good deal on a fairly powerful cpu, mb, fast NVMe drive, 32gb ram etc. 
 
Your current rig should still run any game at 60fps+, so unless you're getting into high FPS gaming...
 
The jump from your 4770k to a 9600k is only about +30%, I don't think you'll be really impressed by that in the alienware with the same 16gb ram and an unspecified 256gb SSD.  The spec'd 1tb HDD is hysterically small today.
 
Here's a quick pass at a set of strong components at a budget price, with the option to step up to a high end Ryzen cpu later:
 
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Ws2fPn
 
Keep in mind an AMD 2700 like I picked above will have better multithread productivity app and 3dmark scores than the 4770k but little single thread improvement, while the 9600k will give you the +30% performance all around, about $100 more than above.  Really need to step up to a 9900K to get a 50%+ improvement all around.  However, the 9600K and 9700K do really, really well in most modern gaming benchmarks.
 
http://hwbench.com/cpus/intel-core-i7-4770k-vs-amd-ryzen-7-2700
http://hwbench.com/cpus/intel-core-i5-9600k-vs-intel-core-i7-4770k
http://hwbench.com/cpus/i...vs-intel-core-i7-4770k
 
Another option to look at is trying to get a bootable M.2 NMVe drive on a PCIe adapter running on your current motherboard, it's theoretically possible and only about $15 for a generic adapter, or $30 for the Asus used....
 
https://rog.asus.com/foru...D-with-Maximus-Hero-VI
https://www.win-raid.com/...-an-AMI-UEFI-BIOS.html
 
Your current MB only supports DDR3 from what I see, so it's a tough sell saying to pick up another 16GB at $95 CA.
 
 https://www.newegg.ca/cor...dram/p/N82E16820233535
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Re: Any Ideas? 2019/11/22 03:17:13 (permalink)
I'm taking in the input given. I've been playing around a bit to build a solid list then watching on black Friday. List
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fWPkXv

Still looking at the missing parts, Undecided.

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Re: Any Ideas? 2019/11/22 05:55:12 (permalink)
Looking good there.  The 9700k is a great chip especially for gaming. The MB is a strong budget choice, good all around but not great.  Should XMP with almost any common performance ram, though notably not g.skill 3000CL16 2x16GB.   
 
https://www.gskill.com/configurator?page=1&cls=1529635169&adSearch2=Capacity%C2%A732GB%20(8GBx4),Capacity%C2%A732GB%20(16GBx2),Tested_Speed%C2%A73000MHz,Tested_Speed%C2%A73200MHz,Tested_Speed%C2%A73600MHz,&manufacturer=1524715126&chipset=1539226265&model=1539226491
 
Samsung makes great drives but their value prospect is marginal.  Have a look a the HP EX950 2TB, you could get into one of those for the same price the two drives you've spec'd.  I've got a pair of 1TB EX920's and an Optane 900p boot drive in my machine.
 
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hp-ex950-nvme-ssd-2tb,5306-2.html
 
Strongly consider the FTW3 gpu for the small price premium because they are the only way you can get a evga super card with a considerably higher power limit, important for overclocking.
 
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qjH8TW/evga-geforce-rtx-2070-super-8-gb-ftw3-ultra-video-card-08g-p4-3377-kr
 
850w is a bit overkill on the PSU, 750w or even 650w would be enough.
 
HDD - get a WD Elements 8TB or similar on sale and shuck it.
 
CPU Cooler - large Noctua or BeQuiet air cooler.  If you get a AIO cooler make sure you don't front mount it obstructing all the front case fans, as this will starve the GPU of proper air flow.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Any Ideas? 2019/11/22 15:01:27 (permalink)
I looked at the 2070 Super FTW3 and I can only find it at Newegg for $799 CA

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Re: Any Ideas? 2019/11/26 08:24:39 (permalink)
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I looked at the 2070 Super FTW3 and I can only find it at Newegg for $799 CA



There is a good deal on the 2070 Super Black on newegg right now.  While the FTW3 is great, if you're really trying to contain budget the Black will be just fine.  What's crazy is the 2070S benches about the same as a basic non-A chip 2080.
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Re: Any Ideas? 2019/11/29 20:47:42 (permalink)
Picked up the Super black today. I have everything except for the motherboard and case. Snagged a few along the way. I am looking at the Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI still but still not 100% on it. It has everything I am looking for in a board but I want to make sure I'm getting the best for my money. Looking to keep my spending on the board around the cost of that board or less without sacrifice. As for the case there are so many to choose from and I'm not looking to blow the bank on one. I'm already in almost $1900 Canadian and two parts left....lol

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Re: Any Ideas? 2019/11/30 09:28:48 (permalink)
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Picked up the Super black today. I have everything except for the motherboard and case. Snagged a few along the way. I am looking at the Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI still but still not 100% on it. It has everything I am looking for in a board but I want to make sure I'm getting the best for my money. Looking to keep my spending on the board around the cost of that board or less without sacrifice. As for the case there are so many to choose from and I'm not looking to blow the bank on one. I'm already in almost $1900 Canadian and two parts left....lol




Make sure you buy a motherboard that is on the QVL list for your ram.
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Re: Any Ideas? 2019/11/30 21:19:51 (permalink)
I picked up the pro wifi. I'm not sure why but I just keep going back to it. I'm sitting here with everything and want to build so bad but I made a choice on a cooler that I am changing. I picked up this coolermaster Aio. I ended up coming across this Evga cooler for $99 and like the way it looks more. It was a toss up between air and one of these and I like the way it looks. My problem now is I had to order it and cannot open the other one because if I do I can't return it. All I have sitting around is the stock cooler from my 4770k I never used. Guess I have to be patient....lol

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