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2018/07/10 19:01:25 (permalink)
Spectre, the flaw that keeps on giving back.  Another variant has been found, and Intel is now moving to release updates quarterly instead of dropping the information to security websites when the flaws are found.  They want to roll out the information like MS does, like a service, and streamline it instead of the chaos it currently is.  This is insane, and stupid as it will just give the exploits more time in the wild.  
 
Want to know more about what Intel is planning to do?  Read about it here and realize it's maybe time to give up on Intel.  If you have any older hardware, it's at the point now where it might be a liability to even have it on the internet if your OEM hasn't given you a bios update to address these issues.  Ahem ASUS owners, like ME!

 

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/10 20:32:41 (permalink)
    roflmao the AMD fanboy hysteria is hilarious.
     
    Thanks for the laughs.
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/10 20:50:12 (permalink)
    I am not an AMD fanboy.  At this point in time owning anything that is currently unpatchable that is Intel is dangerous, period.  As my signature states, I have an Asus board, and Asus in their infinite wisdom has deemed that it's EOL and that they do not have the resources to make a patch for my board, and thus I am unpatched for Meltdown, which doesn't affect AMD and I can only run windows patches for Spectre.  Think of all the other OEM's that have refused to release firmwares for their older hardware, and the sheer amount of Intel systems that are currently vulnerable.
     
    Calling this AMD fanboyism is infantile.  This is serious.  Unless of course you think being able to remotely own a system just by visiting a web page on any of the hundreds of millions of system that are affected by these flaws, isn't that big of a deal.

     

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/10 22:04:33 (permalink)
    <=Intel fanboy
    NOTHING TO SEE HERE PEOPLE, MOVE IT ALONG!

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/11 05:28:49 (permalink)
    Chaos? What chaos?
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/11 05:36:41 (permalink)
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    This is serious.  Unless of course you think being able to remotely own a system just by visiting a web page on any of the hundreds of millions of system that are affected by these flaws, isn't that big of a deal.

    Agreed. It's insane that some people don't realize how serious these vulnerabilities are.

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/11 06:55:30 (permalink)
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    roflmao the AMD fanboy hysteria is hilarious.
     
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/11 07:50:06 (permalink)

    Bug affects Intel and ARM, most likely AMD too

    Intel and ARM have publicly acknowledged that some of their CPUs are vulnerable to Spectre 1.1. AMD has not published a statement, but AMD has been historically slow at reviewing security issues. Since all Spectre attacks affected AMD CPUs, it is safe to assume that these new ones also affect AMD's portfolio as well.
     
    Source: https://www.bleepingcompu...2-cpu-flaws-disclosed/
     
     
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/11 19:54:17 (permalink)
    Can somebody point out where these exploits have actually been used in the real world and caused any damage?
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/11 21:23:08 (permalink)
    Switch to Linux, from what I understand Linux patches all these issues in the kernel at bootup.
    Myself I am not going to worry about it until I hear of someone actually getting their data stolen.

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/11 21:51:34 (permalink)
    As of January 22 there were already 119 variations of Meltdown and Spectre malware available.  That's not even 3 weeks after the bugs were made public.  Sadly any other information is behind a paywall.  But here's the real problem.  The hardware that OEM's aren't patching, will be unpatched for their entire lifespan.  So they will always be exploitable until the enduser replaces the device.  That's 20 years worth of hardware, most of which is still in service, and only the last 2 years of which will be patched properly.
     
    As of when and if these exploits have been used, do you really think any corporation would acknowledge being hit by this?  It won't be until end users start getting hit by the millions that this will finally be taken seriously.  This could be like the massive sasser worm attack in 2004, except there is no software to fix the hardware :).

     

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/11 22:20:56 (permalink)
    I do believe Linux patches all these problems on bootup in the kernel,
    Microsoft does not, so they need a patch in the hardware.
     
    In this day and age, only way to be safe is turn off all your electronics and go back to pen and paper and the good ole telephone.
    But even that can be tapped. The mailman reads all our mail so, best bet, just don't talk to anyone.
     

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/12 05:28:41 (permalink)
    Okay, so no real world uses and damage "reported" so far. Phew, I was going to set my hair on fire with all the chaos these exploits were causing.
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/12 07:04:25 (permalink)
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    Okay, so no real world uses and damage "reported" so far. Phew, I was going to set my hair on fire with all the chaos these exploits were causing.

    No real-world uses? Are you serious? People have demonstrated the vulnerability is exploitable simply by visiting a malicious website with no elevated permissions or pre-existing compromises required. I would say that is an extremely bad real-world use. Do you use a browser to browse the web? You are potentially vulnerable to leaking all the contents of your system memory to the owner of the website. That's a real-world use.

    If/when that happens, you won't know it. You probably won't notice until months later that your accounts, details, network, or anything else was compromised. And once you do realize a compromise, it will be hard to know the source of the compromise and trace it back to this specific vulnerability. What they do in these sorts of situations is mine a bunch of data from as many users as possible, and then sift through it looking for interesting targets, interesting compromises, and interested buyers of the data. Don't expect reports any time soon.
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/12 07:43:29 (permalink)
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    Okay, so no real world uses and damage "reported" so far. Phew, I was going to set my hair on fire with all the chaos these exploits were causing.

    No real-world uses? Are you serious? People have demonstrated the vulnerability is exploitable simply by visiting a malicious website with no elevated permissions or pre-existing compromises required. I would say that is an extremely bad real-world use. Do you use a browser to browse the web? You are potentially vulnerable to leaking all the contents of your system memory to the owner of the website. That's a real-world use.

    If/when that happens, you won't know it. You probably won't notice until months later that your accounts, details, network, or anything else was compromised. And once you do realize a compromise, it will be hard to know the source of the compromise and trace it back to this specific vulnerability. What they do in these sorts of situations is mine a bunch of data from as many users as possible, and then sift through it looking for interesting targets, interesting compromises, and interested buyers of the data. Don't expect reports any time soon.

    Lab demonstrations, yes. Any real world chaos for these exploits, nope. These have been known long enough to be out and causing chaos by now and reported on. Go ahead and set your hair on fire, since you think all your data has already been compromised.
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/12 07:50:54 (permalink)

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/12 09:14:09 (permalink)
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    Ha ha, but I'm not setting my hair on fire like others are.
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/12 15:54:22 (permalink)
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    Okay, so no real world uses and damage "reported" so far. Phew, I was going to set my hair on fire with all the chaos these exploits were causing.

    No real-world uses? Are you serious? People have demonstrated the vulnerability is exploitable simply by visiting a malicious website with no elevated permissions or pre-existing compromises required. I would say that is an extremely bad real-world use. Do you use a browser to browse the web? You are potentially vulnerable to leaking all the contents of your system memory to the owner of the website. That's a real-world use.

    If/when that happens, you won't know it. You probably won't notice until months later that your accounts, details, network, or anything else was compromised. And once you do realize a compromise, it will be hard to know the source of the compromise and trace it back to this specific vulnerability. What they do in these sorts of situations is mine a bunch of data from as many users as possible, and then sift through it looking for interesting targets, interesting compromises, and interested buyers of the data. Don't expect reports any time soon.

    Lab demonstrations, yes. Any real world chaos for these exploits, nope. These have been known long enough to be out and causing chaos by now and reported on. Go ahead and set your hair on fire, since you think all your data has already been compromised.

    You are insane.
    Working code. No elevated permissions required. No additional app required. No pre-existing compromises required. Undetectable by anti-virus. Is capable of accessing absolutely any portion of system memory. Can be implemented in multiple programming languages and inserted into a nearly limitless number of apps. Few solutions are available if not provided from manufacturer's patches. Browsers were patched right away to limit the exploit, but are soon poised to be un-patched in upcoming WebAssembly updates. Yup, nothing to worry about.
    Good luck.
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/12 17:39:13 (permalink)
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    Okay, so no real world uses and damage "reported" so far. Phew, I was going to set my hair on fire with all the chaos these exploits were causing.

    No real-world uses? Are you serious? People have demonstrated the vulnerability is exploitable simply by visiting a malicious website with no elevated permissions or pre-existing compromises required. I would say that is an extremely bad real-world use. Do you use a browser to browse the web? You are potentially vulnerable to leaking all the contents of your system memory to the owner of the website. That's a real-world use.

    If/when that happens, you won't know it. You probably won't notice until months later that your accounts, details, network, or anything else was compromised. And once you do realize a compromise, it will be hard to know the source of the compromise and trace it back to this specific vulnerability. What they do in these sorts of situations is mine a bunch of data from as many users as possible, and then sift through it looking for interesting targets, interesting compromises, and interested buyers of the data. Don't expect reports any time soon.

    Lab demonstrations, yes. Any real world chaos for these exploits, nope. These have been known long enough to be out and causing chaos by now and reported on. Go ahead and set your hair on fire, since you think all your data has already been compromised.

    You are insane.
    Working code. No elevated permissions required. No additional app required. No pre-existing compromises required. Undetectable by anti-virus. Is capable of accessing absolutely any portion of system memory. Can be implemented in multiple programming languages and inserted into a nearly limitless number of apps. Few solutions are available if not provided from manufacturer's patches. Browsers were patched right away to limit the exploit, but are soon poised to be un-patched in upcoming WebAssembly updates. Yup, nothing to worry about.
    Good luck.

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/12 20:35:20 (permalink)
    being cynical, my T9400 in my old Lenovo T500 which is what I am using at the moment seems to have more bugs than a whorehouse 
     

      


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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/12 21:36:44 (permalink)
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    but are soon poised to be un-patched in upcoming WebAssembly updates.

    Good thing we can disable browser updates.
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/15 17:15:05 (permalink)
     
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/16 00:43:42 (permalink)
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    but are soon poised to be un-patched in upcoming WebAssembly updates.

    Good thing we can disable browser updates.


    It's not a browser-only vulnerability. It's good if you can keep a patched browser version since an un-patched browser version is a huge opportunity to be targetted without even knowing it, but any other software could be nefariously used.

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/17 04:37:15 (permalink)
    just use a text based browser opened from a dos computer, these things don't affect the 486
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/17 06:25:19 (permalink)
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    just use a text based browser opened from a dos computer, these things don't affect the 486




    All browsers from IE1 onward are GUI based. Netscape was the same thing.
     
    Windows 95 or better was also needed.
     

      


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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/17 10:59:43 (permalink)

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/17 11:53:44 (permalink)
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    good news on the horizon - 
     
    https://www.theregister.c...17/spectre_protectors/


    Someone stop ty_ger07 from setting his hair on fire!!! Or is it too late?
     
    From the posted article.....
     
    Apvrille's work backs up what we've heard from other researchers: so far, Spectre exploitation is theoretical, with no exploits in the wild. She wrote that while there was a flurry of “Spectre exploit” stories based on AV-Test sample collection, it turned out that all of the reported samples were proofs-of-concept rather than genuine malware.

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/17 13:34:52 (permalink)
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    good news on the horizon - 
     
    https://www.theregister.c...17/spectre_protectors/


    Someone stop ty_ger07 from setting his hair on fire!!! Or is it too late?
     
    From the posted article.....
     
    Apvrille's work backs up what we've heard from other researchers: so far, Spectre exploitation is theoretical, with no exploits in the wild. She wrote that while there was a flurry of “Spectre exploit” stories based on AV-Test sample collection, it turned out that all of the reported samples were proofs-of-concept rather than genuine malware.


    I am not sure of the point you are trying to make. It is a terribly dangerous flaw based on its proven capabilities alone. It completely breaks the hardware and software security measures and leaks any portion of system memory desired without any special permissions required. It is hard to define a more dangerous security flaw.
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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/20 18:22:19 (permalink)
    So I downloaded the InSpectre tool and I got this as my result.
     

     

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    Re: Another data-leaking Spectre CPU flaw among Intel's dirty dozen of security bug alerts 2018/07/20 23:46:26 (permalink)
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    So I downloaded the InSpectre tool and I got this as my result.
     

     


    Again, what's your point? You are the center of the universe, it seems.

    As already stated multiple times, it's an extremely serious vulnerability which requires patching. If your board manufacturer patched the issue, good for you. La-di-da. Others haven't. Go find somewhere else to be the center of attention.
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2018/07/20 23:51:31

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