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So seeing that there will apparently (supposedly?) be a 3080 with 20gb memory...is there any real performance gain to be had if not playing in 4k between 10 or 20? I was under the impression that simply throwing more memory on a card doesn't substantially increase gaming performance?
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/18 17:06:24
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/18 17:09:40
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Prob not that big of a worry unless your going to hang onto the card for a couple of years and may buy a 4k TV.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/18 17:11:03
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Prob not that big of a worry unless your going to hang onto the card for a couple of years and may buy a 4k TV.
Nah. I don’t think I'll make the jump from 3440X1440 to 4k any time soon.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/19 00:41:34
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Cyberpunk uses over 12 gigs vram at 1440P ultra setting.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/19 00:49:31
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Cyberpunk uses over 12 gigs vram at 1440P ultra setting.
Can you cite your source? I know the recommended specs that were in the live stream today stated 12GB of system memory but that is not VRAM.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/19 01:01:05
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Anyone who is working with high res photoshop will find 20GB of memory useful. Resolutions over 4K will benefit.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/19 01:01:19
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Cyberpunk uses over 12 gigs vram at 1440P ultra setting.
Horizon - Zero Dawn sometimes used all my 11GB Vram fulleye candy @2560x1440p. but its rare i reach such VRAM values on games.. in AC Odyssey happened once in a while as well.. as for cyberpunk2077 i already saw the recommended OFFICIAL specs and i am above them all .. i shouldn't find any issue running it. 4K is becoming the new 1080p as we start to advance into 8K territory and many people will definitely go for more res sooner or later.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/19 01:06:17
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Testers often post "vram allocation" stats for games, but that can be unreliable because games often allocate memory they're not actually using.
If you want to get an idea of what a "not enough vram" penalty looks like you can compare benches of the 2060 (6gb) against the 2060 super (8gb).
The super is consistently a 12% better card across dozens of 1080p and 1440p tests. At 4K it's 21% better. This strongly suggests a 9% penalty being paid for not enough VRAM.
So if a 6GB card isn't hitting VRAM penalties until 4k in current games, I think 10GB is plenty for 4k and absolutely fine for 1440p.
If you're curious about the numbers I'm using they are from here-
anandtech.com/bench/product/2515?vs=2517
and here -
youtu.be/csSmiaR3RVE?t=967
youtu.be/csSmiaR3RVE?t=988
If this doesn't convince you, those 20gb cards will be out and tested ad nauseum in a couple months and the whole vram debate will be put to bed.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/19 08:15:53
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IMO the 3080s will be perfect for high refresh 2k gaming. I was gonna wait for the Eve Spectrum or something similar but the new Dell S2721DGF went on sale for like 1 day and I couldn't pass it up. 2k 165hz IPS 1ms for $360!!
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/19 08:21:22
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Cyberpunk uses over 12 gigs vram at 1440P ultra setting.
4K is becoming the new 1080p as we start to advance into 8K territory and many people will definitely go for more res sooner or later.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/19 08:55:50
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The biggest benefit imo for high vram is DirectStorage. However, until it actually comes out or there is a leak, we won't know if Vram benefits it or not. I highly suspect it will, given how all these new gen cards are dripping with extra memory to be used.
Or just any new technological advance that might learn to leverage the gpu better. Remember, gpus aren't exclusive for gaming. There are other applications.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/19 09:07:22
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More VRAM is more for compute and so on.
For people into stuff like video editing it's huge.
For gaming we still don't actually use all 8GB VRAM on the 2000 series.(Before someone chimes in allocation is not the same as actual usage)
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/19 09:19:55
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The biggest benefit imo for high vram is DirectStorage. However, until it actually comes out or there is a leak, we won't know if Vram benefits it or not. I highly suspect it will, given how all these new gen cards are dripping with extra memory to be used.
Or just any new technological advance that might learn to leverage the gpu better. Remember, gpus aren't exclusive for gaming. There are other applications.
Direct Storage skips the CPU to get data in RAM/VRAM faster. It won't increase memory usage.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/19 09:28:43
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There's a difference between actual used Vram and allocated that everyone seems to be missing. They see benchmarks showing Vram allocation max thinking that the sky is falling. Unless you're 8k gaming I don't get the fuss.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/19 12:03:32
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The biggest benefit imo for high vram is DirectStorage. However, until it actually comes out or there is a leak, we won't know if Vram benefits it or not. I highly suspect it will, given how all these new gen cards are dripping with extra memory to be used.
Or just any new technological advance that might learn to leverage the gpu better. Remember, gpus aren't exclusive for gaming. There are other applications.
Direct Storage skips the CPU to get data in RAM/VRAM faster. It won't increase memory usage.
There is an argument here that it could throw it into VRAM in a queue to be decompressed or even compressed. If the GPU is now able to access storage skipping the CPU and RAM entirely, it basically means the VRAM could be used for other purposes in the future. I am not smart enough to think of what that could be, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/20 05:34:00
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Those 3 displayports on the back aren't just there for show.
Every time you see the scores from one of the 4 horsemen of the GPU benchmarking apocalypse, they're comparing base single screen configurations: HD, QHD, and UHD.
Yes, there are ordinary, everyday people exceeding 4k on top end enthusiast cards for memory hungry exotic setups. Because they're using all them fancy ports.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/20 16:57:41
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Cyberpunk uses over 12 gigs vram at 1440P ultra setting.
Horizon - Zero Dawn sometimes used all my 11GB Vram fulleye candy @2560x1440p.
but its rare i reach such VRAM values on games.. in AC Odyssey happened once in a while as well..
as for cyberpunk2077 i already saw the recommended OFFICIAL specs and i am above them all .. i shouldn't find any issue running it.
4K is becoming the new 1080p as we start to advance into 8K territory and many people will definitely go for more res sooner or later.
USING that much VRAM and REQUESTING that much VRAM are 2 different things. They are not the same. Some games (like Horizon) will just request all the VRAM available regardless of using it or not. And no, Horizon at 1440p isn't coming anywhere near using all 11GB of VRAM. PS: And in no way is 4K becoming the new 1080p. It's not even close, like its so far away from becoming the norm it may as well be in another solar system. I really suggest you do some research on the matter as any cursory glance at Steam survey will tell you how far off you are. LOL to further illustrate.....in the steam survey 1080p actually made a larger gain between quarters than 4K did https://store.steampowere...urvey-Welcome-to-Steam
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/24 21:54:28
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Try to future proof yourself.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/25 13:32:19
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My hypothesis is that a 20GB 3080 would not be able to run any game that uses 20GB of VRAM at greater than 60FPS, let alone greater than 120 fps.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/25 21:26:59
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Isn't the new DDR6X RAM a lot faster than the previous? So 10GB of this RAM goes further than what the 20 series had right?
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/09/26 01:54:44
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I think 4k video will really become popular with the latest cameras, and that's the main reason i'm going for the 3090. Otherwise, for gaming only i'm not sure i'd need that much VRAM.
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Re: Advantage to more memory?
2020/10/09 03:05:50
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Not for some time still, you will be upgrading well before you will notice any big difference in not having the extra 10gb of memory
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