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https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/amd_s_reportedly_working_on_a_gpu_they_re_calling_nvidia_killer/1 Navi is only the start of AMD's RDNA journey. AMD's CEO, Lisa Su, has already confirmed that the company has "execution on those [products] are on track" when asked about high-end Navi and Zen 2 mobile hardware. Furthermore, AMD has already confirmed that RDNA 2 is coming in a 7nm+ manufacturing process. This is the same process which is set to be used to manufacture AMD's Zen 3 Milan processors, which are due in Mid-2020. With this in mind, it looks like RDNA 2 is coming in 2020, and rumour has it that AMD is internally calling these GPUs "Nvidia Killer". As always, please take this rumours with a grain of salt. Red Gaming Tech claims that AMD's "Nvidia killers" come in the form of Navi 21 and Navi 23. Their report also states that the company's first Radeon Navi cards released late due to Radeon's radically redesigned core architecture. With their "Next Gen RDNA" graphics cards, AMD plans to enter the world of hybrid ray tracing. This shift will bring the company's graphics cards in line with Nvidia's RTX series, at least in terms of raytracing capabilities. This move will mark a time where Radeon will hope to have its own form of Ryzen Revival, leveraging RDNA's use in both next-generation console and their gaming-focused architectural changes to gain market share within the graphics market. Ultimately, the success of AMD's next-generation RDNA parts will depend on the strength of Nvidia's response.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 09:18:01
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So in 2020 AMD will make products that beat Nvidia product released in 2018 ? Marketing run amuck ? Intel & Nvidia will probably be very competitive ....
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
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they need to speed it up - that timetable isn't gonna do it.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 10:23:33
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good, I like competition, but won't buy AMD GPU's...heh
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 12:16:56
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transdogmifier good, I like competition, but won't buy AMD GPU's...heh
If too many do the same out of principle, there will be no competition.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 12:23:33
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ty_ger07 If too many do the same out of principle, there will be no competition.
I don’t believe that will ever be an issue, since plenty of people go either way.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 12:26:18
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transdogmifier good, I like competition, but won't buy AMD GPU's...heh
......I don't think you know what you're saying.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 12:35:26
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Cool GTX So in 2020 AMD will make products that beat Nvidia product released in 2018 ?
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 12:37:42
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Cool GTX So in 2020 AMD will make products that beat Nvidia product released in 2018 ? Marketing run amuck ? Intel & Nvidia will probably be very competitive ....
Pretty much. panzlock
transdogmifier good, I like competition, but won't buy AMD GPU's...heh
......I don't think you know what you're saying.
I do. He likes performance better and fair comparisons than PR hype.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 12:46:36
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Cool GTX So in 2020 AMD will make products that beat Nvidia product released in 2018 ? Marketing run amuck ? Intel & Nvidia will probably be very competitive ....
Pretty much.
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transdogmifier good, I like competition, but won't buy AMD GPU's...heh
......I don't think you know what you're saying.
I do. He likes performance better and fair comparisons than PR hype.
That's not what he's saying. What he said was that regardless of what performance AMD musters he will never purchase their products. He would rather overpay for a product than relinquish money to a worthy competitor. He wants AMD to be successful only to help decrease pricing on hardware from a manufacturer to which he holds a mental affiliation, but would never support AMD in reaching that goal regardless of their relative performance stature. A counter-intuitive mentality, yet abundant in this very form.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 13:09:08
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panzlock That's not what he's saying.
What he said was that regardless of what performance AMD musters he will never purchase their products. He would rather overpay for a product than relinquish money to a worthy competitor. He wants AMD to be successful only to help decrease pricing on hardware from a manufacturer to which he holds a mental affiliation, but would never support AMD in reaching that goal regardless of their relative performance stature. A counter-intuitive mentality, yet abundant in this very form.
That's not what he meant at all.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 13:19:06
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whats worthy??? amd 7nm product that barely beats a 14nm Nvidia 2018 product in 2020 and that in reality U KNOW that Nvidia will have 7nm that will certainly beat anything amd puts out - figuring on the die shrink turing on 7nm should bring 45% improvement im sorry hearing pure BS from AMD doesn't help if they plan on hbm 2E and 32 GB you are definitely looking at a pricey card too because HBM isn't cheap what id rather see AMD do is put their money where their mouth is instead - put it in R&D and quit the spin cycle either their product will stand on it real legs or not saying it's gonna be a Nvidia killer when Nvidia is still on 14nm and not on 7 yet - someone over there at AMD should give Lisa a good slap on the face and wake her up you don't compare your measure of how well you are doing based on your 7nm beating 14nm product(which they can't do at the moment)..... you do it apple to apple - or 7nm to 7nm saying we are doing well(or better or competitive) at a die shrink is well DUH!!!! expected - you should have beaten NVidia but failed at it when Nvidia does it's die shrink,.. all i hear is taps playing in the background as AMD is put in the grave or do people think that NVidia has decided to NOT DO anything and NOT bring any hardware out to go against it , or crush it.....great real people
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 13:20:13
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panzlock That's not what he's saying.
What he said was that regardless of what performance AMD musters he will never purchase their products. He would rather overpay for a product than relinquish money to a worthy competitor. He wants AMD to be successful only to help decrease pricing on hardware from a manufacturer to which he holds a mental affiliation, but would never support AMD in reaching that goal regardless of their relative performance stature. A counter-intuitive mentality, yet abundant in this very form.
That's not what he meant at all.
That's precisely what he said. He "likes competition, but won't buy AMD GPU's". This is a verbatim quote.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 14:44:01
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Xavier Zepherious whats worthy??? amd 7nm product that barely beats a 14nm Nvidia 2018 product in 2020 and that in reality U KNOW that Nvidia will have 7nm that will certainly beat anything amd puts out - figuring on the die shrink turing on 7nm should bring 45% improvement im sorry hearing pure BS from AMD doesn't help if they plan on hbm 2E and 32 GB you are definitely looking at a pricey card too because HBM isn't cheap what id rather see AMD do is put their money where their mouth is instead - put it in R&D and quit the spin cycle either their product will stand on it real legs or not saying it's gonna be a Nvidia killer when Nvidia is still on 14nm and not on 7 yet - someone over there at AMD should give Lisa a good slap on the face and wake her up you don't compare your measure of how well you are doing based on your 7nm beating 14nm product(which they can't do at the moment)..... you do it apple to apple - or 7nm to 7nm saying we are doing well(or better or competitive) at a die shrink is well DUH!!!! expected - you should have beaten NVidia but failed at it when Nvidia does it's die shrink,.. all i hear is taps playing in the background as AMD is put in the grave or do people think that NVidia has decided to NOT DO anything and NOT bring any hardware out to go against it , or crush it.....great real people
I already hear the taps every time I see someone hype and defend this as if they're both at the same level playing field. panzlock
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panzlock That's not what he's saying.
What he said was that regardless of what performance AMD musters he will never purchase their products. He would rather overpay for a product than relinquish money to a worthy competitor. He wants AMD to be successful only to help decrease pricing on hardware from a manufacturer to which he holds a mental affiliation, but would never support AMD in reaching that goal regardless of their relative performance stature. A counter-intuitive mentality, yet abundant in this very form.
That's not what he meant at all.
That's precisely what he said. He "likes competition, but won't buy AMD GPU's". This is a verbatim quote.
Boy, I think I need a pair of glasses since I missed all of that. I think I know what he meant. You're just adding words to fit your fantasy narrative. LOL Maybe we should let him explain what he meant by that sentence. I'm sure your narrative will be debunked.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 16:30:43
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It will come down to price but if it can beat anything NVIDIA makes then I am excited. I just wouldn’t hold my breath on the performance being better or the drivers being as stable.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 16:59:26
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Past year: AMD: +74.82% NVDA: -40.53%
AMD could trick NVIDIA into making another powerful and expensive series of cards, and then outsell NVIDIA with cheaper cards. Or AMD could actually have something up its sleeve. Hard to say.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 18:52:41
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/09 21:49:34
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Wake me up when this hype train is over.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/10 03:27:51
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whose making the $$$ not AMD they don't even rate it because it's too small Nvidia reported revenue of $4.13B. In its fiscal year 2018 (not the same as the calendar year), it reported revenues of $9.71B. That’s a 2.35x increase at the same time that the company’s share of the GPU market has changed from 15 percent of the market to 18.4 percent. AMD aren't even close to where they were 1 year ago - thats not a recovery...YET!!! and comparing 7nm stuff that barely cuts it to go against what Nvidia put out over 1 year ago -on 3+ yr old tech (14nm) thats a leap and expecting long term growth for AMD based on 7nm and Nvidia staying on 14nm is a pipe dream you know Nvidia will be at 7nm and have something that will stomp on AMD again ps:only 4month til next GTC in Dec. 18-22 in china ...hpc and gaming.... jen will deliver keynote
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/10 06:30:16
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I find it amusing you guys are comparing multi billion dollar companies to see who's "winning". I'd consider myself winning with a 1% piece of that pie.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/10 07:23:00
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Xavier Zepherious Nvidia reported revenue of $4.13B. In its fiscal year 2018 (not the same as the calendar year), it reported revenues of $9.71B. That’s a 2.35x increase at the same time that the company’s share of the GPU market has changed from 15 percent of the market to 18.4 percent. AMD aren't even close to where they were 1 year ago - thats not a recovery...YET!!! and comparing 7nm stuff that barely cuts it to go against what Nvidia put out over 1 year ago -on 3+ yr old tech (14nm) thats a leap and expecting long term growth for AMD based on 7nm and Nvidia staying on 14nm is a pipe dream you know Nvidia will be at 7nm and have something that will stomp on AMD again ps:only 4month til next GTC in Dec. 18-22 in china ...hpc and gaming.... jen will deliver keynote
You can post as many charts and info favoring Nvidia over AMD, how come 2 top key players of Nvidia left the company to go to Intel, if the company is doing that well in revenues compare to Intel? why would they leave? You are posting repetitive information that everyone knows. How about this why don't you go and search about the topic of Nvidia is in trouble with the introduction of a possible new APU (cpu/gpu hibrid) hardware from AMD and Intel. Start from there. I find it funny people saying they are not fan boys, but yet you post information that is convenient for you to favor the company you are defending/cheering on. Key endorsers left Nvidia because they know what is coming. Consoles, AMD has that locked down from Sony and Microsoft. Desktops is also the same. where are those charts? If you dont like another company than Nvidia to grow and bring competition to the table so we the consumers can have a better bargain in prices, then I definitely dont need to be around you.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/10 07:42:12
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Proof is in the pudding, as they say. I truly hope AMD has something good in the works because otherwise they're going to end up in third place behind NVIDIA and Intel, and it would be nice if somebody could deliver leading-edge performance to force NVIDIA to compete on prices again.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/10 12:17:25
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I am very pleased with my AMD 7nm Radeon Vll. In some of the data computation projects I do, it beats anything Nvidia has put out. Except the 3000$ TitanV that costs over four times as much. I did have to tweak the voltage down some to get temps down. That really did not hurt the performance much at all. But many time with Nvidia I had to tweak the voltage up to get the performance. It is a good thing AMD is doing well in todays market. It keeps the big guys somewhat honest and on their toes. Hopefully it will keep prices down, maybe even lower prices, still waiting to see the lower prices from Intel that were going to happen. To call something Nvidia killer, it had better live up to the name or it will never live it down, that's quite the claim.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/10 14:28:22
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Cool GTX So in 2020 AMD will make products that beat Nvidia product released in 2018 ? Marketing run amuck ? Intel & Nvidia will probably be very competitive ....
Yes that's right, NVidia are not going to produce anything else for 2 years, just so AMD can catch up... lol. I believe Intel are only aiming for low-mid range market at this stage, but I presume they will work their way up to high-end GPUs a few years down the line if their sales are encouraging.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/10 15:36:11
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In order for AMD to get a win in the graphic market, they need to change the meta, not play by other people's established rules. Chasing after raytracing isn't the answer. They need their own groundbreaking feature to shake up things. Last time I saw that was a decade ago with Eyefinity. But in all honesty, anything AMD does will probably be more about retaining superiority over the console market than making gains in the PC market. They currently own the console market.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/10 16:00:02
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The real problem for growth for AMD will be the trade war with China. Even if AMD released a NVIDIA killer card it won't see the sales numbers it would if we didn't have the trade war. While all companies will hurt from it catching up to NVIDIA will be harder during it.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/10 18:44:21
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The problem with this internal reference is we can't just assume it means what we want to believe; plenty here assume it's a certain performance level, which frankly is a moving target since it isn't like nVidia is sitting still-- I mean, if they are smart, they shouldn't assume AMD has nothing planned, just ask Intel how that worked out.
Logically speaking, the best way to affect another company's bottom line is go after their high-volume sales, and it isn't high-end which is typically lower-volume. For example, if next GPU is better than RX5700 but cheaper than RTX2080, that would affect nVidia negatively, etc. There's lotsa ways to do it.
Except I'm uncertain if AMD considers nVidia a moving target. Many AMD products have been delayed before debut, some so much that it gave nVidia enough time to push something marginally better out before AMD, coming off as incredible insight, etc. What do reviewers do? They compare the latest AMD with the latest nVidia, they may not compare, but we don't treat it like that.
AMD really needs to either be on time or aim for more. In terms of performance, they shouldn't just aim for what nVidia has available since they are all cut-downs of larger dies, AMD should go for the full die. Turing is loosely based on Volta, so a 5376-CUDA TU100 should be the aim for a big AMD die (whether it's big Navi or something else). AMD can't possibly anticipate 7nm nVidia unless they attempt the same chiplet adventure as Zen 2.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/10 21:10:46
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Hoggle The real problem for growth for AMD will be the trade war with China. Even if AMD released a NVIDIA killer card it won't see the sales numbers it would if we didn't have the trade war. While all companies will hurt from it catching up to NVIDIA will be harder during it.
Meh - if it impacts AMD, it will impact NVidia too - they are both based in Santa Clara, CA. The US dollar has become so strong vs the Chinese Yuen, it negates a big chunk of the tariffs anyway.
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Re: AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
2019/08/11 12:58:20
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GTXJackBauer Wake me up when this hype train is over.
it's been over you guy keep bring it up
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