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AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 7nm

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2019/04/16 10:27:58 (permalink)
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/zen-3-cpu-tsmc-7nm
 
AMD "Zen 3" microarchitecture could be designed for the enhanced 7 nm+ EUV (extreme ultraviolet) silicon fabrication node at TSMC, which promises a significant 20 percent increase in transistor densities compared to the 7 nm DUV (deep ultraviolet) node on which its "Zen 2" processors are being built. In addition, the node will also reduce power consumption by up to 10 percent at the same operational load. In a late-2018 interview, CTO Mark Papermaster stated AMD's design goal with "Zen 3" would be to prioritize energy-efficiency, and that it would present "modest" performance improvements. 
 
Well the smaller the die size the more power efficient it can be but is this going to be the best bet for consumers. 

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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/16 11:35:55 (permalink)
    . That is great news overall. The Ryzen 3000 CPUs are becoming very appealing.

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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/17 07:20:12 (permalink)
    So, does that mean Zen 3 will be wider vs faster?
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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/19 17:35:46 (permalink)
    I think AMD will be conservative on transistor count and just raise clocks with +7nm, like they did with 12nm. The ability for more transistors could just gain on yields.

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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/19 21:05:38 (permalink)
    My R5 2400G is respectable enough for now. I am more interested in a better motherboard.


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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/20 12:55:21 (permalink)
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    I think AMD will be conservative on transistor count and just raise clocks with +7nm, like they did with 12nm. The ability for more transistors could just gain on yields.

    We'll find out soon at Computex. 

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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/20 13:06:29 (permalink)
    Computex runs from May 28 to June 1, 2019
     
    It runs every year in Taiwan
     


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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/20 13:09:59 (permalink)
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    Computex runs from May 28 to June 1, 2019
     
    It runs every year in Taiwan
     


    Correct and the AMD CEO will give the first keynote

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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/20 17:06:17 (permalink)
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    So, does that mean Zen 3 will be wider vs faster?


    yeppers....stepping stone in the near future of a hybrid C/GPU (2 in 1, per say) with HBM2 memory incorporated becoming the first C-GPU in the market
     
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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/20 17:27:38 (permalink)
    AMD has both processors with integrated graphics and ones without depending on the market segment.
     
    I bought the R5 2400G as it was affordable and adequate for box with one higher end graphics card
     
     


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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/20 19:16:54 (permalink)
    I start to save money for DDR5 platform. That must be some great platform because after that I need period of 3-4 years where I can't invest in computers.
    I want to build scale models of modern NATO/US/Germany military jets, tanks, helicopters, vehicles in size 1/48 and 1/35. That will cost me around 1500 euro with painting.
    But I will not start that before I finish build of DDR5 platform. I must build something great without need to change nothing some time.
    I only afraid 2022 will arrive and DDR5 will still not be available and my computer will become slow.
     
    I thought optimization of games will go to 8-10 cores and than maybe to upgrade on i7-6900K/6950X when price drop. Now i7-6950X used cost little more than new i9-9900K.
    But frequency dominate. 

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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/20 20:04:20 (permalink)
    DDR5 is still a ways off, mostly as existing DDR4 is adequate for servers and consumer boxes
     
    right now ddr4 chips are mass produced for 8 gigabit sizes
     
    samsung might ramp up 16 gigabit memory next year
     


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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/20 20:28:16 (permalink)
    AMD talk something about using DDR5 soon as possible.
    But situation could change if they deal together to delay.
    If Intel and AMD prepare both everything for DDR5 they could decide to deal and delay DDR5 for one more architecture, that's at least 2 years period.
    My Mobo-CPU-Memory have 4.5 years.
     

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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/20 20:29:13 (permalink)
    DDR5 is not even off the drawing board at the JEDEC yet
     


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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/20 20:33:57 (permalink)
    Some rumors say 2020. Let's say 2021 would be nice.
    That's 2 years. I really have no plans to upgrade before DDR5 because let's say ...people with 16GB DDR3 1866/2133MHz still are OK for gaming.
    Example X79 i7-4930K OC to 4.5GHz still give nice performance in games. Cinebench is something else.
     
    You see Hynix DDR5 6400MHz... probably 16GB per DIMM.
     
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/SK-Hynix-releases-details-on-the-upcoming-DDR5-6400-RAM-standard.410879.0.html
     
    400 memory + 400 motherboard + 700 CPU, my plans.
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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/20 20:41:47 (permalink)
    I have 24GB of DDR4 which is enough for games so far
     
     


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    Re: AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs can increase transistor count by 20% over Ryzen 3000 thanks to TSMC’s 2019/04/20 23:48:54 (permalink)
    yields are not that high 
    i just saw yields for 7nm TSMC and it's below that
    just don't believe everything you hear about
     
    might be closer to 50% - the best the yields will get over time will be 66% (like 2 yrs from now)
    that will be lower than 14nm yield rates
     
    you think that is bad... try intel at 35% yield rates at 10nm
     
    anyways the cost are 2x up and yeields are down that means prices will rise
    and it's only going to get worse with the next die shrink
     

     
       


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