MS and sony want Cheap chips because console market requires cheap consoles for people who want cheap solution
 
bottom line AMD sells the chips for almost break even - - at first it was at a loss at least until yields got better and TSMC prices got better 
driver development takes moola - so support eats up what little $$$ you made on the sales to the console makers
 
Nvidia knew that - it wanted a certain amount to pay for some profit $$$ and driver support- so they basically gave up courting the console makers when AMD bid too low
 
 
AMD need the sales to convince shareholders they are making some ground.....really? they lost ground just look at sales numbers
 
 
This won't get any better with INTEL entering the game...maybe INTEL looks to steal Console maker numbers
 

Xavier Zepherious
MS and sony want Cheap chips because console market requires cheap consoles for people who want cheap solution
 
bottom line AMD sells the chips for almost break even - - at first it was at a loss at least until yields got better and TSMC prices got better 
driver development takes moola - so support eats up what little $$$ you made on the sales to the console makers
 
Nvidia knew that - it wanted a certain amount to pay for some profit $$$ and driver support- so they basically gave up courting the console makers when AMD bid too low
 
 
AMD need the sales to convince shareholders they are making some ground.....really? they lost ground just look at sales numbers
 
 
This won't get any better with INTEL entering the game...maybe INTEL looks to steal Console maker numbers
 

atfrico
Unlike you and others i am optimistic about what's coming. I dont go by rumors just facts.
If the combination of both CPU and GPU for the consoles looks promising so is the GPU soon to be released.
If you think about it Nvidia is taking risks and going all out with acquisitions and providing performance for the price of which is not suitable for all especially of how the economic situation for some are at the moment.
You say AMD is hurting...we shall see when AMD releases NAVI with better memory size at a lower price. Because of AMD, Nvidia will be adjusting their prices yet again, watch.😼

Basically sums up both your points. LOL

 
No exhaust out the rear?   ..I'm gonna guess those are just mock-ups so they didn't add that detail.
 

 

HBM too expensive ...they are using gddr6
 
 
there are chip shortages on the new fab node
 

Xavier Zepherious
HBM too expensive ...they are using gddr6
 
 
there are chip shortages on the new fab node
 

Based on the rumors I've been hearing TSMC is having better success with their wafer production than Samsung is having with their NVIDIA wafer production. 

Nereus
 
No exhaust out the rear?   ..I'm gonna guess those are just mock-ups so they didn't add that detail.
 

 

thats real
 
real pic posted at vidcardz

 
no vents out the back ...all the heat stays in the case
 

Nereus

Xavier Zepherious

Nereus
No exhaust out the rear?   ..I'm gonna guess those are just mock-ups so they didn't add that detail.

thats real
real pic posted at vidcardz

no vents out the back ...all the heat stays in the case

Oh dear, that's not smart.
 
 

I don't know why Xav insists in splitting up the same topic into multiple threads.
 
Anyways, like Scarlet said:

the_Scarlet_one
To be fair, the vented rear slot on any card with length wise heat pipes and fins Never vent out of the back. It was an optical illusion. Don’t fall for that.

That really makes sense.  The rear vent would do nothing with a wall of fins running parallel to it blocking the opening.

I wonder if venting the air straight up is more efficient than having it try to blow it out the back of the card/case. I know that'll stink for CPU temps but it may be more efficient for the card itself... 

The air is coming out from the grill 🤔 that way the hot air comes a few degrees lower which in turn it will not exhaust hot air into ur case, ye 😼

Xavier Zepherious
yes they could have made the cooler differently to expel air out the back - 
if Nvidia can figure out a better way to do it then so can they
 
i just think AIBs and AMD want the cheaper solutions rather than a more expensive way to do it

NVIDIA AIBs make it the same way. So don't point too many fingers. Ah hem!... ... (evga and many others)...

Buildzoid had a recent video explaining why blower heatsinks suck (figuratively). It was good stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRm6N1A74oE&t=10m06s
It was actually pretty obvious, but I never considered the problem with the length of the fins in a blower card.  Watch the link above starting at 10m 06sec to get down to the crux of the problem with your typical blower heatsink.

Basically, there is no good way to make a blower card that will outperform an axial card, unless you do it like NVIDIA did with a super short length of blower fins on the latest FE cards. That's the only instance which really makes sense for making it blow out the back of the card. NVIDIA made the FE cards basically a blower and axial heatsink hybrid.

The AIBs probably don't because it is complicated and more expensive. But who knows, maybe they will start doing it now that NVIDIA demonstrated a method. Traditionally, you have straight heatpipes running the length of the card, and the heatsink fins are just pressed on in a stack onto the heatpipes.  This makes very easy assembly of a bunch of identical fins, and thus not expensive to mass produce and assemble.  Because the heatsink fins have to be perpendicular to the heatpipes and thus perpendicular to the length of the card, the back of the card is blocked by the parallel row of fins.  The only way to make the fins run perpendicular to the back of the card and act as a decent rear exhaust is if the heatpipes make a 90 degree turn somewhere and that would make assembly much more difficult and expensive (because you couldn't just press the whole quantity of heatsink fins onto a long straight heatpipe in one go).
NVIDIA got around this problem by making the back portion a vapor chamber.  ... But that isn't exactly an inexpensive method of manufacture.

it seems a AIB partner can do blower design even on a  RTX3090
 

GIGABYTE outs GeForce RTX 3090 with blower-type fan

 

 
https://videocardz.com/newz/gigbyte-geforce-rtx-3090-turbo-is-the-first-ampere-blower-type-design
 
 
so yeah i can be done
 
so why put the heat back in case??? where some goes toward the intake
 

Has anyone compared the heat differences inside the case regarding over-all in-case temps, rise in CPU temps and other components, with an axial cooler vs a blower style?

1st off a blower can do just as well as axial
it requires equivalent surface area and air flow to an axial... thats all
 
axial usually do better because the card and heatsink are larger - - ie more surface area and more airflow
 
gigabytes is too thin - - id rather have them make it a 3 slot card and put some fans on it
 
the only issue is with 1 fan is noise (because to get the same air flow you have to have the fans screem)
had Gigabyte provided more fans and thicker(more surface area) fins there would be practically no difference  -in fact it be cooler - or should be because it taking cooler air all the time
the only other issue is one side is hotter than the other side - but that can be fixed with an extra fan or two ...adding cooler air to the other side
 
cooling is about airflow , surface area and air intake temp
 
which is why i said maybe the future is using venting - both intake and exhaust hoses
 
Im not against AMD because im also complaining about Nvidia cards that put heat back in case as well
 
go stick your own bias somewhere else
 
1/2 the CPU's and GPUs at my home are AMD(thats multiple of both...ie 6 desktops...no lappies)..... can you boast using both....i doubt it
 
in fact id rather watercool and really control the temps
 
you just don't realize that some people don't necessarily have great airflow in a case and an axial putting heat back in is not necessarily a great thing

Id like to see a 3slot blower gpu done right.  But 350W gpu's, come on this isnt 2005, maybe with nvidia pushing a standard gpu 12pin, IMOO 250W or less, even on highend gpus should be enough.
 
Im waiting for RDNA2, hope the 6090 or what ever its called can do rtx2080Ti and better at lower cost than the overly priced green brand.... Been extreamly happy with my Ryzen2 cpu/msi x570-pro setup...

knightsilver
Id like to see a 3slot blower gpu done right.  But 350W gpu's, come on this isnt 2005, maybe with nvidia pushing a standard gpu 12pin, IMOO 250W or less, even on highend gpus should be enough.
 
Im waiting for RDNA2, hope the 6090 or what ever its called can do rtx2080Ti and better at lower cost than the overly priced green brand.... Been extreamly happy with my Ryzen2 cpu/msi x570-pro setup...

You're expecting an AMD GPU to perform at the same level as a 2080 Ti and use less power? Or are you just hoping AMD offers a card with 2080 Ti performance at a lower purchasing price?
 
Just a little info for ya. Nvidia has a RTX 3070 coming out that is a 220w card, has 2080 Ti performance and is only $500.