bcavnaugh
No Company should be Locking any Features of the Products.

kram36
AMD is now saying this is a bad card for gaming, so maybe people will try to stop pushing this hot mess of a card as a gaming card. $700 for the Radeon VII for gaming is a joke, maybe they can get some compute people to buy up the cards AMD has made and get out of it as fast as possible.
 
Now AMD needs to figure out how to fix Navi 7nm process so it doesn't end up being a terrible gaming card like the Radeon VII.

GTXJackBauer

kram36
AMD is now saying this is a bad card for gaming, so maybe people will try to stop pushing this hot mess of a card as a gaming card. $700 for the Radeon VII for gaming is a joke, maybe they can get some compute people to buy up the cards AMD has made and get out of it as fast as possible.
 
Now AMD needs to figure out how to fix Navi 7nm process so it doesn't end up being a terrible gaming card like the Radeon VII.

Take it easy and stop being such a negative nancy. lol  I don't think the Radeon is a terrible GPU.  Where are you getting all this negative media from?  It's still in its infancy.  Let the drivers mature on both sides and see what the verdict is in 6 months or so. 

bill1024

kram36
AMD is now saying this is a bad card for gaming, so maybe people will try to stop pushing this hot mess of a card as a gaming card. $700 for the Radeon VII for gaming is a joke, maybe they can get some compute people to buy up the cards AMD has made and get out of it as fast as possible.
 
Now AMD needs to figure out how to fix Navi 7nm process so it doesn't end up being a terrible gaming card like the Radeon VII.

Can you link the article where AMD says that the card is bad for gaming please.

bill1024

Hoggle
I guess it's good but it's not like these features are really that important to gamers who are the target market.

Looks like they are aiming at new target. Gammers are not the only people who buy GPUs
I think this card has potential for BOINC and Folding.

kram36
AMD is now saying this is a bad card for gaming, so maybe people will try to stop pushing this hot mess of a card as a gaming card. $700 for the Radeon VII for gaming is a joke, maybe they can get some compute people to buy up the cards AMD has made and get out of it as fast as possible.

ty_ger07

the_Scarlet_one
AMD is unlocking professional features on the Radeon VII to make it more appealing. Seems smart.

Didn’t Nvidia “unlock” the Titan X(P) and Titan Xp to perform better after the Radeon Vega Frontier/Vega 64/52 released.. I mean, Nvidia did “unlock professional” features, and they “allowed” the cards perform much better where they had legitimately been holding their product back on purpose through drivers.

*Adding this before posting... I was remembering right and didn’t want to say the wrong thing... Nvidia did unlock “some professional features”. www.techpowerup.com/235701/nvidia-unlocks-certain-professional-features-for-titan-xp-through-driver-update%3Famp

So, AMD is going to quickly make this card a little more appealing, unlike Nvidia, who can’t even get their own promised features out in mass 6 months after release. Bravo AMD, that is a smart move.

Weird how some people are trying to act as if AMD is doing something that Nvidia wouldn’t do to gain marketability for their product.

Agreed.

And it's not just AMD and NVIDIA. This is extremely common practice all over the hardware industry. Multimeters, Oscilliscopes, even the humble Raspberry Pi; they all provide examples of advanced features locked behind a paywall accessible by a software unlock key or paid firmware update.

And for Kram, the thing about the Radeon VII being horribly broken and unfixable via drivers .... What?! Unfounded, baseless gibberish. Give it time. Anyone has the tiny chance of saying crazy things and ending up being completely right by pure dumb luck, but come on man, you have to realize that everyone perceives you as just plain crazy, right? It's completely baseless and you have zero evidence, but you just keep repeating it over and over again. But NVIDIA's 2xxx series cards? No, those aren't and never were "a complete mess". lol

I am going to say that NVIDIA's headquarters is going to burn down in 6 days. To me, all signs point to that being true. But, come on man, you have to know that is crazy talk. If it ends up happening in 6 days, it's not because I had any idea of what I was talking about.

kram36

You can think I'm crazy all you want, but AMD did not unlock these features of their $700 Radeon VII with performance rivaling professional graphics cards priced well north of $3,000 because they see a bright gaming future for the Radeon VII. One would expect AMD to offer up drivers that fix the issues before they let a $700 invade it's $3,000 card territory.

GTXJackBauer

kram36

You can think I'm crazy all you want, but AMD did not unlock these features of their $700 Radeon VII with performance rivaling professional graphics cards priced well north of $3,000 because they see a bright gaming future for the Radeon VII. One would expect AMD to offer up drivers that fix the issues before they let a $700 invade it's $3,000 card territory.

You make a good point here. 
 
Why would they shoot self in the foot by eating up their own enterprise line?  I think that's a fair question but than again, are they trying to give you the "Titan" experience at a much cheaper price?

kram36

ty_ger07

GTXJackBauer

kram36

You can think I'm crazy all you want, but AMD did not unlock these features of their $700 Radeon VII with performance rivaling professional graphics cards priced well north of $3,000 because they see a bright gaming future for the Radeon VII. One would expect AMD to offer up drivers that fix the issues before they let a $700 invade it's $3,000 card territory.

You make a good point here. 

Why would they shoot self in the foot by eating up their own enterprise line?  I think that's a fair question but than again, are they trying to give you the "Titan" experience at a much cheaper price?

Why did NVIDIA unlock the Titan Xp's professional features? Was it because those video cards were a "complete mess" of "broken silicon" which "couldn't be fixed by drivers"? No. So, there are other possible reasons. Let's not jump to wild conclusions.

I think that AMD is simply desperate to bring a fight to NVIDIA. I think that is the simple answer. Just like that is the same answer for why NVIDIA did the same thing for the Titan Xp.

The Radeon VII still lacks features, performance, and precision of AMD's true professional cards and therefore won't gut their professional card's marketability to those who need/want them.

And, now, the most obvious counterpoint. If the Radeon VII are indeed secretly a "broken mess of bad silicon which can't be fixed by drivers" and "AMD knows it", AMD would NOT be unlocking professional features on the cards. Unlocking features doesn't fix bad silicon. Defects and returns cost money and cost reputation. If the unfounded bad silicon claim were true, the last thing AMD would be doing is trying to make the cards more marketable at launch in order to sell more and create a larger PR backlash.

Nvidia did it to get rid of the cards as the Titan V was coming in 4 months, which took everyone by surprise and they didn't want to get stuck holding a bunch of cards that are selling at $1,200.
 
The AMD Radeon VII card hasn't been on the market a week, unlike the Titan cards. All honest gaming reviews shows this card has some serious issues and again one would expect AMD to offer up drivers that fixes these gaming issues before they let a $700 invade it's $3,000 card territory. Quote from the techpowerup link.
 

These drivers will make the Radeon VII an incredible value in the enterprise space, as the GPU offers performance rivaling professional graphics cards priced well north of $3,000.

 
So your argument that this card won't cut into their higher priced professional card's is invalid.