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2019/02/07 11:53:43 (permalink)
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-radeon-vii-vs-nvidia-rtx-2080/
 
In 3DMark Fire Strike the results were impressive for both cards, but noticeably more so for the Radeon VII. AMD’s new card was expected to perform better against Nvidia’s GPUs at higher resolutions, but in the base Fire Strike test it not only beat out the RTX 2080, but performed comparatively well to the RTX 2080 Ti, a much more expensive GPU. In gaming benchmarks we saw similar results at 1080P, with the Radeon VII delivering frame rates in Battlefield V at both medium and Ultra settings well above 100 FPS, beating out not only the RTX 2080 but the 2080 Ti as well. The always-taxing Deus Ex: Mankind Divided proved more challenging, but the Radeon VII still pulled ahead of the 2080 and 2080 Ti with an average FPS of 90 when on High, and 86 on Ultra settings.
 
At 1440p, the 2080 Ti takes its rightful place at the head of the pack, but Radeon VII takes an even greater lead over the 2080 and makes its predecessor, the Vega 64, look very much like the last-generation card it is.
 
When we increase resolutions to 4K, all of the cards struggle to maintain 60+ FPS in Battlefield V. Only the 2080 Ti manages it in Deus: Ex at Medium settings, but the Radeon VII remains out in front of the 2080 in all cases.
 
Although AMD does have functioning ray tracing in the form of Radeon Rays using the Vulkan API, that’s not a technology that is implemented in any games at this time, and AMD hasn’t made it viable with the Radeon VII. Nor is DLSS available, although AMD has suggested that its cards’ general compute units are capable of something similar. Furthermore, it may even implement it in the future using Microsoft’s open standard, DirectML.
 
The Radeon VII isn’t quite strong enough to be a direct competitor for the likes of the RTX 2080 Ti, especially at higher resolutions, but it’s not far off that. At a $700 asking price it’s costed competitively enough with the RTX 2080 that Nvidia may need to raise its game in turn to stay ahead.

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 12:05:43 (permalink)
    Interesting...

         
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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 12:37:46 (permalink)
    All I can say is look at multiple reviews to get the full picture. The card is a disappointment again to amd fans.


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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 12:46:52 (permalink)
    I read about 10 reviews and it seems to be sitting right about what you would expect for $699 .  
     Cheaper in price & performance to it's competitor brother the 2080 , which costs $100+ more .
     
    Disappointing for some people who wanted a miracle & more competition to drive Nvidia card prices down even more ... but I wouldn't say a fail .

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 12:54:06 (permalink)
    After the demise of my GTX 1060 I am now bidding on Radeon cards.
     
    Bit of offer counter offer with me at $75 vs $93 so I am wondering if I will get a bite for a RX 570 4GB
     
     


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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 13:05:00 (permalink)
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    I read about 10 reviews and it seems to be sitting right about what you would expect for $699 .  
     Cheaper in price & performance to it's competitor brother the 2080 , which costs $100+ more .
     
    Disappointing for some people who wanted a miracle & more competition to drive Nvidia card prices down even more ... but I wouldn't say a fail .


    EVGA has two different RTX 2080 cards on their site for the same price right now with free shipping.

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 13:06:39 (permalink)
    I'm still waiting for mature drivers for the 2080Ti..no, I don't think they're there yet.
     
    At any rate...as I've said before, I like the competition, but I'll always buy Nvidia...always.
     

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 13:07:38 (permalink)
    I suspect it may be a few weeks for all the review sites to get a card and run the tests. It takes me quite some time to run benchmarks in my studio.


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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 13:14:32 (permalink)
    I'm interested to see what Navi will have to offer if the VII is close to 2080 performance.
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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 13:16:13 (permalink)
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    I'm interested to see what Navi will have to offer if the VII is close to 2080 performance.


     
    Navi is still a ways down the road
     


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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 13:26:02 (permalink)
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    I read about 10 reviews and it seems to be sitting right about what you would expect for $699 .  
     Cheaper in price & performance to it's competitor brother the 2080 , which costs $100+ more .
     
    Disappointing for some people who wanted a miracle & more competition to drive Nvidia card prices down even more ... but I wouldn't say a fail .


    EVGA has two different RTX 2080 cards on their site for the same price right now with free shipping.




    I myself would choose the 2080 Black card over the Radeon Vii - but I hope continued competition drives pricing back to less than insane levels on the next series of cards... 

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 13:28:31 (permalink)
    For some reason he had issues running Battlefield V in DX12 mode, but did not elaborate on what the issue was.
     


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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 13:46:38 (permalink)
    Test here are only done at 1440p and again Battlefield V was not ran in DX12 mode with no explanation why, but he did address the power usage.
     
     

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 13:59:54 (permalink)
    Gamers Nexus longer more in depth review. Seems AMD has some work to do on this card.
     

     
     
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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 14:04:56 (permalink)
    JayzTwoCents review...
     



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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 14:31:11 (permalink)
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    JayzTwoCents review...
     



    Thanks for sharing. As i said before, this is only a tease of what is to come.  This review alone proved to me that my less than $500 EVGA 1080Ti SC2 Hybrid purchase was completely a worth investment.  The 1080Ti vs 2080, the 2080 is literally the same card performance, even less, than the 1080Ti...just wow.
    The AMD tech team need to get their heads straight, but then again, this is something expected from them.

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 14:49:49 (permalink)
    Bitwit seemed to have a better experience or he just wanted to be more kind to AMD even though the RTX 2080 was still the better gaming card.
     


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    AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 15:37:37 (permalink)
    I assume many have seen the benchmarks out there by now. How does everyone feel about it? I know as someone who has been appalled by the recent price hikes of GPU's, the $700 price tag furthers my annoyance, however on the contrary I do feel once AMD get's drivers in a better state(however long this takes) the Radeon VII does have a lot to offer, I mean come on, 16GB of dedicated vram!? At least they aren't holding back stupid things like VRAM which Nvidia does all so well. I agree with many reviewers stating that perhaps AMD really should have held back release just a bit longer until they get stability issues under control. Seeing benchmarks it does trade blows between the 2080, and even when it's behind, it wasn't by much. I do know it does perform well enough to at least give Nvidia a little more competition in the upper range, so hoping this will help the consumer in  the end. 
     
    While I've mostly ever been an Nvidia guy aside from owning an X800 XT PE back in the day, I've at heart been an AMD guy, so I am hoping for the best long term for this card, as drivers mature more and more. Sure it doesn't pack DLSS or Ray Tracing, but I think it's fairly fair to say, AMD did come out and say quite sometime ago, that it wouldn't have these features, on top of that in the current state, both features are more or less a wash....anyway. Personally I am not planning an upgrade for quite sometime, however I always love seeing some healthy competition in the GPU market, and this card does perform well. My closest buddy is going to be picking one of these up soon, and I can't wait to see how it runs in his new system. Anyway I'd love to hear about everyone else thoughts on the card! I know many of us here in EVGA world are mostly Nvidia guy's but also their is many tech enthusiasts who may have been waiting for this card.
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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 15:57:23 (permalink)
    Saw that it might be a great compute card with as much as 50% better performance than the 2080 depending on the task.  I feel like they should have gone with GDDR6 so that they could offer it a couple hundred less than the 2080.

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    AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 16:50:18 (permalink)
    After my reviews of all the Videos I would say not ready for release.
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    AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 16:58:22 (permalink)
    looks like a solid beta release can't wait to see the final product
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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 17:10:28 (permalink)
    Competition for a 2080, nothing more.  For the same price without the benefits of an RTX card it is a weak contender.  If they sold it for $100 less it would be priced properly to give NVIDIA some competition.
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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 17:15:05 (permalink)
    Well it's a step in the right direction for AMD for sure. Having not owned a Radeon card for an extremely long time, I can't judge driver development, but I'd assume to expect some driver optimization that could really make this card more compelling in the coming months. At least we know it does indeed keep up with RTX 2080 performance, and if history of AMD these past few years has taught us anything, they aren't afraid to drop prices significantly to push product sales. 

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 17:49:15 (permalink)
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    Well it's a step in the right direction for AMD for sure. Having not owned a Radeon card for an extremely long time, I can't judge driver development, but I'd assume to expect some driver optimization that could really make this card more compelling in the coming months. At least we know it does indeed keep up with RTX 2080 performance, and if history of AMD these past few years has taught us anything, they aren't afraid to drop prices significantly to push product sales. 


    In one of the videos above they said AMD is already selling this card at a loss. I don't think AMD has any room to lower the price of this card.

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 18:25:00 (permalink)
    I'm going to keep my 1080 Ti/s can't believe it I've never been 2 years behind the times. This has put a kink in my rinse and repeat process too. ;)

     
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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 22:20:33 (permalink)
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    All I can say is look at multiple reviews to get the full picture. The card is a disappointment again to amd fans.


    Sajin
    All I can say is look at multiple reviews to get the full picture. The card is a disappointment again to amd fans.


    I've read 17 reviews and the majority of them positive with performance equal to the RTX 2080. Remember the best comparison is the Radeon 7 versus AMD's last gen video card. Quite a difference there and you can't expect AMD to have a card equal to the RTX 2080ti in only 1 year's time. 



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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 22:22:19 (permalink)
    I'd like to also point out that without a competitor NVIDIA can just keep hiking video card prices as high as they want to. 
     
    Next week I'll be getting a Radeon 7 to play around with and I'll let all of you know what I think of it. 
     

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 22:29:15 (permalink)
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    For some reason he had issues running Battlefield V in DX12 mode, but did not elaborate on what the issue was.
     



    Every other reviewer had no issues but him. He probably botched the PC setup. 

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 22:33:44 (permalink)
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    Every other reviewer had no issues but him. He probably botched the PC setup. 

    Clearly you didn't watch JayzTwoCents review.


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    Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080 2019/02/07 22:42:59 (permalink)
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    I read about 10 reviews and it seems to be sitting right about what you would expect for $699 .  
     Cheaper in price & performance to it's competitor brother the 2080 , which costs $100+ more .
     
    Disappointing for some people who wanted a miracle & more competition to drive Nvidia card prices down even more ... but I wouldn't say a fail .


    The real problem for AMD is this card does not feature DLSS or Ray Tracing. Sure it costs less but I would rather future proof my investment for the slight price difference. The new 3Dmark benchmark showed that having DLSS will probably pay off to have.
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