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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:24:08
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The point is the tech is being used unlike some people are saying.
3 games in 5 months is well worth the premium. Demos and benchmarks is not what anyone wants. They want eye candy for days with high fps in games. RT and dlss is is great when worth while games support it.
DXR & DLSS give eye candy amd can't provide.
But the question my friend, is it truly worth the premium? Not only hard earned money but the cost of performance on these first generation RTX cards.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:25:44
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It's worth it if you're truly a tech enthusiast & want to experience the latest tech now.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:33:15
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The VII is essentially an MI50 with decent gaming performance:  https://www.anandtech.com...md-radeon-vii-review/3 Why AMD promoted this solely as a gaming card is beyond me. Affirm its strength and it will receive support. Put it head to head against a better product in a specific segment and you're sealing its fate. AMD needs what Nvidia has...a competent marketing department. The review samples seemed rushed, primary example being improper driver implementation. Overall the RTX line has the upper hand where gaming is concerned. The VII has a broader purpose, it seems, but this principle is not being published by it's own benefactor. If the stock is low AMD will receive more negative attention they absolutely do not need. AMD should be focusing on Navi but that doesn't mean neglecting their most recent flagship. If it computes then SAY so. Don't wait for reviewers to establish your product for you because they won't. They care primarily about gaming with other benefits VGA receiving 2% worth of content in a 10 minute video. Horrible marketing of a decent product, AMD. AGAIN!!!
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:38:03
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It's worth it if you're truly a tech enthusiast & want to experience the latest tech now.
That's a horrible reason to buy anything, and justifies the costs companies impose because they know suckers will pay.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:39:58
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It's worth it if you're truly a tech enthusiast & want to experience the latest tech now.
That's a horrible reason to buy anything, and justifies the costs companies impose because they know suckers will pay.
When you're first to the market with new tech you can charge what you want.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:40:07
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The point is the tech is being used unlike some people are saying.
3 games in 5 months is well worth the premium. Demos and benchmarks is not what anyone wants. They want eye candy for days with high fps in games. RT and dlss is is great when worth while games support it.
DXR & DLSS give eye candy amd can't provide.
I'm not talking about AMD. At least AMD new card tech at launch works with 100% on every game while the RTX cards NO games supported ray tracing or dlss at launch. 3 games in 5 months is well worth the premium for Dxr and dlss is laughable.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:42:31
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The point is the tech is being used unlike some people are saying.
3 games in 5 months is well worth the premium. Demos and benchmarks is not what anyone wants. They want eye candy for days with high fps in games. RT and dlss is is great when worth while games support it.
DXR & DLSS give eye candy amd can't provide.
AMD claims that they will be able to provide the same. So, just like waiting for RTX and DLSS support for NVIDIA, we will be waiting for the same for AMD. So, now that is hopefully finally put to rest, can we focus on price, performance, reliability, features, etcetera for the majority of users today? Not the future. Not speculation. The majority. Today.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:46:24
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It's worth it if you're truly a tech enthusiast & want to experience the latest tech now.
That's a horrible reason to buy anything, and justifies the costs companies impose because they know suckers will pay.
When you're first to the market with new tech you can charge what you want.
And they can pay the premium price and then justify to everyone how no games at launch and really no good games 5 months later is worth the higher price.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:48:52
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The point is the tech is being used unlike some people are saying.
3 games in 5 months is well worth the premium. Demos and benchmarks is not what anyone wants. They want eye candy for days with high fps in games. RT and dlss is is great when worth while games support it.
DXR & DLSS give eye candy amd can't provide.
I'm not talking about AMD. At least AMD new card tech at launch works with 100% on every game while the RTX cards NO games supported ray tracing or dlss at launch.
3 games in 5 months is well worth the premium for Dxr and dlss is laughable.
You were talking about eye candy. DXR & DLSS provide more eye candy. A 2080 ti provides more fps too. AMD new card tech works 100% on every game? You must have missed the Radeon VII reviews as the cards had many issues in the reviewers systems.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:50:30
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It's worth it if you're truly a tech enthusiast & want to experience the latest tech now.
That's a horrible reason to buy anything, and justifies the costs companies impose because they know suckers will pay.
When you're first to the market with new tech you can charge what you want.
Some companies think they can do that but there is a limit. When iPhones went way over 1000 dollars and RTX cards went up quite a bit sales dropped. Apple's sales figures showed this and so did NVIDIA. This might be one reason we'll probably see new non RTX video cards soon.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:51:02
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The point is the tech is being used unlike some people are saying.
3 games in 5 months is well worth the premium. Demos and benchmarks is not what anyone wants. They want eye candy for days with high fps in games. RT and dlss is is great when worth while games support it.
DXR & DLSS give eye candy amd can't provide.
AMD claims that they will be able to provide the same. So, just like waiting for RTX and DLSS support for NVIDIA, we will be waiting for the same for AMD.
So, now that is hopefully finally put to rest, can we focus on price, performance, reliability, features, etcetera for the majority of users today? Not the future. Not speculation. The majority. Today.
True, only difference is DXR & DLSS are current implemented in select titles now while amd's tech isn't even implemented at all.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:53:47
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It's worth it if you're truly a tech enthusiast & want to experience the latest tech now.
That's a horrible reason to buy anything, and justifies the costs companies impose because they know suckers will pay.
When you're first to the market with new tech you can charge what you want.
Some companies think they can do that but there is a limit. When iPhones went way over 1000 dollars and RTX cards went up quite a bit sales dropped. Apple's sales figures showed this and so did NVIDIA. This might be one reason we'll probably see new non RTX video cards soon.
I can agree that the prices are very high.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:53:48
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It's worth it if you're truly a tech enthusiast & want to experience the latest tech now.
That's a horrible reason to buy anything, and justifies the costs companies impose because they know suckers will pay.
When you're first to the market with new tech you can charge what you want.
Some companies think they can do that but there is a limit. When iPhones went way over 1000 dollars and RTX cards went up quite a bit sales dropped. Apple's sales figures showed this and so did NVIDIA. This might be one reason we'll probably see new non RTX video cards soon.
Yup I hope they do make high end cards without RTX that are not dumb down version to make people that have the RTX cards feel better like the 1660ti
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:58:31
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The point is the tech is being used unlike some people are saying.
3 games in 5 months is well worth the premium. Demos and benchmarks is not what anyone wants. They want eye candy for days with high fps in games. RT and dlss is is great when worth while games support it.
DXR & DLSS give eye candy amd can't provide.
I'm not talking about AMD. At least AMD new card tech at launch works with 100% on every game while the RTX cards NO games supported ray tracing or dlss at launch.
3 games in 5 months is well worth the premium for Dxr and dlss is laughable.
You were talking about eye candy. DXR & DLSS provide more eye candy. A 2080 ti provides more fps too. AMD new card tech works 100% on every game? You must have missed the Radeon VII reviews as the cards had many issues in the reviewers systems.
At a cost of dumbing down Ray tracing to get fps higher or did you forget that. I did not bring in AMD into this you did. I do not care what radon VII does you do. 2080ti is a premium card it should provide fps and it does at launch with no games that supported it the new tech.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:01:55
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This is getting tiresome. Agree to disagree..go your separate ways..
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:02:07
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:03:10
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It's worth it if you're truly a tech enthusiast & want to experience the latest tech now.
That's a horrible reason to buy anything, and justifies the costs companies impose because they know suckers will pay.
When you're first to the market with new tech you can charge what you want.
Some companies think they can do that but there is a limit. When iPhones went way over 1000 dollars and RTX cards went up quite a bit sales dropped. Apple's sales figures showed this and so did NVIDIA. This might be one reason we'll probably see new non RTX video cards soon.
I can agree that the prices are very high.
Why are you saying that the prices are high when new tech companies can charge what they want. Your words not mine. You are contributing to the higher prices for tech that is not supported at launch or not worth the premium. You can honestly say that the premium of RTX is worth it for games since launch?
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:04:09
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It's worth it if you're truly a tech enthusiast & want to experience the latest tech now.
That's a horrible reason to buy anything, and justifies the costs companies impose because they know suckers will pay.
When you're first to the market with new tech you can charge what you want.
Some companies think they can do that but there is a limit. When iPhones went way over 1000 dollars and RTX cards went up quite a bit sales dropped. Apple's sales figures showed this and so did NVIDIA. This might be one reason we'll probably see new non RTX video cards soon.
Yup I hope they do make high end cards without RTX that are not dumb down version to make people that have the RTX cards feel better like the 1660ti
After seeing how bad the Radeon 7 flopped in the reviews, Nvidia is laughing at the need for a non RTX card.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:04:44
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This is getting tiresome. Agree to disagree..go your separate ways..
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Ya its seams like a couple of people that start it and it goes from there.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:08:42
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Sajin
It's worth it if you're truly a tech enthusiast & want to experience the latest tech now.
That's a horrible reason to buy anything, and justifies the costs companies impose because they know suckers will pay.
When you're first to the market with new tech you can charge what you want.
Some companies think they can do that but there is a limit. When iPhones went way over 1000 dollars and RTX cards went up quite a bit sales dropped. Apple's sales figures showed this and so did NVIDIA. This might be one reason we'll probably see new non RTX video cards soon.
Yup I hope they do make high end cards without RTX that are not dumb down version to make people that have the RTX cards feel better like the 1660ti
After seeing how bad the Radeon 7 flopped in the reviews, Nvidia is laughing at the need for a non RTX card.
Come on it happens every time AMD launches a new card there are people that think it's going to beat nvidia high end cards. Then nope it does not and then they are shocked. I'm laughing on how people partied a premium for tech that games did not support at launch and still not many games now that support it
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:13:00
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At a cost of dumbing down Ray tracing to get fps higher or did you forget that. I did not bring in AMD into this you did. I do not care what radon VII does you do. 2080ti is a premium card it should provide fps and it does at launch with no games that supported it the new tech.
Even with it dumbed down it still provides more eye candy. LittleGuy
Why are you saying that the prices are high when new tech companies can charge what they want. Your words not mine. You are contributing to the higher prices for tech that is not supported at launch or not worth the premium. You can honestly say that the premium of RTX is worth it for games since launch?
Because the tech companies can charge whatever they want. I never said I agreed with the prices. Yes, as the 2080 ti has also provided faster rasterization since launch than any other previous card.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:14:11
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Why are you saying that the prices are high when new tech companies can charge what they want. Your words not mine. You are contributing to the higher prices for tech that is not supported at launch or not worth the premium. You can honestly say that the premium of RTX is worth it for games since launch?
You should be glad there are people that will buy for the experience of the new tech. This will make the tech available to buyers at a lower cost with more power in the long run.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:19:38
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At a cost of dumbing down Ray tracing to get fps higher or did you forget that. I did not bring in AMD into this you did. I do not care what radon VII does you do. 2080ti is a premium card it should provide fps and it does at launch with no games that supported it the new tech.
Even with it dumbed down it still provides more eye candy.
LittleGuy
Why are you saying that the prices are high when new tech companies can charge what they want. Your words not mine. You are contributing to the higher prices for tech that is not supported at launch or not worth the premium. You can honestly say that the premium of RTX is worth it for games since launch?
Because the tech companies can charge whatever they want. I never said I agreed with the prices. Yes, as the 2080 ti has also provided faster rasterization since launch than any other previous card.
You did agree with it by buying the overpriced card. The 2080ti and the 2000 series cards are great without the RT enabled, but not work the premium for the lack of games that support them.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:24:15
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At a cost of dumbing down Ray tracing to get fps higher or did you forget that. I did not bring in AMD into this you did. I do not care what radon VII does you do. 2080ti is a premium card it should provide fps and it does at launch with no games that supported it the new tech.
Even with it dumbed down it still provides more eye candy.
LittleGuy
Why are you saying that the prices are high when new tech companies can charge what they want. Your words not mine. You are contributing to the higher prices for tech that is not supported at launch or not worth the premium. You can honestly say that the premium of RTX is worth it for games since launch?
Because the tech companies can charge whatever they want. I never said I agreed with the prices. Yes, as the 2080 ti has also provided faster rasterization since launch than any other previous card.
You did agree with it by buying the overpriced card. The 2080ti and the 2000 series cards are great, but not work the premium for the lack of games that support them.
The components need to exist before games can be built around it. Give it time and we will be rewarded with the best gaming graphics that are closer to looking realistic and not like cartoons.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:27:37
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When you're first to the market with new tech you can charge what you want.
That's the justification from the company. From a consumer perspective the performance should dictate and justify price, not just the word of the company providing your fix. You don't have to buy the product based on value, but people simply can't resist their addiction. Company: "This is new tech so it will cost twice the price of our previous version." Consumer: "......This makes sense because I'm a moron and I'll take two! :D". Company: "This component is also rare and we will be adding a premium to the entire unit." Consumer: "......... :D ........."
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:29:19
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Does the 16g of vram make sense? I think if they could have gone with 12 and possibly dropped the price to $599 then this card would have been more appealing to me anyways.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:31:05
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You did agree with it by buying the overpriced card. The 2080ti and the 2000 series cards are great without the RT enabled, but not work the premium for the lack of games that support them.
I bought it because I needed it, not because I agreed with the price point. 
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:33:38
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You did agree with it by buying the overpriced card. The 2080ti and the 2000 series cards are great without the RT enabled, but not work the premium for the lack of games that support them.
I bought it because I needed it, not because I agreed with the price point.
Since it replaced the slow 1080 ti kingpin and you are not using it I would give it a nice home 
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 10:37:46
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You did agree with it by buying the overpriced card. The 2080ti and the 2000 series cards are great without the RT enabled, but not work the premium for the lack of games that support them.
I bought it because I needed it, not because I agreed with the price point.
Since it replaced the slow 1080 ti kingpin and you are not using it I would give it a nice home
I've already sold it.
Doh......
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