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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/07 22:45:52
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Every other reviewer had no issues but him. He probably botched the PC setup.
Clearly you didn't watch JayzTwoCents review.
I watched 17 reviews. Everyone knows JayzTwoCents seems to personally push NVIDIA. I'd say about 90 percent of reviewers gave better in-depth review of the Radeon 7 than he did. It doesn't matter anyway because I'll do my own personal review of the Radeon 7 next week and let everyone know what I think about it.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/07 22:48:55
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I read about 10 reviews and it seems to be sitting right about what you would expect for $699 .
Cheaper in price & performance to it's competitor brother the 2080 , which costs $100+ more .
Disappointing for some people who wanted a miracle & more competition to drive Nvidia card prices down even more ... but I wouldn't say a fail .
The real problem for AMD is this card does not feature DLSS or Ray Tracing. Sure it costs less but I would rather future proof my investment for the slight price difference. The new 3Dmark benchmark showed that having DLSS will probably pay off to have.
How many games use Ray Tracing? How many games use DLSS? "Although AMD does have functioning ray tracing in the form of Radeon Rays using the Vulkan API, that’s not a technology that is implemented in any games at this time, and AMD hasn’t made it viable with the Radeon VII. Nor is DLSS available, although AMD has suggested that its cards’ general compute units are capable of something similar. Furthermore, it may even implement it in the future using Microsoft’s open standard, DirectML."
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/07 23:43:24
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Let's not forget the card doesn't support crossfire. 
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/07 23:51:08
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Gamers Nexus longer more in depth review. Seems AMD has some work to do on this card.
Gamers Nexus really spends a lot of time on the overclocking and AMD notified reviewers that the overclocking is broken. They promised it will be fixed soon.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/07 23:52:20
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Let's not forget the card doesn't support crossfire.
Let's not forget that NVIDIA is also getting away from SLI. Only the RTX 2080 and higher support it. RTX 2070 doesn't support SLI.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
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For 7nm tech this cards is underwhelming from a gamers prospective, but creators will like this card if the drivers get better.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 05:11:59
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Let's not forget the card doesn't support crossfire.
Remember all those early stories of how in WIN 10 we were all going to be able to harness the power of any, multiple graphics cards together , no matter the brand or core.... Nvidia/ AMD ,..etc... What a huge lie & disappointment that was....
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 05:17:37
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Let's not forget the card doesn't support crossfire.
Remember all those early stories of how in WIN 10 we were all going to be able to harness the power of any, multiple graphics cards together , no matter the brand or core.... Nvidia/ AMD ,..etc...
What a huge lie & disappointment that was....
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 05:27:47
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Regardless of anything, buy what you like...Don't bash someone else for liking another product...it's not worth it.
As I said before, I will always buy nvidia...even if it's slower....why? because every time I've tried ATi/AMD I've had issues...
I know friends who go the other way and have nothing but problems with nvidia...as long as you're happy with your purchase,
it doesn't matter..and personal opinion about "which card is better" doesn't really matter.
The reviews certainly do...the testing certainly does..but I'm less concerned with "best card" and more concerned with
"what I'm comfortable with"..
that's my perspective anyway.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 06:04:49
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Every other reviewer had no issues but him. He probably botched the PC setup.
Clearly you didn't watch JayzTwoCents review.
Clearly he didn't watch any of the other videos. This card as of right now is a complete mess.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 06:10:15
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For 7nm tech this cards is underwhelming from a gamers prospective, but creators will like this card if the drivers get better.
That's a big if as AMD has reputation for moving to a smaller manufacturing process and not getting it to work right.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 06:14:51
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For many users, the NVIDIA 2xxx series remains a mess for them, too. AMD's Radeon VII "being a mess right now" is something that a buyer has to assume won't remain the case for very long. The Radeon VII seems competitive. Please, let's all put the DXR and DLSS stuff aside. 1) DXR and DLSS is virtually unimplemented. 2) You can't have GTX 1080 Ti owners refuse to upgrade to 2080's or 2080 Ti's because of cost and lack of interest in the DXR and DLSS features and at the same time bash Radeon VII for not having those same features that they personally don't care about. DXR and DLSS aside (as a tech with proper implementation in the future which both products are theoretically capable of supporting in one way or another), the GTX 2080 and the Radeo VII are competitive in performance and price; and the biggest complaint against both is that the price is a bit high and that uncertainty about stability/longevity/reliability is a "bit of a mess right now" for both products. From this vantage point, both products seem quite similar to me.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 06:41:25
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Let's not forget the card doesn't support crossfire.
Thank god. Either make a dual GPU VGA or go home.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 06:41:33
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For many users, the NVIDIA 2xxx series remains a mess for them, too. AMD's Radeon VII "being a mess right now" is something that a buyer has to assume won't remain the case for very long. The Radeon VII seems competitive. And, please, let's all put the DXR and DLSS stuff aside. 1) DXR and DLSS is virtually unimplemented. 2) You can't have GTX 1080 Ti owners refuse to upgrade to 2080 Ti's because of cost and lack of interest in the DXR and DLSS features and at the same time bash Radeon VII for not having those same features that they personally don't care about.
Gamers do want DXR and DLSS, it's the cost holding them back from buying them. AMD is offering the Radeon 7 at the same price without these features, so if price is the issue even with the features, what would make a gamer drop the cash needed to get the Radeon 7 over a RTX 2080?
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
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I don't want DXR or DLSS. I must not be a gamer.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 07:07:24
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I don't want DXR or DLSS. I must not be a gamer.
Maybe you're not and you're sample size is only one.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 07:20:09
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DXR and DLSS are irrelevant arguments since the tech isn't used.
DXR and DLSS aside (as a tech with proper implementation in the future which both products are theoretically capable of supporting in one way or another), the GTX 2080 and the Radeo VII are competitive in performance and price; and the biggest complaint against both is that the price is a bit high and that uncertainty about stability/longevity/reliability is a "bit of a mess right now" for both products.
I heard that the Radeon VII supports time travel. They are just waiting for proper operating system, game developer, and theoretical physicist support. Some day (TM).
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 07:25:34
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DXR and DLSS are irrelevant arguments since the tech isn't used.
The tech is being used. It's still in the early stages of being implemented, but it is being used.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 07:53:13
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DXR and DLSS are irrelevant arguments since the tech isn't used.
The tech is being used. It's still in the early stages of being implemented, but it is being used.
How many games use this tech currently?
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
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DXR and DLSS are irrelevant arguments since the tech isn't used.
The tech is being used. It's still in the early stages of being implemented, but it is being used.
How many games use this tech currently?
Do you not know how to use a search engine?
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/games-support-nvidia-ray-tracing/
Do you know how to read. I said currently. Some of those games are not out. So 3 games that's a lot to choose from with that premium price graphics card. To me those games are not worth it for that premium price. That's pretty pathetic set of games since launch that support RT and dlss. You also stated that the tech is being used , but not stated any games that support it because its lack luster.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:00:42
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DXR and DLSS are irrelevant arguments since the tech isn't used.
The tech is being used. It's still in the early stages of being implemented, but it is being used.
How many games use this tech currently?
Do you not know how to use a search engine?
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/games-support-nvidia-ray-tracing/
Do you know how to read. I said currently. Some of those games are not out.
Your question was "How many games use this tech currently?" and I gave you the answer. The games are listed under the big blue words that says Games That Are Out Now
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:01:20
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DXR and DLSS are irrelevant arguments since the tech isn't used.
The tech is being used. It's still in the early stages of being implemented, but it is being used.
How many games use this tech currently?
BFV supports DXR. Final Fantasy XV supports DLSS. 3dmark supports both DXR & DLSS. Metro Exodus should have both working out of the box on the 15th of this month.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:02:38
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Let's not forget the card doesn't support crossfire.
Remember all those early stories of how in WIN 10 we were all going to be able to harness the power of any, multiple graphics cards together , no matter the brand or core.... Nvidia/ AMD ,..etc...
What a huge lie & disappointment that was....
Yep.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:03:09
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DXR and DLSS are irrelevant arguments since the tech isn't used.
The tech is being used. It's still in the early stages of being implemented, but it is being used.
How many games use this tech currently?
BFV supports DXR.
Final Fantasy XV supports DLSS.
3dmark supports both DXR & DLSS.
Metro Exodus should have both working out of the box on the 15th of this month.
Metro is not out yet so that game is not currently out. 3d mark I just beat that game it's too easy. Sarcasm off.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:04:30
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The point is the tech is being used unlike some people are saying.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:11:10
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The point is the tech is being used unlike some people are saying.
3 games in 5 months is well worth the premium. Demos and benchmarks is not what anyone wants. They want eye candy for days with high fps in games. RT and dlss is is great when worth while games support it.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:14:34
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Let's not forget the card doesn't support crossfire.
Remember all those early stories of how in WIN 10 we were all going to be able to harness the power of any, multiple graphics cards together , no matter the brand or core.... Nvidia/ AMD ,..etc...
What a huge lie & disappointment that was....
No kidding!! or how DX12 would stack and utilize all VRAM in multi GPU setups? So many undelivered promises. Hec I only upgraded from my 980Ti SLI Setup to 1080 setup for the extra VRAM, and now that SLI is only an option on cards that are upwards of $700, you may as-well stick the nail in the coffin there. Very odd time in the technical world we live in, diminishing performance returns for the dollar, and slower technical advancement. Anyway getting back on topic, honestly though, if a feller had to pick between the RTX 2080 & the Radeon VII, just for sake of a change of scenery, I'd pick the Radeon VII. Seriously with VRAM usage increasing like crazy, that 16GB would give someone like myself peace of mind for future gaming. With how slow the adoption rate is for Nvidia's RT & DLSS, it's more than fair to say it's a wash at least for the next 2-3 years. But we do know VRAM usage will always be increasing. But who am I kidding? I'm at a point in my personal life where I've seen the tides turn, and am not going to be supporting either company and their hardly functioning $700+ GPU's. It's no different then how so many big companies(like EA) are releasing sub-par quality games at full price. If we all continue supporting this crap, crap is exactly what we will get.
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Re: AMD Radeon VII vs. Nvidia RTX 2080
2019/02/08 09:18:31
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The point is the tech is being used unlike some people are saying.
3 games in 5 months is well worth the premium. Demos and benchmarks is not what anyone wants. They want eye candy for days with high fps in games. RT and dlss is is great when worth while games support it.
DXR & DLSS give eye candy amd can't provide.
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