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2017/07/06 00:25:53 (permalink)
https://www.techpowerup.com/234924/amd-rx-vega-beats-gtx-1080-5-performance-improvement-per-month
 
Of course this isn't an indication of final performance so for that we'll have to wait for the final product release. 

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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 04:09:21 (permalink)
    i would direct you to read this
    https://forums.evga.com/AMD-confirms-it-will-announce-RX-Vega-at-an-event-this-month-m2690053.aspx
     
     
    Vega does not beat a 1080
    an overclocked vega RX barely beats a stock 1080 only
    and at what cost?? Rx runs hotter and eats more power 300 watt + 
    to stock 1080 ...180 watt
     
    like first of all don't mix apples and oranges - if you gonna compare a card to a card  do it on the basis of.... stock against stock - overclock against overclock
     
     
    and 5% a month??? - like think about when they had silicon 
    considering they have had vega for almost 1yr already early samples were aug last year - meaning it would have sucked high wind when they got it and explains why the three steppings
     
     
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 05:17:35 (permalink)
    So, is this a true 5% or a Veteran Affairs 5%?

    True = 5% of 100%. VA = 5% of 50%

    True.. if you are at 50% and there is a 5% increase, you are at 55%.. another 5% puts you at 60%. Jump to a 10% increase and you are at 70%

    VA.. you are at 50% and have a 5% increase, you are at 52.5%.. another 5% and you are at 54%.. add another 10% and you are at 59%.. It is always decreasing as you add on.
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 06:20:27 (permalink)
    Xavier Zepherious
    i would direct you to read this
    https://forums.evga.com/AMD-confirms-it-will-announce-RX-Vega-at-an-event-this-month-m2690053.aspx
     
     
    Vega does not beat a 1080
    an overclocked vega RX barely beats a stock 1080 only
    and at what cost?? Rx runs hotter and eats more power 300 watt +
     



    Where was the mention of the Vega card being OC'd? Where was the mention of it siphoning 300W???
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 06:41:01 (permalink)
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    Where was the mention of the Vega card being OC'd? Where was the mention of it siphoning 300W???


    https://videocardz.com/70...a-3dmark11-performance

    The assumption that this is a 300w card is probably coming from the fact that Vega frontier is a 300w card. And these are pretty much the same cards is what most are expecting.
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 09:55:02 (permalink)
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    Xavier Zepherious
    i would direct you to read this
    https://forums.evga.com/AMD-confirms-it-will-announce-RX-Vega-at-an-event-this-month-m2690053.aspx
     
     
    Vega does not beat a 1080
    an overclocked vega RX barely beats a stock 1080 only
    and at what cost?? Rx runs hotter and eats more power 300 watt +
     



    Where was the mention of the Vega card being OC'd? Where was the mention of it siphoning 300W???




     
    read the story
    "The highest score the 687F:C1 has achieved is an overclocked chip"
    straight from the story and has been confirmed on many sites now
     
    3DMark11 does not recognize unreleased overclocked graphics cards very well.
     
    which is why you don't have clock speeds posted that are accurate only 1630+
     
     
     
     
    just look at the runs 7 of them.... out of 9(2 are stock settings).... only 1 beat the stock 1080 and that was with an overclocked vega RX and overclocked HBM2 (highest overclock for HBM2 on vega yet)
     
    the two stock setting are
    3dmark11  27905 and 27890  which is nowhere near the 30400 for the stock gtx1080
     
    and from other sources we know it pretty much at MAX power usage - just like the frontier version
     
     
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 10:07:21 (permalink)
    Does AMD have anything that hangs with the 1080 Ti or Titan XP?

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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 10:14:38 (permalink)
    Xavier, - epic link!

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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 10:15:45 (permalink)
    kram36
    Does AMD have anything that hangs with the 1080 Ti or Titan XP?


    Not yet.

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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 10:18:14 (permalink)
    not yet.... i wish
     
    another thing i hear was AMD wasn't expect pascal to do that good (with silicon/design) and were not expecting the gtx1080ti either
    so they were caught a little off guard and have been trying to improve vega for months(almost 1 yr considering they had silicon in aug last year) - that why the 3 steppings but also hearing rumors of bug in chip 
    but have to release... due to a FIXED RELEASE DATE for the silicon they have now for investors/sharholders 
     
    so they have no choice to go now - even with Vega RX  or have egg on their face from shareholders/investors 
     
     
    Lets face it... AMD needs to get bought out by someone with deep pockets - you can't design anything let alone mega software without deep pockets anymore
     
    300MB drivers you need a lot of programmers for that just think.... 100 thousand lines of code for 300 programmers (that 10 bytes of code for each line of code- think machine code here)
    you need serious staff to get things done
     
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 10:21:04 (permalink)
    Xavier Zepherious
     
    read the story
    "The highest score the 687F:C1 has achieved is an overclocked chip"
    straight from the story and has been confirmed on many sites now
     
    3DMark11 does not recognize unreleased overclocked graphics cards very well.
     
    and from other sources we know it pretty much at MAX power usage - just like the frontier version




    I missed that part. Even though Videocardz underlined it. Busy at work. You understand.
     
    As for TDP, lets wait and see. We don't know yet what iteration of Vega was leaked. Could have been an OC'd 1060 competitor beating the 1070. Or a direct 1070 competitor beating the 1070 stock and 1080 OC'd. Some optimization may still be required.
     
    Again I remember the backlash Ryzen received upon release, as well as previous to that leaked benchmarks were heavily scrutinized, and again I must point out how that turned out.
     
    I'm not saying Vega will be a tremendous success. Matter of fact I'm confident that Pascal will remain the VGA king until Volta. AMD doesn't need to dethrone Nvidia. Just maintain or come close to parity.
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 10:31:27 (permalink)
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    Where was the mention of the Vega card being OC'd? Where was the mention of it siphoning 300W???


    https://videocardz.com/70...a-3dmark11-performance

    The assumption that this is a 300w card is probably coming from the fact that Vega frontier is a 300w card. And these are pretty much the same cards is what most are expecting.



    Im also assuming the chip will be pushed hard to meet Nvidia's offering and that means overclocking

     
       


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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 10:37:16 (permalink)
    here is the problem that has been milled about
     
    [<font]Maximum Feature Level: D3D_FEATURE_LEVEL_12_0 (0xc000) Increased to D3D_FEATURE_LEVEL_12_1 (0xc100) 
    [<font]MinPrecisionSupport: D3D12_SHADER_MIN_PRECISION_SUPPORT_NONE (0) Increased to D3D12_SHADER_MIN_PRECISION_SUPPORT_16_BIT (2) (there what some talk about this might be a bug in the detection) 
    [<font]TiledResourcesTier: D3D12_TILED_RESOURCES_TIER_2 (2) Increased to D3D12_TILED_RESOURCES_TIER_3 (3) 
    [<font]ROVsSupported: False -> True 
    [<font]ConservativeRasterizationTier: D3D12_CONSERVATIVE_RASTERIZATION_TIER_NOT_SUPPORTED (0) added as D3D12_CONSERVATIVE_RASTERIZATION_TIER_3 (3) (Pascal is Tier 2 Massive jump here?) 

    [<font]MaxGPUVirtualAddressBitsPerResource: 40 -> 44 (this might be due to cut Fury air chip? ) 
    [<font]MaxGPUVirtualAddressBitsPerProcess: 40 ->
    [<font]This is the number of cores, so this is the reason for this.
     

     
       


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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 10:54:59 (permalink)
    I'm very interested in the HBCC (High Bandwidth Cache Controller), I really want to see what this is all about. Will I be tethering a SSD to a Vega card as a crazy cache system? Will it work out of the box or will it need to be supported by a game?

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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/06 18:46:12 (permalink)
    Rumors also claimed RX Vega would be clocked much higher. So if that was true, then OCing the Vega Pro is perfectly valid. Everything's rumor and at this point it doesn't matter if it beats a 1080 or not. It's going to suck more power, it's going to cost way more to produce than a 1080 because of HBM2, and so the end result is AMD getting squeezed yet again. Vega may end up looking silly when Volta comes out by the end of the year. 


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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/07 00:09:08 (permalink)
    One of AMD's own people stated that one of the consumer-type Vega products would have higher performance than the Frontier Edition - which implies higher clocks as it will probably be the same actual GPU and RAM, and "workstation" targeted cards pretty much ALWAYS have lower clocks as part of their aim for higher reliability under heavy constant workloads.
     
     Frontier Edition is targeted more at workstation work than gaming, expecially when you look at the price....
     
     

    I am the friendly competition - but at least I DO use some EVGA products to compete with y'all

     
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/07 14:26:46 (permalink)
    That mean price of GTX1080Ti will stay same. 
     
    It's shame that 14 months after Pascal launch date we worry is it AMDs premium GPU stronger or weaker than NVIDIAs year old medium segment GTX1080Ti. Or we could say that GTX1080 is high segment and GTX1080Ti premium, how much people prefer.
    Now AMD will change strategy and to offer RX Vega CF for 100$ more than GTX1080Ti and people will use single or dual on Ryzen 7 and everyone is happy. Except guys who expect to GTX1080Ti price go little down.
     


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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/07 14:27:06 (permalink)
    That mean price of GTX1080Ti will stay same. 
     
    It's shame that 14 months after Pascal launch date we worry is it AMDs premium GPU stronger or weaker than NVIDIAs year old medium segment GTX1080. Or we could say that GTX1080 is high segment and GTX1080Ti premium, how much people prefer.
    Now AMD will change strategy and to offer RX Vega CF for 100$ more than GTX1080Ti and people will use single or dual on Ryzen 7 and everyone is happy. Except guys who expect to GTX1080Ti price go little down to think on some custom model not basic only.
    Before 6 years I bought premium GeForce with ALL CUDA for price of GTX1070 now.
    Before 3 years I bought premium GeForce with ALL CUDA for price of GTX1080 now.
    Now I would need to pay even more than GTX1080 for crippled card with crippled bandwidth.
    What is next, exactly 1000$ successor of GTX1080Ti cripple on all side where is possible.
    How we slip fast from 699 to almost 1000$ for some models in store that's really question.
    To be precize Europe never even had opportunity to see nothing like 699. More like 799 or 899.
     
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/07 19:42:08 (permalink)
    GTX 1080ti is NOT "medium segment" or even close.
    It's DEFINITELY a "high end enthusiast" level product - like the top Vega consumer card should be aiming for.
     
     MEDIUM segment would be the 1060 varients, and possibly the 1050ti.
     
    Europe has higher pricing for a few reasons (1) widespread usage of VAT (2) less competition (3) smaller market for computer parts.
     

    I am the friendly competition - but at least I DO use some EVGA products to compete with y'all

     
    3 x GTX 1070 SC, 2 x GTX 960 SC, 3 x GTX 950 SC, 2 x 1300 G2, might be more I missed.
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/08 00:27:25 (permalink)
    I know, I made mistake, I thought on GTX1080 is medium segment.
    Anyway PCB on some 400-450$ worth models doesn't look as high segment at all.
    As normal mid range, and such cards cost 300-350$, now are arround 500$ and price was even higher in some point.


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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/08 00:49:26 (permalink)
    We will find out at the end of this month so AMD has only a little time to optimize drivers.

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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/09 16:09:26 (permalink)
    https://www.3dcenter.org/news/weitere-deaktivierte-features-im-aktuellen-vega-treiber
     
    good read there - find out some chunks of Vega not running
     
    HBCC - HIGH BANDWIDTH CACHE CONTROLLER 
    Binning rasterizer
    ACFS -Adaptive Voltage & Frequency Scaling 
    ACG - Advance Clock Gating
     
    like 10 months from actual(Aug2016) silicon  and you have these problems
     
     
    you are 1 week away from sending review samples out to reviewer/testers so they get first dibs and testing so they can release a full PR spread on release date
     
    so - working drivers they should have had by now with everything up
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/10 20:55:05 (permalink)
    launch at siggraph???? paper launch only - or only AMD REFERENCE
     
     
    read
    https://www.3dcenter.org/news/der-release-fahrplan-der-herstellerdesigns-zur-radeon-rx-vega
     
     
    seems the first AMD vega RX won't be avail from AIB partners til august or later  - since AMD has not given them a firm date
     
    Input of the final source BIOS from AMD until aug 2
    Start of mass production -will be defined later - since AMD hasn't given a date
     
    why no Date? - maybe bad silicon - have to fix Vega?
     
     
    craps you start any later you into a timeline that could put you up against Volta 2080 if NVidia can get it out early 
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/11 11:52:12 (permalink)

    RUMOR: RX VEGA XTX, RX VEGA XT, RX VEGA XL

    4096 8GB 375 Watt water cooler -  it’s a codename of Frontier’s GPU (Vega 10 GLXTX).
    4096 8GB  285 Watt - Air cooled
    3584 ?GB  285Watt
     
     
    https://videocardz.com/70890/amd-radeon-rx-vega-xtx-vega-xt-and-vega-xl
     
     
    Like frontier and Vega RX are the same chip like i Said
     
     
    did anyone notice the naming Scheme again Nvidia used XFX on their older cards in the past .. now AMD uses XTX???...lol
     
     
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/11 12:17:16 (permalink)
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    RUMOR: RX VEGA XTX, RX VEGA XT, RX VEGA XL

    4096 8GB 375 Watt water cooler -  it’s a codename of Frontier’s GPU (Vega 10 GLXTX).
    4096 8GB  285 Watt - Air cooled
    3584 ?GB  285Watt
     
     
    https://videocardz.com/70890/amd-radeon-rx-vega-xtx-vega-xt-and-vega-xl
     
     
    Like frontier and Vega RX are the same chip like i Said
     
     
    did anyone notice the naming Scheme again Nvidia used XFX on their older cards in the past .. now AMD uses XTX???...lol
     
     




    XFX is a manufacturing company which produced Nvidia AND ATI/AMD VGA's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFX
     
    ATI did in fact use XTX on their older offerings such as the ATI Radeon X1950 XTX.
     
    Rumors aren't good if the performance doesn't match Nvidia's top end offerings. If it does RX Vega wattage isn't that far above the competition. Disregarding the Frontier, of course.
    post edited by panzlock - 2017/07/11 12:24:48
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/11 12:49:15 (permalink)
    Who else sees the issue with these. I am sorry but 375 watts and 285 for the lowest end one. If it takes AMD 285 Watts to beat the GTX 1070, which uses 150W, then that is a massive issue.
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/11 13:24:11 (permalink)
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    Who else sees the issue with these. I am sorry but 375 watts and 285 for the lowest end one. If it takes AMD 285 Watts to beat the GTX 1070, which uses 150W, then that is a massive issue.




    ...Rumors.
     
    Lets again not forget that we don't know if these TDP's are accurate, and if they are we don't know which end of the market these speculations encompass. I doubt AMD botched this up so bad that AMD's 1070 equivalent draws 135 watts more.
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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/11 13:34:10 (permalink)
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    Who else sees the issue with these. I am sorry but 375 watts and 285 for the lowest end one. If it takes AMD 285 Watts to beat the GTX 1070, which uses 150W, then that is a massive issue.




    ...Rumors.
     
    Lets again not forget that we don't know if these TDP's are accurate, and if they are we don't know which end of the market these speculations encompass. I doubt AMD botched this up so bad that AMD's 1070 equivalent draws 135 watts more.




    That's exactly what I expect. AMD is very behind in the high end GPU market. Releasing a flagship GPU a year later than Nvidia with less absolute performance AND worse performance per watt is disappointing to say the least. On top of that, Volta is coming sometime 2018 to widen the gap even further. AMD screwed up on this generation, probably because they were waiting for HBM2 causing too many delays. If this card released alongside the 1080(non-Ti) last year, it would have been more reasonable, and probably cheaper using GDDR5


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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/11 14:51:19 (permalink)
    AMD will be taking RX Vega for a tour. The first community tour will take place in Budapest, Hungary on July 18. Then two days later RX Vega will be shown in action at PDXLAN in Portland, USA. The third and final event will take place at SIGGRAPH, so right where RX Vega will be unveiled.
    Here’s a full schedule:
    • Budapest, Hungary July 18 at the Akvárium Klub from 2 to 7 CET.
    • Portland, USA, PDXLAN in, July 21 to 23
    • Los Angeles, USA, SIGGRAPH 2017, July 30
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    honestly im not impressed the top RX vega barely meets a 1080 let alone a Titan XP or Tesla or even a 1080ti
     
    1080 at 185 watt versus rx vega  for about the same performance which is 375 watt (and gamer nexus has it using 400 watts now at clocked at 1700)
    so like double the power consumption and a more expensive card???? like hbm2 is not cheap ... like WTH who would buy it
    also hearing that the HBM2 does not overclock well either
     
     
    at this point im looking forward to ANY VOLTA  early - i just lost a 28inch monitor and looking at a 32-49 inch replacement  UHD HDR display and needing some serious horsepower to handle 4k gaming in 10 bit color
     
    can pick up some 40+ UHD HDR TV for under $1k even around $600
     
     
    post edited by Xavier Zepherious - 2017/07/11 16:15:03

     
       


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    Re: AMD RX Vega Beats GTX 1080; 5% Performance Improvement per Month 2017/07/11 17:44:32 (permalink)
    panzlock
    ...Rumors.
     
    Lets again not forget that we don't know if these TDP's are accurate, and if they are we don't know which end of the market these speculations encompass. I doubt AMD botched this up so bad that AMD's 1070 equivalent draws 135 watts more.

     
    The Radeon 580 already draws more power than the 1070 card. Some of them by as much as 53w more. The Vega FE power results alone pretty much indicate Vega is going to be a hot power hungry card, because it draws more power than even a 1080 Ti. 


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