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AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018

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2018/02/13 12:33:12 (permalink)
7nm EPYC “Rome” Chips Rumored To Feature Up To 64 Cores
 
AMD has officially presented the latest details for their Zeppelin SOC for multi-chip architectures. The Zeppelin SOC is the codename for the die that is used on entire range of AMD 14nm chips including Ryzen, Ryzen Threadripper and EPYC families. AMD has provided a deep dive on their grand architecture which disrupted the market upon its release in both desktop, HEDT and server segments.
 
https://wccftech.com/amd-...m-epyc-64-cores-rumor/

 
   


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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/13 16:55:51 (permalink)
    So, 12-core Ryzen 7's coming?

    TEC/Peltier definitions, formulas and temperature estimations

     For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  
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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/16 11:34:53 (permalink)
    If this happens I'll be super stoked. I am trying to decide between a Ryzen and Threadripper build. If socket compatibility with current generation will be kept for Zen2 it may just tip me to TR right now.
    I am just dipping my toes into multi-core programming and I can see the possibilities are awesome.
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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/16 12:00:38 (permalink)
    I've got a Threadripper 1920X so if you have any questions about it just let me know.

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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/17 00:28:25 (permalink)
    I have been extremely happy with my Threadripper CPU so far myself! Performance is amazing for converting music files, and rendering video. Games run good as well except I have issues with games based on Java or Unity which tend to crash a lot unless I use Ryzen Master to shut down a CCX.

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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/17 00:38:35 (permalink)
    09973
    I have been extremely happy with my Threadripper CPU so far myself! Performance is amazing for converting music files, and rendering video. Games run good as well except I have issues with games based on Java or Unity which tend to crash a lot unless I use Ryzen Master to shut down a CCX.


    Can you give me some titles of games that are giving you problems?

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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/17 01:04:12 (permalink)
    Minecraft, Slay the Spire, Shellshocked Live, Race The Sun are the ones I can think of now. I know of one more recent game that does not run well without crashing but I can not think of it right now. Java, Java, Unity, Unity respectively. Minecraft, and Shellshocked both run 100% fine when disabling 4 cores (1 CCX) on my CPU. Have not tested Slay or Race with Ryzen Master yet.... have not reinstalled it since reinstalling Windows 10.

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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/17 01:57:11 (permalink)
    09973
    Minecraft, Slay the Spire, Shellshocked Live, Race The Sun are the ones I can think of now. I know of one more recent game that does not run well without crashing but I can not think of it right now. Java, Java, Unity, Unity respectively. Minecraft, and Shellshocked both run 100% fine when disabling 4 cores (1 CCX) on my CPU. Have not tested Slay or Race with Ryzen Master yet.... have not reinstalled it since reinstalling Windows 10.


    Those are older games and they are not optimized for that many cores. If the game is CPU dependent you won't have a choice but to disable some cores. However if you have an NVIDIA based video card you can go into the NVIDIA control panel and go to manage 3d settings. Choose the program settings tab. Find a game like Minecraft for example and disable Threaded Optimization. Then retry the game.
     

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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/17 04:26:02 (permalink)
    How is overclocking with the Threadripper? I am waiting to make my build once the newest gen kit releases in April, do you think they will have better power consumption and thermals?
     
    I can afford a 1900x for now and the reviews suggest it will need a powerful PSU and cooling. For 8 cores a Ryzen7 1800x also seems a good idea. Lower TDP, so easier to power and cool.
     
    The Intel 8700k is tempting because people appear to routinely be able to overclock it to 5GHz, but Meltdown/Spectre have soured me on Intel chips.
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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/17 04:43:51 (permalink)
    I haven't tried overclocking yet because this CPU does so well I don't need to.
     
    The 2nd gen Threadripper will probably be released after June. X399 TR4 motherboards need 2 CPU power cables so you will need an 850 watt or higher (which is why you need a powerful PSU). Most PSUs lower in wattage than that don't have two CPU power connectors.
     
    Intel makes really good CPUs but their CPU and motherboard prices are much higher.

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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/17 04:52:33 (permalink)
    I was able to get 4.2Ghz stable on my 1900X, the main reason I went Threadripper(X399) vs 1800X was I wanted (not needed) Quad Channel memory capabilities and more PCIe lanes for future expansion, which atm is limited to GPU pricing, and NVMe raid being unlocked vs money grabbing Intel on X299. Intel has soured me on so many way right now that I continue to be super excited to see what 2nd Gen Ryzen brings to the table.

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    Minecraft, Slay the Spire, Shellshocked Live, Race The Sun are the ones I can think of now. I know of one more recent game that does not run well without crashing but I can not think of it right now. Java, Java, Unity, Unity respectively. Minecraft, and Shellshocked both run 100% fine when disabling 4 cores (1 CCX) on my CPU. Have not tested Slay or Race with Ryzen Master yet.... have not reinstalled it since reinstalling Windows 10.


    Those are older games and they are not optimized for that many cores. If the game is CPU dependent you won't have a choice but to disable some cores. However if you have an NVIDIA based video card you can go into the NVIDIA control panel and go to manage 3d settings. Choose the program settings tab. Find a game like Minecraft for example and disable Threaded Optimization. Then retry the game.
     


    Slay the Spire is a rather recent release, some issues I have with it are likely teething issues as these threading issues are more likely to able to be solved by the dev on java vs unity. Devs on unity are a bit at the mercy of what unity brings them to a point. Either or the 1800X does not crash these games for me like the 1900X does. I know it is not a related to my 1080Ti since my 4820K ran everything fine before hand. Again I still suspect teething issues with infinity fabric (which in threadripper's case deals with the higher core count) and maybe some ram compatibility issues with running higher frequencies.



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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/17 05:00:49 (permalink)
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    I haven't tried overclocking yet because this CPU does so well I don't need to.
     
    The 2nd gen Threadripper will probably be released after June. X399 TR4 motherboards need 2 CPU power cables so you will need an 850 watt or higher (which is why you need a powerful PSU). Most PSUs lower in wattage than that don't have two CPU power connectors.
     
    Intel makes really good CPUs but their CPU and motherboard prices are much higher.


    A 750watt EVGA psu for a bit more than 100$ does the trick here. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438093 which if considering between a 1800X or 1900X that cost is not a issue one bit.... at least it should not be

    Arcanine Fury: CPU: AMD Threadripper 1900X ♨ RAM: T-Force Nighthawk RGB 32GB 3200MHz @ 16-18-18-36  Quad Channel ♨ VGA: Asus Geforce GTX 1080Ti 2103Mhz Max ♨ Storage: Samsung 960 EVO NVMe 1TB + Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB HDD ♨ Mobo: Asus Zenith Extreme ♨ Sound: Asus Xonar Essense STX ♨ Case: EVGA DG-87 ♨ CPU Cooling: NZXT Kraken X62 ♨ Theme Colours: Orange, White, Black, Red
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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/17 05:11:29 (permalink)
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    I haven't tried overclocking yet because this CPU does so well I don't need to.
     
    The 2nd gen Threadripper will probably be released after June. X399 TR4 motherboards need 2 CPU power cables so you will need an 850 watt or higher (which is why you need a powerful PSU). Most PSUs lower in wattage than that don't have two CPU power connectors.
     
    Intel makes really good CPUs but their CPU and motherboard prices are much higher.


    A 750watt EVGA psu for a bit more than 100$ does the trick here. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438093 which if considering between a 1800X or 1900X that cost is not a issue one bit.... at least it should not be


    Good info. Most PSUs at that wattage don't have two CPU EPS connectors.

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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/17 11:21:03 (permalink)
    I was actually looking forward to eventually installing two GPUs, my main interest is in machine learning and having two GPUs helps a lot with that.
     
    With the TR 1900x it will mean an initial outlay of about $1100 for just the CPU, MB and 1000W PSU. With the 1800x I estimate it will be about $700 with a 850W PSU. The extra $400 will let me get 16x PCIe3 speeds for two GPUs, and setup NVMe raid. Without it I am limited to 8x PCIe speeds for two GPUs and regular SSD raid.
     
    Since I am holding out for the 2018 Ryzen releases, I have time enough to decide it its worth it to me or not, and save up the cash for it.
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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/17 18:06:24 (permalink)
    I’m still going to wait for their 7nm to come out. Apparently it should come like next year.
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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/17 18:24:51 (permalink)
    Holy Mother of God.....
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    Re: AMD Fully Discloses Zeppelin SOC Architecture Details at ISSCC 2018 2018/02/20 00:26:12 (permalink)
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    I was actually looking forward to eventually installing two GPUs, my main interest is in machine learning and having two GPUs helps a lot with that.
     
    With the TR 1900x it will mean an initial outlay of about $1100 for just the CPU, MB and 1000W PSU. With the 1800x I estimate it will be about $700 with a 850W PSU. The extra $400 will let me get 16x PCIe3 speeds for two GPUs, and setup NVMe raid. Without it I am limited to 8x PCIe speeds for two GPUs and regular SSD raid.
     
    Since I am holding out for the 2018 Ryzen releases, I have time enough to decide it its worth it to me or not, and save up the cash for it.


    If you plan of two 1080Ti cards with a TR CPU I would look at maybe bumping up to a 1200watt PSU. I have seen people report that 1000watts might not be enough juice. Was going to test this myself with my EVGA 1000watt T2 PSU but alas..... my wallet was emptied of unexpected bills. 

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