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2019/11/08 09:29:05 (permalink)
I just got the GigaByte X570 AURUS XTREME board a couple of days ago.

Before this I had (and have) the GigaByte X470 AURUS Gaming 7 WiFi and I have discussed my experience with this board and the 3600X I have extensively in the thread https://forums.evga.com/D...-m3001694.aspx#3003763

Running my 3600X (which I got to gain experience with the Ryzen 3000 series CPUs) I had no problems to speak of on the X470 Board. It was running 1.0.0.3 ABBA BIOS.

When I got the X570 board I flashed the backup BIOS to 1.0.0.3 ABBA (F5b) and the main BIOS to 1.0.0.4 B (F10A)

On the newest BIOS I have had nothing but grief trying to configure the BIOS, even something as innocuous as setting the XMP profile causes the board to go nuts.

I switched over to the secondary BIOS with 1.0.0.3 ABBA BIOS and have no problems with the RAM whatsoever.

The RAM I have is four DIMMS of Team Group Edition TDPGD416G3600HC16ADC01 3600 16-16-16-36 and had absolutely no issues with it - even overclocking it to 3733 16-16-16-32 - on the X470 board.

I looked at the GigaByte site and found others who seem to have problems since "upgrading" their BIOS to the new 1.0.0.4 B version and I have to agree with those who say it is borked.

Whenever I set the XMP profile of the RAM on 1.0.0.4 B, the board goes into a round of what I assume is RAM training when it reboots and at some point just hangs, BIOS error 22 is displayed quite often, but not always.

The problem is that I will be getting the 3950X CPU when it comes out at the end of this month and a pre-requisite for running this CPU according to AMD is the BIOS version 1.0.0.4 B.

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    Re: AGESA 1.0.0.4 B BIOS "upgrade" borked 2019/11/08 09:54:22 (permalink)
    Wow I thought Asus was the only one with issues on the new Agesa patch.  I wonder if there's something up with the Agesa code from AMD and it's not just other stuff from the board vendor causing issues then.  I had to go manually set some VDDG and VDDP voltages because I was getting a hang on reboot that indicated an infinity fabric problem.  Something that wasn't an issue for me on the previous BIOS's on my Asus board.  Someone in the Asus X570 thread on OC.net mentioned it seems like the new BIOS was setting potentially improper voltages (too high or low) when set to Auto on the new version.  I wonder if your problem is essentially the same thing?

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    Re: AGESA 1.0.0.4 B BIOS "upgrade" borked 2019/11/08 10:11:36 (permalink)
    You can set whatever you want, and it may appear to work, until you try using the system.

    Then all kinds of weird and wonderful things happen - like the M.2 boot drive no longer being recognised, to the Windows File Explorer crashing - after which a reboot will reset the BIOS, but of course not the changes made in the AMD portions of the BIOS which, even when you set them back to default will still cause three beeps on reboot (RAM error) unless you run your RAM at the default 2400.

    Setting anything in Ryzen Master will also cause the board to crap itself in 1.0.0.4 B
     
    I have been experimenting with it for two days and considering I have no problems whatsoever with 1.0.0.3 ABBA and also the fact that I have a clean installation of Windows 10 Enterprise with no additional stuff installed, I can most certainly say that 1.0.0.4 B is FUBAR.
     
    The thing is that AMD supplies the AGESA as a "black box" binary and not as a source-code to the motherboard manufacturers so there is very little they can do to correct errors coming from AMD.

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    Re: AGESA 1.0.0.4 B BIOS "upgrade" borked 2019/11/08 10:41:28 (permalink)
    Wow, I am kinda shocked. I have the younger brother board  - Giga X570 Elite and have the F10a BIOS installed on the 2nd day and have had zero issues with it .
     
    I initially had memory problems with timings not sticking using all the Beta Bios's , but also found out that it was a security issue with Gigabytes RGB Fusion color software that would override the memory settings every reboot.
     So I had to UN-install Fusion to keep my memory working at proper speeds.
     
    -But with the new F10A Bios , I can use Fusion RGB schemes & keep the memory settings timings intact .
     
    I would assume, without doing any research on it, that the issue lies with filling all four ram slots.
      and/ or the the memory brand type. ?  
     
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    Re: AGESA 1.0.0.4 B BIOS "upgrade" borked 2019/11/08 10:44:39 (permalink)
    I would also reset BIOS to default  ,then install these chipset drivers ,restart &  then re-install the F10A Bios upgrade using the Qflash
     
    https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/x570
     
     
    Just as a preemptive step anyways ...
     
    post edited by aka_STEVE_b - 2019/11/08 11:12:18

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    Re: AGESA 1.0.0.4 B BIOS "upgrade" borked 2019/11/08 12:18:00 (permalink)
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    Wow, I am kinda shocked. I have the younger brother board  - Giga X570 Elite and have the F10a BIOS installed on the 2nd day and have had zero issues with it .
     
    I initially had memory problems with timings not sticking using all the Beta Bios's , but also found out that it was a security issue with Gigabytes RGB Fusion color software that would override the memory settings every reboot.
     So I had to UN-install Fusion to keep my memory working at proper speeds.
     
    -But with the new F10A Bios , I can use Fusion RGB schemes & keep the memory settings timings intact .
     
    I would assume, without doing any research on it, that the issue lies with filling all four ram slots.
      and/ or the the memory brand type. ?  
     
    You might find some help on this site - https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-amd-motherboards/1728360-gigabyte-x570-aorus-owners-thread.html#post28023210
     
     
     


    The RAM I have is so compatible with Ryzen, that when I got the X470 board it didn't have a flashback on it, to make it compatible with the Ryzen 3000 series.

    So I got a first gen Ryzen 1200 CPU, bunged it in and just for fun I decided to activate the XMP profile, and to my surprise, the RAM worked flawlessly at 3600 with that CPU.

    So the RAM is more certainly NOT the issue.

    It is highest quality Samsung B-die RAM.

    One thing that I am uncertain of is whether or not the issue with the AGESA 1.0.0.4 B only affects single core chiplets, because my friend has applied it to his ASUS Crosshair VIII Hero mobo running a two chiplet 3900X.

    It also seems to be RAM speed dependant and I think the cutoff is 3200 RAM, but I have not experimented with that - I might go back and downclock my 3600 RAM to 3200 to find out - but the latest AGESA is most certainly FUBAR as far as many systems are concerned, and once again AMD screws people over with their updates.

    The thing is that AGESA is supplied to the motherboard manufacturers as a binary, and not as a source, so the motherboard manufacturers have very little in what they can do to mitigate the errors.


    post edited by Nec_V20 - 2019/11/08 12:23:33

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    Re: AGESA 1.0.0.4 B BIOS "upgrade" borked 2019/11/08 17:29:19 (permalink)
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    I would also reset BIOS to default  ,then install these chipset drivers ,restart &  then re-install the F10A Bios upgrade using the Qflash
     
    https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/x570
     
     
    Just as a preemptive step anyways ...
     


    I've only been a computer techie for 37 years, that just never occurred to me, how could I be such a n00b.



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    Re: AGESA 1.0.0.4 B BIOS "upgrade" borked 2019/11/09 02:16:35 (permalink)
    The 1.0.0.4B is so bad that there are rumours that AMD collaborated with Rockstar Games in the creation of their latest AGESA version

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    Re: AGESA 1.0.0.4 B BIOS "upgrade" borked 2019/11/09 12:10:39 (permalink)
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    The 1.0.0.4B is so bad that there are rumours that AMD collaborated with Rockstar Games in the creation of their latest AGESA version


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    Re: AGESA 1.0.0.4 B BIOS "upgrade" borked 2019/11/09 12:39:17 (permalink)
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    The 1.0.0.4B is so bad that there are rumours that AMD collaborated with Rockstar Games in the creation of their latest AGESA version




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    Re: AGESA 1.0.0.4 B BIOS "upgrade" borked 2019/11/10 00:05:27 (permalink)
    Further investigation (I don't get free stuff from AMD) has led me to surmise, that the problem I have experienced with my one chiplet 3600X (and my friend letting me use TeamViewer to manipulate his 3900X) is that the problem only affects one chiplet CPUs.

    Further it appears that the problems are RAM related. Namely setting the RAM speed to 3200 (or in Ryzen Master MCLK and FCLK to 1600) results in the system booting normally, but the totally clean installation of Windows10 Enterprise (1903) I have still reacts incredibly sluggishly and File Explorer has great difficulty accessing my M.2 Storage but at least doesn't crash it as it did with the RAM set to the XMP profile of 3600.
     
    It takes around three minutes for CineBench R20 to load although the results of running the benchmark are in accordance with the RAM speed I have set.

    The one and only time my 3600X system runs as it should with AGESA 1.0.0.4 B is at the stock RAM speed of 2400 MHz.

    Working via TeamViewer with my friend's computer shows no problems with the RAM set to 3600 and the system behaves as it should and I cannot find any obvious problems and he has not reported any to me since applying AGESA 1.0.0.4 B

    Addendum:

    I spoke too soon, even at everything set to Default in the BIOS (RAM 2400), the File Explorer still reacts sluggishly, CineBench R20 will load, but crashes when trying to run a benchmark although CineBench R15 when it loads will run the benchmarks, although the results are totally rubbish compared to what I get when switching back to AGESA 1.0.0.3 ABBA and optimising my system.
    post edited by Nec_V20 - 2019/11/10 04:03:18

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