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2020/11/10 14:32:04 (permalink)
 
Jacob posted a benchmark of Valhalla on the 3090 at 1440p, Ultra.   76fps.   I had to double look to see that I misread and that he wasn't talking about the 3070
 
Ubisoft's legendary optimisations continue I see. lol don't go changing, Ubi.
 
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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/11 10:05:41 (permalink)
    Lol ubisoft. Still waiting on them to fix 5.1 surround with realtek after 20 years.

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/11 11:55:27 (permalink)
    Yep, it needs a tad of optimizing -  with my rig, I am getting an average of 56 fps, maxed settings all Ultra at 1440p
     
    which is weird because I am assuming the engine is the same as AC:Origins  & Odyssey ? ... which both run better than this .

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/11 12:14:36 (permalink)
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    Yep, it needs a tad of optimizing -  with my rig, I am getting an average of 56 fps, maxed settings all Ultra at 1440p
     
    which is weird because I am assuming the engine is the same as AC:Origins  & Odyssey ? ... which both run better than this .




    I like to sarcastically refer to Valhalla as "The second standalone expansion for Origins." 
     
    Anyways I was wondering if you had a minute could you do me a favour?  Could you please run the benchmark again but with AA disabled? Would appreciate it much.
     

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/11 12:16:44 (permalink)
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    Yep, it needs a tad of optimizing -  with my rig, I am getting an average of 56 fps, maxed settings all Ultra at 1440p
     
    which is weird because I am assuming the engine is the same as AC:Origins  & Odyssey ? ... which both run better than this .




    Also are you using 457.30? It claims "optimal day-1 support for Assassin's Creed Valhalla"

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/11 16:03:05 (permalink)
    One word.
     
    Ubisoft.
     
    I don't think they've released a single game that was optimized on release to actually run well on anything, ever, in the history of games, since Far Cry 1. lol
     
    Perfect example, Watch Dogs (1) had serious issues on launch, some of them took over a week to fix, and some of them still exist.  Watch Dogs Legion had "optimization issues" which they "day 1 patched" and made worse by introducing horrible frame-time lag... I haven't checked to see if that was "fixed" in the more recent patch.
     
    I make it a habit to never pay for Ubisoft games on launch now after my experience with WD1, I give them a wide birth for at least a month unless they're "free" like Legion was with my GPU, specifically because Ubisoft takes forever to get things right.
     
    Not saying other game makers are better, most of them release "mostly done" products now for us early adopters to "beta test" after paying $60 for it and they "get it patched" over the next 4-8 weeks following release.  Sad but true. 
     
    I get that they have multiple platforms to test for, and testing all computer configurations isn't really possible, but it really does seem like the majority of game studios test things on like, 2 configurations, then say it's "good" until all the issues start rolling in because literally thousands of combinations just on modern hardware exist on PCs.

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/11 16:15:57 (permalink)
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    One word.
     
    Ubisoft.
     
    I don't think they've released a single game that was optimized on release to actually run well on anything, ever, in the history of games, since Far Cry 1. lol
     
    Perfect example, Watch Dogs (1) had serious issues on launch, some of them took over a week to fix, and some of them still exist.  Watch Dogs Legion had "optimization issues" which they "day 1 patched" and made worse by introducing horrible frame-time lag... I haven't checked to see if that was "fixed" in the more recent patch.
     
    I make it a habit to never pay for Ubisoft games on launch now after my experience with WD1, I give them a wide birth for at least a month unless they're "free" like Legion was with my GPU, specifically because Ubisoft takes forever to get things right.
     
    Not saying other game makers are better, most of them release "mostly done" products now for us early adopters to "beta test" after paying $60 for it and they "get it patched" over the next 4-8 weeks following release.  Sad but true. 
     
    I get that they have multiple platforms to test for, and testing all computer configurations isn't really possible, but it really does seem like the majority of game studios test things on like, 2 configurations, then say it's "good" until all the issues start rolling in because literally thousands of combinations just on modern hardware exist on PCs.




    Far Cry 1 was developed by Crytek but your point is taken and I agree.  I can't remember a single Ubisoft release where it performed well even after months of patches. I booted up Heroes of Might and magic VII a couple weeks back, a 5 year old isometric view strategy game and it still struggled on max settings (no aa) at 1440p
     
    I'm not surprised about Valhalla, was just hoping something might have changed in their optimisation but I guess not
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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/11 17:01:36 (permalink)
    I have both Watchdogs Legion and AC Valhalla, and they don't run very well on my system at 3840x1600 with everything maxed out. Common denominator? Ubisoft titles. That said, Im seeing over 60FPS in game, so its not the end of the world, however you'd think with a $1700 GPU, it would be a bit better. On the plus side I'm seeing 300+ FPS in DOOM Eternal  
     
    Also the in-game benchmarks in both AC:V and WDL are garbage and not indicative of in-game performance. Especially in WDL, I see 15-20 FPS LESS in game than I do in the benchmark. AC does, however, have a very nifty feature in the options menu while you're playing, which gives real time stats on performance over the past 30 seconds of gameplay.      

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/11 17:25:38 (permalink)
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     On the plus side I'm seeing 300+ FPS in DOOM Eternal  
     



    Crikey...
     
    Maybe ID software should run classes to teach other dev teams how to optimise 

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/11 17:39:45 (permalink)
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    Crikey...
     
    Maybe ID software should run classes to teach other dev teams how to optimise 


    It's likely the best optimized game I've ever owned.

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/12 20:37:25 (permalink)
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    Crikey...
     
    Maybe ID software should run classes to teach other dev teams how to optimise 


    It's likely the best optimized game I've ever owned.



    They've been around forever.  Though I wonder if any of the original team are still around?

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/13 06:08:39 (permalink)
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    Yep, it needs a tad of optimizing -  with my rig, I am getting an average of 56 fps, maxed settings all Ultra at 1440p

    Anyways I was wondering if you had a minute could you do me a favour?  Could you please run the benchmark again but with AA disabled? Would appreciate it much.
     



    I was too busy playing too see this message... 
    I will try to do this tonight & post back results.  
    ...and after reading the Nvidia forums I chose to NOT use the new 457.30  optimized drivers . people are posting in there, that it tanked the frame rates even more than before...
     
    ** side note ** I have noticed that after about  1 -1/2 hrs  the game must have some type of memory leak or something  because it severely starts stuttering real bad.  If I quit the game and immediately restart , it is fine for another hour or so again .  So Ubi has some optimizing to do ...
     
    ...but it is still extremely fun to play. The time just passes by so fast, I feel like I've barely got any raiding done and I've been playing for 4-5 hrs straight .

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/13 13:03:28 (permalink)
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    Anyways I was wondering if you had a minute could you do me a favour?  Could you please run the benchmark again but with AA disabled? Would appreciate it much.



     

     
    So my 2080 Super doesn't do much worse than the new 3090 ..??  ..which tells you it is an optimizing issue in the game code .
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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/13 13:30:09 (permalink)
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    I was too busy playing too see this message... 
    I will try to do this tonight & post back results.  
    ...and after reading the Nvidia forums I chose to NOT use the new 457.30  optimized drivers . people are posting in there, that it tanked the frame rates even more than before...
     
    ** side note ** I have noticed that after about  1 -1/2 hrs  the game must have some type of memory leak or something  because it severely starts stuttering real bad.  If I quit the game and immediately restart , it is fine for another hour or so again .  So Ubi has some optimizing to do ...
     
    ...but it is still extremely fun to play. The time just passes by so fast, I feel like I've barely got any raiding done and I've been playing for 4-5 hrs straight .




    Hehe good news on the fun part.  Does it feel different to Origins/Odyssey? They felt like the exact same game to me just reskinned.    So just AA alone gained about 10fps.
     
    Is it possible the game is using more video ram than the card has?

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/13 17:44:06 (permalink)
    Game feels pretty close to Origins & Odyssey  , except the raven bird to recon areas is about completely useless now... you can't highlight worth a crud anymore - so basically very hard to play stealthy.
     
    * I tried a few ways to get my benchmark picture to show above  - it should show 65 FPS average
    I noticed the cpu usage is low, needs some optimizations still , for sure.

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/13 20:42:16 (permalink)
     
    Thanks for doing that.   I remember with Odyssey I got a massive FPS increase without AA, Shadows to second highest, clouds to low and Ambient Occlusion to medium.

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/14 00:46:17 (permalink)
     
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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/14 02:56:37 (permalink)
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    Crikey...

    Maybe ID software should run classes to teach other dev teams how to optimise 


    It's likely the best optimized game I've ever owned.



    They've been around forever.  Though I wonder if any of the original team are still around?




    Kind of I guess? I heard Ramero is still kind of working for them but it seems he was doing a new expansion for DOOM II. John Carmack was forced out and that really was the original id team. Of course they did hire more but those are the two who started it originally so maybe some of the 90's staff is still around.

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/14 16:42:55 (permalink)
    Are you guys enjoying this game and is it running a little smoother since release?
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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/14 18:25:39 (permalink)
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    Good call. I honestly thought that's where I posted lol
     

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/14 18:26:52 (permalink)
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    Kind of I guess? I heard Ramero is still kind of working for them but it seems he was doing a new expansion for DOOM II. John Carmack was forced out and that really was the original id team. Of course they did hire more but those are the two who started it originally so maybe some of the 90's staff is still around.




    I'll have to go read up about Carmack.  It seems to be a common trend in the tech world or game development house, the one who starts it always ends up getting it taken away from them.
     
    Doom 2? An expansion to the original 90s game?

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/19 08:43:33 (permalink)
    Ubisoft...lol
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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/19 11:51:47 (permalink)
    game optimization, I wouldnt blame your hardware just yet. 
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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/19 20:05:26 (permalink)
    Seems rather low. Hopefully Ubi will stop being.... well, Ubisoft and actually optimize the game further down the line.
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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/27 13:08:06 (permalink)
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    Seems rather low. Hopefully Ubi will stop being.... well, Ubisoft and actually optimize the game further down the line.




    Sadly it never happened with Origins or Odyssey.   They still are just average in benchmarks today. Playable but average.  Valhalla has sunk to an even deeper level of lack of optimisation.  I hope I'm wrong and they finally do some serious deep code optimisation with it.

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/27 14:28:18 (permalink)
    It's honestly probably not an optimization issue. Probably just the difference between a hyper controlled linear shooter (Doom) vs an open world game like AC.

    A lot more going on in games like Destiny, AC, Watch Dogs, GTA, red dead, Black Desert, ESO, etc, than there is in games like CoD death match and Doom eternal.
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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/27 20:35:50 (permalink)
    Ugh 1440p.  Here I was hoping to run this at 4k.  I can only imagine what that's going to be like now.
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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/28 01:06:10 (permalink)
    Gallus85
    It's honestly probably not an optimization issue. Probably just the difference between a hyper controlled linear shooter (Doom) vs an open world game like AC.

    A lot more going on in games like Destiny, AC, Watch Dogs, GTA, red dead, Black Desert, ESO, etc, than there is in games like CoD death match and Doom eternal.



    Then let's compare it to a similar open world game with lots going on.  Horizon Zero Dawn, a game that in my opinion is visually superior to AC:Valhalla.  113 fps average at 1440 on a 3090.   Almost %50 faster.    I'm going with hideously bad optimisation.

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/28 08:35:20 (permalink)
    Yes, it just got a 4.xx gig patch that fixed alot -- but there is still plenty of optimizations needed in Valhalla.
     
    Despite the performance, it is still great fun.

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    Re: AC Valhalla only 76fps at 1440p on 3090? 2020/11/28 14:49:15 (permalink)
    aka_STEVE_b
    Yes, it just got a 4.xx gig patch that fixed alot -- but there is still plenty of optimizations needed in Valhalla.
     
    Despite the performance, it is still great fun.




    Oh really?? Be so kind as to post another Benchmark post the huge patch? With and without AA?

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