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2019/05/22 12:30:22 (permalink)
Something is causing my system to become unstable. I am also getting freezes and instability in the bios and in Windows causing problems bench marking and general usability. I think the internal clocks are changing as the system starts to corrupt or vice versa. After a reflash and fresh install things are mostly OK except memory stability. Once I overclock, things start to change. The bios starts to freeze a little and no lower memory clocks are accepted other than what I have set which is XMP +400MHz 17-17-17-37-360 from 700. Little by little running benches amd restarting it slowly starts to act up. USB drivers start to crash, USB connect/disconnect sounds during 3DMark, slightly slower start ups, unstable bios screen, and just a general quirky system.
 
Increased issues with restarts, PX1, Classified Tool, and 3DMark. When I start crashing and restarting the NVidia drivers, the system starts to progress . The system starts showing signs that the internal clocks are changing when using Port Royale and 3DMark. I believe Port Royale and TSPY read something wrong with my system and clocks and either do not allow me to run, load, crash immediately, or give me scores that are much lower and inconsistent than what this system generally scores when stable. At some point the system gets to a point where not even default Bios, CT and PX1 setting  will allow for a full run in 3DMark. CPU clocks then start to fluctuate set to override 25% . Then the Vcore gets stuck at unknown voltage and temps rise. System will then crash even with default setting in bios. Reflash bios and re-install Win all back to OK minus memory issues.
 
The only change Ive made is swap out the 86K to the 99KF. Everything was great and running smooth as silk since the 1.05 bios with that processor. I have swapped memory, KPE cards, CPU coolers, and power supplies with same results. Switched 1809 to 1709 w and w/out updates and back.  Nvidia 125.31 to 130.xx and back with DDU.  
 
PX1, Classified Tool, HWInfo, HWMonitor, Performance Test , SuperPi, MeMTest, Cinabench,  on Win 1809 Updated, Latest Chipset, I/O, NVidia 125.31
 
 
Z390 Dark
9900KF   5.2-5.4
G.Skill Royal 4000-17-17-17-37  XMP 4400   360
2080 KPE
Alphacool Eisbarer Extreme
1600axi
 
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 12:34:40 (permalink)
    If you right click on an item and click Copy (Or CTRL-C) do you see an explorer.exe error.

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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 12:49:15 (permalink)
            What kind of item?
     
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 12:56:15 (permalink)
    #1 Update to bios 1.06.
    #2 Load optimized defaults inside the bios. Save and exit the bios, and then reload into it to make memory changes.
    #3 Do not overclock cpu. This is not optional as you need to establish a baseline first.
    #4 Do not set memory higher than 2666 MHz. Make sure you set the correct voltages and timings for the ram. This is not optional as you need to establish a baseline first.
    #5 See how the system runs at the above settings. If everything works fine try some overclocking.
     
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 13:00:03 (permalink)
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            What kind of item?

    I file a folder a shortcut it makes no difference.
    All my 1809 rigs do this even a Fresh Installed one and two upgraded ones.
    (I do a copy to crash before I use the computers now)
    Not seeing this on any older versions of Windows 10.
    I just did a Feature update of my last 2 1709 to 1803 and not seeing any issue at all.
     
    Under 1809 Driver 430.64 is now causing NVIDIA Graphics Security Errors running Time Spy (Current Version)
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 13:15:33 (permalink)
    Not seeing any Explorer errors...I do see many warnings and errors though...I'm going to look and see what errors happened yesterday with 140.34
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 13:16:57 (permalink)
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    Not seeing any Explorer errors...I do see many warnings and errors though...I'm going to look and see what errors happened yesterday with 140.34


    Just the desktop flashes.
    Do you mean 340.34
     
    Also I am going back to PX1 0.3.16.0 because of computer lock ups with 0.3.17.0

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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 13:28:21 (permalink)
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    #1 Update to bios 1.06.
    #2 Load optimized defaults inside the bios. Save and exit the bios, and then reload into it to make memory changes.
    #3 Do not overclock cpu. This is not optional as you need to establish a baseline first.
    #4 Do not set memory higher than 2666 MHz. Make sure you set the correct voltages and timings for the ram. This is not optional as you need to establish a baseline first.
    #5 See how the system runs at the above settings. If everything works fine try some overclocking.
     


    I have been running 1.06 since it was available. I had no problems at all with 1.06 and the 8086 overclocked.
    Everything works fine with default setting plus XMP. I could not wait long enough to see if problems start longer than 2-3 hours. I also was not restarting or benching or anything. It seems fine at default and XMP. It's when I overclock , that it starts to get stubborn. The whole process takes a couple days to become fully unstable.
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 13:32:14 (permalink)
     
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    Not seeing any Explorer errors...I do see many warnings and errors though...I'm going to look and see what errors happened yesterday with 140.34


    Just the desktop flashes.
    Do you mean 340.34
     
    Also I am going back to PX1 0.3.16.0 because of computer lock ups with 0.3.17.0


    Yes, sorry, so many driver numbers lately
     
    I am on 0.3.17.0 because I thought it may help. 3DMark and PX1 and NVidia hard crashes are aplenty.
     
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 14:43:09 (permalink)
    I do close PX1 before I run any 3DMark Benchmarks.

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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 15:25:51 (permalink)
    wwxww, Is 5.3/5.4 stable at XMP?
     
    Using 99kf, dark, trident 3200c14 32GB.  Not too impressed with 9th gen series.  Everything is stable at stock, but can only hit 5.2 stable.  5.3 BSOD on TS, but runs prime, aida, powermax, although AVX is set to 3.  Will try reverting to 0.3.16.0.  I close everything except CT and disable NIC.  General gaming is better, but benching this 9th gen cpu combo is new to me.  Been 5 days on this board so still learning.  So far, 5960 benches better than 9900KF.  Makes me regret not going 9900x for better overall daily.
     
    Has anyone have good experiences OC'ing FSB on dark or a z390?  Running case closed and conservative fan curves.  Looking at custom dual rad loops, but unsure about HC.  Not sure if this will help my 99kf in the short term.

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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 15:51:23 (permalink)
    I don't but will now. PX1 is takes effort and commitment to run the KP at max. 
     
    I have been running all day with my 5.4 4400 map with out issue. I have only run may be 5 runs of FS Extreme without a system failure. Event Viewer shows no critical errors today. There are 20 since Sunday's reinstall. 6 DriverFrameWork and 14 Power.   3310 errors total 276 past 24hrs, most all are
    Nvidia, but have all kinds. Nothing significant today.     Warnings 3276, 242 last 24hrs, few today. Nothing significant today. In the last hr 0 Critical and 0 Warning and 0 errors.
     
    The differences from today and previous two days are I have not been benching, using machine like a PC, and I installed latest Intel Chipset driver late last night.
     
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 16:09:58 (permalink)
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    wwxww, Is 5.3/5.4 stable at XMP?
     
    Using 99kf, dark, trident 3200c14 32GB.  Not too impressed with 9th gen series.  Everything is stable at stock, but can only hit 5.2 stable.  5.3 BSOD on TS, but runs prime, aida, powermax, although AVX is set to 3.  Will try reverting to 0.3.16.0.  I close everything except CT and disable NIC.  General gaming is better, but benching this 9th gen cpu combo is new to me.  Been 5 days on this board so still learning.  So far, 5960 benches better than 9900KF.  Makes me regret not going 9900x for better overall daily.
     
    Has anyone have good experiences OC'ing FSB on dark or a z390?  Running case closed and conservative fan curves.  Looking at custom dual rad loops, but unsure about HC.  Not sure if this will help my 99kf in the short term.


    Some have tried but It is not like other motherboards IDT. I tried and ended up crashing a lot and not getting anywhere. It changes a couple other values adjusting FSB.
     
     I am stable at 5.3 1.36v 0 AVX 4400-17. At 5.4 I am mostly stable. I couldn't pass Prime for sure at the voltage I have to run at to keep temps down. 0 AVX offset. I can run it at 5.5 but with failure on Cinebench and high temps. Not really impressed with my Physics scores but Single Thread is crazy good. Others running the 99K at 5.4 kill this one.
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/22 16:41:35 (permalink)
    I thought the dark/99k with >5GHz would be a lot better than my 5960 w/OC'd FSB.  Better cooling probably would help.  My temps are in the high 70s, low 80s at 5.2.  5.3 reaches high 80s, low 90s.  No thermal throttling on Aida.  Since this is my daily and I only bench for fun, not going to get OCD.  To get conservative 5.1-5.2 OC is pretty easy on this board.  I miss 40 PCI lanes.  Very limiting with 2 M.2 sticks, but this board was made for extremes, not intended for versatile workstation.

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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/29 13:25:24 (permalink)
    Clear improvements after installing latest Chipset driver.
    This system is starting to act up, again.  Desktop items have disappeared. I am unable to load some programs. Items have disappeared and if I try to open open after reinstall, I get an error telling me unable to open, try reinstalling. Cpu-z, Cinebench, SuperPi, Classified Tool, and Aida also disappeared from the desktop. Unable to open pictures. I get an error asking to reinstall. Memory tests slowed by 2-3 ms. Even loading a saved profile in the bios gives me lower scores. 
     
    Do I do another reflash-reinstall? Is my over clock adding to this?
     
    Board was at default setting when some of these things started to happen. I can only run it like that for so long before back to benching.
     
     
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/29 14:24:44 (permalink)
    Does the system run stable at default for everything and w/mem at XMP?  I have almost the exact setup, but using trident 3200C14 2x16GB.  I was experiencing weird issues when I tried to lower mem timing.  Kept it at conservative at 3200C13 and 5.2.  Royals dropped in price, but think I'll wait for new HEDT and make this my dedicated VR system later.  My EK 360 w/anemic DDC3.1 is holding up, but looking at custom loop.  How's your cooling?

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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/29 15:08:56 (permalink)
    Hey bud...This board is wacky for sure...memory is not predictable at all. Nothing makes any sense when it comes to over clocking memory. Yes, everything is fine at default with XMP after I have re-flashed and reinstalled OS. But I would only use it for stuff like interneting like that. If I'm manually setting up memory, I can get no where in an hour. The only way for me to over clock memory and lower more than just clock to 4200 and lower Trfc to 360, is to set to xmp and then manually lower timings. After that, I use BLK and voltage increase to raise mem clock. Problem is that I can not get the clock that I am after. If I set BLK to 103 with memory 4200, it will not post. But it will allow me to set mem at 4400 with blk 105, even though I don't want to run at 4600+. I can not then just lower blk or mem clock by 100 or it will not post. I literately have to find a certain blk this board likes. Since the KF, I have to run lower slower mem or really fast and high mem. 
    The royals are so nice. I saw a pair for 2xx for the 4000-17. They have a collectors edition with a box of four. Two boxes would be a lot for that HEDT.
    I gotta say...this cooler is cooling much better than I expected. It does get heat soaked but not so quick during benches. For everyday use this things is nice. Quiet and keeps this 9900 below 58 at 5.2. Idles in the 20's no matter the clock.
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/29 17:01:55 (permalink)
    Things are getting worse quickly. If I start task manager it closes itself within a second. The fan on the graphics card will not run. During benchmarks the system will just restart itself showing no indication of a problem. Help?
     
     
    edit: Again, none of these problems existed before the CPU swap.
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/05/30 13:11:23 (permalink)
    Did you try lummi's b-die config on bios 1.06? works fine on 1.03 as well
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj_ZAecVuSc&t=53m30s
     
    Should work very well with your kit
     
     

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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/06/01 10:57:11 (permalink)
    I'll give a shot, thanks. I re-flashed and reinstalled, again. This is getting old.
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    Re: 9900KF and Z390 Dark Motherboard/Bios corrupting Instability in Win 10 and 3DMark 2019/06/01 11:50:10 (permalink)
    you might try another kit as well just to rule out issues.

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