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2018/03/01 08:10:49 (permalink)
So I got this card from a giveaway which is a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition (amazing i got it, so thankful to have it), however temps have been somewhat alarming when running some tests.
 
With the fans at 85-90% fan speed and stock clocks besides increasing the power and temperature limits to their max, the GPU goes up to around 85C (max i saw it spike to was 88C) during 4k-8k gaming/testing.
 
Is this ok for the card to run at? If so I might keep the card, if not, I'm just gona sell it and then wait to buy a future gen geforce card (preferably from EVGA, every card i buy from you guys hasn't let me down ever).

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 08:20:34 (permalink)
From my point of view 85 to 88C is fine while gaming.
 
My GTX 1080 did about the same....had to sell for other reasons..but it was fine for the time I had it (since release, really)

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 08:20:48 (permalink)
It hasn't reached the max limit at that temp, but not far from it.  I wouldn't run my GPU that hot (65C max is my pref).  Since you're running the GPU fans that high and still seeing 85C+ temps, I would look at airflow in general in your case and specifically around your GPU.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 08:38:04 (permalink)
It's a phanteks Evolv ATX Tempered Glass case. I even took the entire front panel off to allow maximum airflow and temps didn't change.
 
Two 140mms are intake, and 1 140mm as exhaust + 240mm radiator as exhaust.
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 09:48:41 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby hbzk100 2018/03/20 09:50:08
Since no improvement on temp with the case open, you could try applying new thermal paste.  I don't know how that brand/model is at cooling, but my 1080 has never run over 65C (mostly ~60C) with 75% fan speed.  That's while gaming or benchmarking.
 
I guess at this point it's up to you.  Like you said, you could sell it.  Or since you got it free, run it until you're ready to buy something else.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 09:54:43 (permalink)
At that temp. it's thermal throttling (won't hurt anything, but undesirable)..I would put fresh TIM on the GPU as suggested above and roll from there..Something decent like MX-4..Easy and cheap to do.

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 12:03:51 (permalink)
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At that temp. it's thermal throttling (won't hurt anything, but undesirable)..I would put fresh TIM on the GPU as suggested above and roll from there..Something decent like MX-4..Easy and cheap to do.


I agree, it's time to put on some new thermal paste. True thermal throttling starts at just above 94c on the gtx 1080. One of the main dynamic adjustment points are at 83c on the gtx 1080. Dynamic adjustment isn't true thermal throttling.
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 12:31:52 (permalink)
That Zotac has a dual fan cooling system and in my opinion it shouldn't be that high. That temp is what I expect from a Founder's Edition GTX 1080 (Native NVIDIA reference). Make sure BOTH fans are rotating.
 
Take your side cover off and use a common house fan (or borrow one). Let it blow cool air directly into the chassis and monitor the temps.

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 12:55:03 (permalink)
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So I got this card from a giveaway which is a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition (amazing i got it, so thankful to have it), however temps have been somewhat alarming when running some tests.
 
With the fans at 85-90% fan speed and stock clocks besides increasing the power and temperature limits to their max, the GPU goes up to around 85C (max i saw it spike to was 88C) during 4k-8k gaming/testing.
 
Is this ok for the card to run at? If so I might keep the card, if not, I'm just gona sell it and then wait to buy a future gen geforce card (preferably from EVGA, every card i buy from you guys hasn't let me down ever).




Something is wrong. Is your computer in an oven? You obviously have major case air flow problems. When the card gets close to 60c the boost clocks start lowering. You want the card as cool as possible to max out the boost overclocking. I don't even go above 65c with my gtx 1060 and that is only at half fan speed. 
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 13:03:47 (permalink)
Ok, BEFORE I change the thermal compound, do you think this would be the culprit? I've been running more tests with the power limit at 100% and it seems like the temps stay below 83C now.
 
I just found out that the power limit is way higher than any other card on the market. Would that be the cause of higher temps? If so, that makes perfects sense that it is the power not the cooler.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/...0_amp_overheating_fix/

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 13:10:19 (permalink)
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Ok, BEFORE I change the thermal compound, do you think this would be the culprit? I've been running more tests with the power limit at 100% and it seems like the temps stay below 83C now.
 
I just found out that the power limit is way higher than any other card on the market. Would that be the cause of higher temps? If so, that makes perfects sense that it is the power not the cooler.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/...0_amp_overheating_fix/


Definitely possible if the cooler can't handle the extra heat.
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 13:16:17 (permalink)
Ok. Going to test superposition at 5k resolution and see what the temps are with the power limit at 100%.

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 13:31:32 (permalink)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hrOdsmqHOh4OtCdMwAUHj9Sv7rYZTl3l/view?usp=sharing
 
82C still.
 
I think I'm just gona sell this card and get a 2070 or whatever comes later, cause I've seen a lot of people say with this card that changing the thermal paste only brings the temps down by around 4C.
 
Sorry to bother you guys, I just want every single opinion before i go and sell this thing. I would of never thought that you could make an aftermarket non blower style card worse than the FE models. At least with the FE models the power draw is way less cause the power limit is way less, and thus, you get way lower temps when increasing the fan speed manually.
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 13:50:25 (permalink)
I had an MSI Armor 1080 and it would regularly hit 86c while gaming. It had the chinziest dual fan cooler I'd ever seen on a modern. The only copper was a thin layer as the GPU contact, the rest was a meager amount of aluminum.
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 14:34:19 (permalink)
If you wanted to keep the card awhile, but prefer lower temps, you could set the temp limit/target to something lower (say 70C) and see how it performs when it clocks down at that temp.
 
Otherwise, you're right, time to dump it...


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/01 16:48:51 (permalink)
Ok I've made up my mind. I'm going to get a https://www.nzxt.com/products/kraken-g12-black 
 
And a 240mm rad probably. We'll see.

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/02 09:34:56 (permalink)
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Ok I've made up my mind. I'm going to get a https://www.nzxt.com/products/kraken-g12-black 
 
And a 240mm rad probably. We'll see.


That should keep it cool...


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/02 10:28:05 (permalink)
85%-90% fan speed and still seeing mid 80's? something has to be wrong. I'd expect those temps in an SLI setup, but even then! 90% fan speed should more than keep a single 1080 below 80C you would think. Just as reference, even though they re not the same card(s) my 980 Ti's which should be running warmer then a single 1080 any day, never really get above 74C during heavy loads, in my 22C office at about 70% fan speed.
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/02 16:01:58 (permalink)
Yeah it's a bit crazy. It's gota be that 370W TDP when on max power limit which is 100W more than even the MSI twin frozer i think.
 
Gona get that kraken and X42/X52 ($5 difference haven't made up my mind) soon.

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/16 09:46:53 (permalink)
So I got to report back, probably the worst of the worst happened to me. I think either me or the G12 semi damaged my card.
 
So, i put on the g12 bracket and x52 last week, well starting a few days after that, i started getting pretty big microstutters whenever i use DSR or 8xMSAA. I tried loosening the bracket, increasing fan RPMs etc etc. but i would still get these microstutters.

Now i have the stock cooler back on and i still am getting these microstutters, but it's only under extremely weird behaviour: Microstuttering only happens with 5k DSR or 8xMSAA on, on fullscreen mode. I'm so confused.
 
I should also point out, that the microstutters were way worse with the g12 bracket installed. Now with the stock cooler back on, the microstutters, while still there, are far less frequent.
 
So I have no idea whether it's a hardware bug or a driver bug or both.

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/16 12:04:33 (permalink)
Trying to run 5K or even 8xmsaa would be a challenge for most GPU's out today.  What are your CPU core usages when you're seeing these microstutters?


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/16 13:36:38 (permalink)
Not that high probably 30% CPU usage since i have a 1700X.
 
But these are for games that aren't that demanding, not more demanding than portal 2 (oh and FYI it happens in that game too sometimes).
 
But, i've also found it only happens in full screen mode. These microstutters happen a couple times every 2 minutes or thereabouts.

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/16 16:46:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby hbzk100 2018/03/20 09:48:53
Regarding "micro stuttering" I had noted some strange stutters in certain apps like BF4 back in the day, accompanied by some noticeable latency when running 2k/4k DSR . Since I never really bother with it, it's nice technology, but nothing beats a real 2k/4k+ panel as I discovered. I agree with bdary a lot on this one. 8MSAA @5k? sounds like an utter waste of performance. Hec what would people do if they had to go back to the 640x480 days lol.

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/16 18:19:26 (permalink)
Again, i'm doing it on games that are very low demanding or are old. and i don't run 8xmsaa and 5k dsr at the same time.
 
But I do get your point and agree. Though, the micro stutters were way worse with the kraken g12 on, than with the stock cooler so idk.

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/19 13:10:14 (permalink)
Ok i'm an idiot, all i needed to do was do a full fresh re-installation of the nvidia drivers. So the card is fine afterall.

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/19 14:30:32 (permalink)
Glad to hear you got it figured out and that the card was good afterall...


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/20 09:48:29 (permalink)
Thanks man! Oh and the latest graphics driver update also fixes TWO issues i was having, one was micro stuttering when alt tabbing AND issues with firefox.
 
I also just want to say i'm really sorry for not (fully) listening to you guys, i was so bent on believing my card was having a hardware issue i didn't want to believe it could be drivers/software that was the problem.
 
Oh and BTW, now that i'm back with my stock cooler, i did put MX4 on the stock cooler and temps did go down about 5C!

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/20 10:00:48 (permalink)
Sounds good...  I'm getting ready to DL and install that new driver as well.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/20 11:55:39 (permalink)
Yay super glad you got everything all squared away! So how are your overall load temps now?

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Re: 85C Too Hot for a GTX 1080 AMP! Edition Card? 2018/03/20 22:48:15 (permalink)
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Yay super glad you got everything all squared away! So how are your overall load temps now?


I haven't done any 5k testing. But at 1440P, max temps i see no matter what are 80C, but typically it floats around 75C which is a lot better than before where it always sat at 79C or higher. Which is awesome because my goal was to have temps below 80C and not go above it (yeah it does touch 80C but whatever it's 1C).
 
Still, never going to recommend anybody buying this card unless your a miner. The cooler on this thing should only pass as a GTX 1070 or gtx 1060 cooler, especially when the PCB can push a freaking 375W power limit. Though, not complaining, getting a gtx 1080 for free is amazing! haha.
 
I do miss EVGA A LOT though. My first graphics card was a 750 TI FTW, and I miss the quality of that card (the thing overclocked like crazy, got 1430mhz on the core). My next card was a gigabyte GTX 1060 G1 Gaming (cause EVGA didn't have 1060s out at that time), and while it is a high quality card, one of the fans started making a buzzing noise, so I RMAed the card...i got the 1060 returned with the fan fixed, but the front got all these scratches and i could see that whoever worked on the card bent the backplate and PCB a little bit, was really mad when that happened. Now my 3rd card is the one this topic is about. :D

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