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2021/10/27 08:24:59 (permalink)
Title says it all. I have a benq 60hz 32” 2160p screen from 2016. It functions just fine and I’m able to overclock it to 67hz lol.

I’m looking at the LG c1 48” OLED as a replacement. The LG supports 120hz. OLED is obviously going to look nicer.

having a screen that is less pixel dense would be nice too. I do squint at my 32” during productivity moments even though I have it at 150% scale. Periodically i miss in gaming because of how pixel dense the screen is. Small miscalculations in leading targets etc.

Is it worth it to upgrade to a bigger screen and a better refresh for $1000ish? It kind of feels like a lateral. I am hoping someone can lend their experience just how much better 48” at 4K and 120 is vs a 32” 4K at 60hz.

This is all for fun for me for context.

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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 10:15:35 (permalink)
    I've went from 42" 4K to 50" 4K recently and can say for a fact. 48" is too big. You really want to go 38-42" at the most. 48-50" overwhelms a desktop.
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 10:22:49 (permalink)
    I went from 27 inch 1080p 120hz to 27 in 4k 144hz.
    I originally got a 32 inch but found I just didn't like the bigger screen.  Exchanged it for a 27 inch 4k and love it.  
    So, I can't speak to the size, but the jump to 4K is well worth it.  I'm more productive in photo editing and the games look fab.
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 11:28:25 (permalink)
    Less ppi!?!? No way.

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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 12:07:12 (permalink)
    Unless you are sitting way, way back to use that 48" ... it's just too big .
    The 120 Hz  refresh speeds would be something you would notice & feel much better , be more impressed with than a size increase.
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 12:15:30 (permalink)
    I would say it depends on the gaming and if you are really going to be pushing 120hz if you own a 120hz monitor but are only pushing 60FPS then it's not going to really be an improvement for that. If not pushing twice the frames then I agree with Sajin that you are increasing the ppi to go for a bigger screen but on the other hand if you are getting twice the FPS then I disagree and would say that the more frames makes up for the lower ppi.

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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 12:48:52 (permalink)
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    I've went from 42" 4K to 50" 4K recently and can say for a fact. 48" is too big. You really want to go 38-42" at the most. 48-50" overwhelms a desktop.


    Exactly I had the same thought but I didn't say it clearly.  I think the 32" 2160p display is a bit to dense in PPI.  48" seems like it will be overkill but 42ish seems like it would be amazing.  But the choices in 42" aren't great right now.  It doesnt look like there is a 42" OLED anytime in the immediate future.
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 13:09:55 (permalink)
    I mean, the 4K resolution is going to be WAAAY less obvious than the simple upgrade to OLED, plus the improved HDR if you are consuming such content. I mean, it is a TV really. You'll also get access to Dolby Vision content which is nice. Only real downside is burn-in (and price, I guess), which I could see happening if you are using it daily as a monitor for work or internet browsing. Just for games and movies/TV though, it's obviously going to be better.

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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 13:10:11 (permalink)
    I have a 27" 4k for work.  It is just too small for me.  32" is better.  Gigabyte has a 43" FV43U for $1000 but screen is QLED instead of OLED.  And black friday is coming up... meh.
     
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 13:11:14 (permalink)
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    I mean, the 4K resolution is going to be WAAAY less obvious than the simple upgrade to OLED, plus the improved HDR if you are consuming such content. I mean, it is a TV really. You'll also get access to Dolby Vision content which is worth it. Only real downside is burn-in (and price, I guess), which I could see happening if you are using it daily as a monitor for work or internet browsing. Just for games and movies/TV though, it's obviously going to be better.


    you think the OLED will be that much better than the LCD I have?  interesting.  i really need to just goto best buy or costco and take a look
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 13:21:00 (permalink)
    I would recommend you look into ultrawide monitors if you really wanna change your gaming experience. Just going to a bigger screen in the same format won't really change your gaming experience but going ultrawide will. 

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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 13:42:18 (permalink)
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    I mean, the 4K resolution is going to be WAAAY less obvious than the simple upgrade to OLED, plus the improved HDR if you are consuming such content. I mean, it is a TV really. You'll also get access to Dolby Vision content which is nice. Only real downside is burn-in (and price, I guess), which I could see happening if you are using it daily as a monitor for work or internet browsing. Just for games and movies/TV though, it's obviously going to be better.


    Burn in is really something to question if it will happen if it’s constantly on and running windows since the Windows bar at the bottom is going to anyways be on screen unless you have it vanish. If you go full screen I would recommend having a random photo background and the taskbar set to vanish. As long as everything on screen goes away burn in shouldn’t happen under normal gaming unless you game for hours non stop in games without cut screens.

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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 13:45:26 (permalink)
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    I mean, the 4K resolution is going to be WAAAY less obvious than the simple upgrade to OLED, plus the improved HDR if you are consuming such content. I mean, it is a TV really. You'll also get access to Dolby Vision content which is worth it. Only real downside is burn-in (and price, I guess), which I could see happening if you are using it daily as a monitor for work or internet browsing. Just for games and movies/TV though, it's obviously going to be better.


    you think the OLED will be that much better than the LCD I have?  interesting.  i really need to just goto best buy or costco and take a look


    I use my BenQ 1440p monitor most days for work and sometimes gaming, but if I really want to treat myself (lol) I haul the PC downstairs and connect it to my Sony A8H. The experience is really incomparable, especially for HDR gaming. Movies look awesome as well, that's just a bonus.

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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/27 15:51:07 (permalink)
    I agree with others, this will be way to big
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/10/31 05:14:25 (permalink)
    Refresh rate above 60hz is definitely worth it, but you really need good GPU for new titles to play above 4K60FPS.

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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/11/01 19:07:12 (permalink)
    I personally use a 55", mainly for medical reasons, but I also sit about 7-8 feet away from it.  I can say this much, having something this large is far easier on the eyes, and you do not strain.  But that distance, unless you are setup for it, is extremely difficult.  I have a few friends with 32" screens on their desks, and they find even those to be too large for the distance.

     

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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/11/03 06:44:10 (permalink)
    I’m hanging on for another month for price drops . Maybe Black Friday will have some good monitor sales.
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/11/03 08:23:15 (permalink)
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    I would recommend you look into ultrawide monitors if you really wanna change your gaming experience. Just going to a bigger screen in the same format won't really change your gaming experience but going ultrawide will. 

    This. I realize the OP is asking just about 4K screens, so my answer is a bit of a sidetrack, but if he's willing to be convinced to include other than 4K options, I think this is a pretty good discussion to have.
     
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    I eventually decided to go to a 34" ultrawide at 3440x1440p resolution at 120Hz (an Asus monitor). I did in fact notice a little loss in smoothness since the ppi figure was lower. This bothered me for a couple of days, then it just faded from my mind and I stopped noticing it. It's a very noticeable improvement from 1080p but is a bit of a step down from 4K at the same size of panel. The tradeoff was worth it to me, though, and I have no regrets.
     
    The benefits of the 4K -> 3440x1440p move were severalfold. For one, this ultrawide is, well, ultra wide. I'm totally used to it now and it's my new normal, but when I first set it up it was comically wide. It's great, though, being able to have multiple documents up on my screen side by side. It's great in games having a wider field of view. In some programs like Adobe Premiere it's awesome having this extra width. I get that there are some applications where having vertical space is more important than having more horizontal space, but for everything I do the width is better. The OP will have to judge his/her own needs on this front.
     
    And then there was the performance. 3440x1440p is only ~60% as many pixels per frame compared to 4k. While my 1080ti was barely hitting 60fps on my 4K monitor, it was hitting 70-120fps, depending on the games, on my 3440x1440 ultrawide. And since the 34" ultrawide has a 120hz refresh rate, this was framerate that could actually be taken advantage of. And that matters. At least in gaming, those who say that greater than 60fps or whatever is a waste are simply wrong.
     
    I've got a 3080ti now, which will max out the framerate at 120++fps in almost every game I've played with it so far under almost all conditions. If I had a 4K monitor right now that could do 120 or 144hz refresh then I could presumably actually hit or approach those maximums with my current GPU/CPU combo. While that would be awesome, I would still lose the benefits of the ultrawide aspect ratio.
     
    Monitor makers haven't been sitting still. You can now get 3440x1440 ultrawides in refresh rates all the way up to 180hz and even up to 240hz, with 144hz versions being shockingly cheap even compared to what I paid for my 120hz panel a couple of years ago.
     
    I don't think I ever want to go back to the 16:9 aspect ratio having used 21:9 for the last couple of years. The extra width is just too nice for the kinds of uses I have for my computer.
     
    Given that a 3060 can handle 3440x1440 now at playable framerates, I think 1440p vertical resolution should become the new baseline, 1080p needs to die in a fire, and enthusiasts need a new intermediate resolution. LG actually is selling a 3840x1600 monitor in the same 21:9 ultrawide aspect ratio that goes up to 160hz but will cost a fortune. For the current generation of graphics cards, though, I think 3440x1440 is a great starting point, with cards like the 3060 being good enough to drive this at playable framerates, and higher cards being able to drive it at higher refresh rates.
     
    At any rate, if the OP isn't 100% wedded to the idea of 2160p vertical resolution, I think the current ultrawides would be a great alternate to consider. Unless their particular use cases absolutely require the higher PPI of a 4K screen or the taller aspect ratio of 16:9, I think the advantages of 21:9 for many uses, not just gaming, are many. The fact that all of the current-gen cards can push this resolution at playable to fantastic framerates seals the deal.

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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/11/17 05:40:04 (permalink)
    the Gigabyte FV43U 43" QLED is on "sale" for $1000 at all of the online retailers right now...
     
    Amazon is returnable until Jan 31, which is probably best overall deal if you have the Amazon visa or store card, which gets you another $50 in cash back. (https://www.amazon.com/AORUS-Compatible-Exclusive-3840x2160-DisplayPort/dp/B0947K1VRX/ref=rvi_11/132-0363944-9741471?pd_rd_w=Nw8zn&pf_rd_p=c0296674-5a83-4ad6-b035-0702d2b359df&pf_rd_r=GMRXV9ZNDRVJ7JGWE4M8&pd_rd_r=d77805bf-3b1f-4416-a0d2-81814c597a03&pd_rd_wg=dpMwZ&pd_rd_i=B0947K1VRX&th=1)
     
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    Best buy is returnable until Jan 16 with purchases through Jan 2.  (https://www.bestbuy.com/site/gigabyte-43-lcd-4k-qled-freesync-premium-pro-monitor-with-hdr-hdmi-displayport-usb-black/6483970.p?skuId=6483970)
     
     
    someone please talk me out of buying this display before I throw away another $1000 on gaming lol
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/11/24 04:34:37 (permalink)
    FV43U for $860+tax at amazon.  I ordered it.
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/11/24 19:56:57 (permalink)
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/11/26 21:27:16 (permalink)
    It is worth it if you have freesync and or Gsync on the display. You can go Ultrawide for an improved experience but keep in mind those are more pixels to render and a small hit in performance. Also if you like older games many do not like Ultrawide displays and it's a pain to get it to work if it will work at all. It's sort of why I just stick to wide, want everything to just work new or old, 144hz at a minimum 1ms at a minimum, then freesync and or Gsync is also a must. Looking at the specs you are going to love that thing.
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/11/27 12:57:11 (permalink)
    I’d wait until the 43/42 inch lords come out. Even then that’s a little big. I have a 38 and find it perfect.

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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/11/29 09:08:22 (permalink)
    Well.  I have good news and bed news my friends.  The good news is that the FV43U came a day early.  The bad news is that I am completely spoiled now.
     
    My initial impression is that it blows my socks off.  Its HUGE.  My desk is 60" wide I think and I have about 5-6" of total width left lol
     

     
     
     
     
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/11/29 10:05:29 (permalink)
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    Well.  I have good news and bed news my friends.  The good news is that the FV43U came a day early.  The bad news is that I am completely spoiled now.
     
    My initial impression is that it blows my socks off.  Its HUGE.  My desk is 60" wide I think and I have about 5-6" of total width left lol
     

     
     
     
     




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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/11/30 12:24:36 (permalink)
    Nice! I have the LG 34GP950G-B and it has been great as well. How is HDR on it?

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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/12/01 13:21:57 (permalink)
    Looks great! I've yet to see a display that even comes close to OLED for HDR content, so I'm curious about this too. But I agree with the previous posters, the OLED sizes are just too big for monitor usage at the moment. As soon as a smaller one comes out though I'll be on it.
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/12/04 07:05:51 (permalink)
    Had the display about a week now and I put together some thoughts for those who are in the market based on a week of usage
     
    * 38-42" is the ideal desktop size for me.  So far for me, ideal viewing distance on a 43" is almost exactly 36".  I started around 28-30" and I could feel the heat from the screen on my face.  Just too much.
    * The difference between 144hz and 60hz is significant.
    * Games are glorious.  I don't like watching movies at my desk so not sure how that is yet.
    * Decreasing pixel density by going from 32" to 43" at the same 4k res has had a major positive impact on FPS online gaming performance
    * HDR is a new thing to me.  HDR1000 preset is just too bright.  I use the HDR Game preset which not quite as bright
    * The display generates a decent amount of heat.  I coincidentally have an external rad behind the display that helps push the heat a bit.
    * The remote control is easy to use though the menus aren't super intuitive.  I still haven't figured it all out yet, just using presets
    * There are no RGB/LEDs on the back like there are with the < 43" Aorus displays.  I thought mine was defective til I realized there is a smooth black area that looked like it was supposed to have RGBs but there is nothing there.
    * Certain text is pretty hard to read with scaling at 100% despite 43" diag and I am 20/20ish, at least I was a year or two ago
     
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    There are 2 dead pixels.  I've always gotten lucky and never had dead pixels before.  These are in the far upper left.. really, its not a huge deal but I am going to wait and see if it gets worse.  I have until EOM January before I am stuck with it and cannot exchange.
     
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    Highly recommended!!!
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    Re: 4K screen - worth it to go from 32” 4K 60hz to 48” 4K 120hz for $1000? 2021/12/04 20:54:32 (permalink)
     
    I think I'm alone when I say I want to stay at 25" forever.   If I want a huge TV in my face I'd move my PC out to my living room. I don't get the huge monitor craze. :P

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