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2019/10/17 06:48:08 (permalink)
Hi, I am building a new computer system. I'm up against a really hard decision. 3900x or 9900k? This computer will be almost exclusively for 4K gaming at 144 FPS. It looks like Intel is up to %10 faster in games. The only thing I was wondering is it worth getting the Ryzen for next gen PCI Express? I will be getting a 2080ti FTW 3 for this system so I dont see myself upgrading the GPU anytime soon. If anything I could just run Sli if I need more power. Thanks
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/17 06:55:36 (permalink)
    for Gaming intel is still king....for multithreaded tasks? I'd take the AMD.
     
    Others may have different input ..but that's my perspective.
     

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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/17 06:57:25 (permalink)
    I would pick out motherboards for both CPU's and decide which route you want to go. I also wouldn't plan on SLI, most game developers have dropped support for it now.

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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/17 07:09:28 (permalink)
    Cool I want to get an EVGA motherboard (cuz they rock) I don't think EVGA makes AMD motherboards.
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/17 07:21:55 (permalink)
    Benches are around 3-5 % difference between them - so get whatever gives you the best deal in price / warranty support at the moment.
     
     

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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/17 07:31:43 (permalink)
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    Cool I want to get an EVGA motherboard (cuz they rock) I don't think EVGA makes AMD motherboards.

    Correct only Intel MB from EVGA

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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/17 08:10:00 (permalink)
    You also have the choice of the i9 10900X or i7 9800X and X299 chipset. Those will fit into the price range as well.

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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/17 09:01:47 (permalink)
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    You also have the choice of the i9 10900X or i7 9800X and X299 chipset. Those will fit into the price range as well.


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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/17 10:30:50 (permalink)
    Or wait until November when the new i9 10XXX series comes out as well as the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X with 16 cores. An AMD X570 motherboard will also give you PCI-E 4.0 capability. As a consumer you have great choices between Intel and AMD. 

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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/17 10:37:40 (permalink)
    I agree that you should wait till the both Intel and AMD release their monster CPUs.  That's if you're interested into the HEDT platform.

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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/17 12:18:45 (permalink)
    HEDT?
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/17 12:46:45 (permalink)
    High end desktop

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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/18 02:41:36 (permalink)
    Buy i9-10900X when show up and EVGA X299 Dark.
    Here, amazing CPU, between R9-3900X and i9-9900K.
     
    https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/198019/intel-core-i9-10900x-x-series-processor-19-25m-cache-3-70-ghz.html
     
    Depend of CPU, maybe OC Frame will be avaialble and after deliding you can reach 5.0GHz installin AIO or CPU block only on die.
    Heat transfer between CPU with IHS and CPU without IHS can't compare at all. 
    i9-10900X will be mine favorite CPU on market when show up. 
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/25 17:10:20 (permalink)
    PCIE 4.0 is already being leapfrogged for PCIE 5.0, which will be out when the next gen Intel chips are released (Not talking about the Cascade Lake-X).  Don't get ryzen just because of PCIE 4.0.  If you're using enough multi-video cards to even need PCIE 4.0's bandwidth, you would be better off with a HEDT system for the lanes, anyway.
     
    As far as the other questions, that really depends on your budget.
    For two RTX 2080 TI's in SLI, a 10960X would eat those and keep them feeling happy.  (Unless you want to want the full XE chip)
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/10/30 13:46:45 (permalink)
    If you have a Microcenter around, the i7 9800X is now $380. Really solid deal.

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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/11/05 07:08:13 (permalink)
    Also have a look at the i7-9700K, it can actually have better single and low thread count performance gaming stock vs. stock than the 9900K due to the lack of hyper threading.  Arguably the best gaming CPU out there for the money.
     
    However, it is recommended to test the 9900K with and without hyperthreading for the games that you are running which are CPU bound, without may perform better and OC's might be more stable.
    post edited by kevinc313 - 2019/11/05 07:19:28
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/11/05 11:15:28 (permalink)
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    If you have a Microcenter around, the i7 9800X is now $380. Really solid deal.


     
    Also $299 for the i7-9700K, while the i9-9900k is $450.  Though I agree HEDT is worth a serious look, good prices on all them there:
     
     
    https://www.microcenter.c...14860&myStore=true
     
    EDIT: So I swear when I was looking at this a few hours ago there were at least five types of these available in my local store, now they are down to only 9980XE at $1500.  These are blowout prices and they are going fast.
    post edited by kevinc313 - 2019/11/05 15:50:11
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/11/11 08:30:08 (permalink)
    ^Back in stock with even better pricing on the 9980XE....
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/11/11 13:31:59 (permalink)
    While I will 100% agree a 9900k or even the 9700k is best at gaming 95% of the time, and even when its not the best a slight overclock will make it the best.
     
    Now you are incorrect and being mislead to think that any Intel HEDT parts even the 9980xe is better at gaming than a 3900x. Its actually about 3-5% slower overall due to lower stock clocks and the higher latency Mesh. Now overclocking to 5 Ghz and overclocking the Mesh will even it out and may even pass the 3900x in some titles but out of the box it will be worse at gaming.
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/11/11 14:02:31 (permalink)
    we poor buggers with no microcenter

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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/11/16 17:31:27 (permalink)
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    While I will 100% agree a 9900k or even the 9700k is best at gaming 95% of the time, and even when its not the best a slight overclock will make it the best.
     
    Now you are incorrect and being mislead to think that any Intel HEDT parts even the 9980xe is better at gaming than a 3900x. Its actually about 3-5% slower overall due to lower stock clocks and the higher latency Mesh. Now overclocking to 5 Ghz and overclocking the Mesh will even it out and may even pass the 3900x in some titles but out of the box it will be worse at gaming.


     
    From what I'm seeing the 9700K or 9900K with hyperthreading disabled will give the best performance in most games.  Some people have reported the 9900K can overclock higher with hyperthreading disabled, all things being equal, giving even more of a performance boost. 
     
    I'd be curious how the HEDT CPU's do with hyperthreading disabled and I'm a little surprised they don't offer a non-threaded high clock model for gaming. 
     
    I've been doing some intermittent research on how hyperthreading / sequential multithreading (SMT) effects performance in various applications.  Single threads are the most interesting, from what I gather when a high single thread load hits a threaded core, all or most of the core's power and resources can be applied to the single thread, meaning there is little difference benchmarking a single core without SMT vs. threaded.  Modern games seem to run better at around 8 cores or threads, so taking a 4 core and disabling SMT will decrease performance, while taking a 8-core and disabling smt will help.  Multi-thread optimized benchmarks will do better with SMT on, such as 3D Mark Timespy.
     
    In my limited testing I feel that I get a slightly smoother desktop experience with hyperrthreading on with my 9900K, since I'm heavily GPU bound gaming at 4K60 with a 2080Ti, there's no need for me to overclock or disable HT, and 3D Mark tests score much higher.
     
    The 3900X games better with SMT disabled:
     
    https://www.techspot.com/...ryzen-9-smt-on-vs-off/
    post edited by kevinc313 - 2019/11/16 18:36:25
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/11/17 05:52:16 (permalink)
    Personally I say go AMD, sure no EVGA motherboard but the platform is rather awesome offering good price to performance.
    Even with the 3900X its still awesome to have a 12 core processor on a mainstream platform when that sort of thing is still enthusiast grade on intel as after all the only real competitor intel has in terms of cores and threads is the i9-9920X and thats stuck on intels high end solutions meanwhile one can pair a 3900X with a B450 motherboard and while it would not be a ideal pairing would still be an interesting one.
    I mean yeah in gaming intel is still better but the 3900X is fantastic in many other tasks.
    Plus if you go X570 you get PCIE gen4 so more futureproof.
     
    I am not a AMD fanboy mind you but right now Intel is looking a bit silly.
    post edited by MadmanRB - 2019/11/17 06:15:35


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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/12/01 18:06:11 (permalink)
    To me, Intel is still the best for games.
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/12/03 07:17:51 (permalink)
    Ryzen, no brainer.
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/12/03 07:37:23 (permalink)
    Looking at going ryzen myself, 3800x


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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/12/03 07:41:56 (permalink)
    At this point, 9900KS.
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/12/03 09:50:00 (permalink)
    People really recommend a security flawed product, high power consumption product, and justify with synthetic benchmarks? Performance is negligible, and outside of gaming it gets trounced. Damn, time to take off fanboy hats.
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/12/03 11:04:27 (permalink)
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    People really recommend a security flawed product, high power consumption product, and justify with synthetic benchmarks? Performance is negligible, and outside of gaming it gets trounced. Damn, time to take off fanboy hats.




    Preach it brother.   AMD will be dominating the 3DMark HOF any day now.
     
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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/12/03 15:37:23 (permalink)
     


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    Re: 3900x or 9900K 2019/12/09 01:07:39 (permalink)
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    People really recommend a security flawed product, high power consumption product, and justify with synthetic benchmarks? Performance is negligible, and outside of gaming it gets trounced. Damn, time to take off fanboy hats.




    Preach it brother.   AMD will be dominating the 3DMark HOF any day now.
     
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    No Ryzen Yet... GG

    In other news, i7 9700K or the 9900K. Cant go wrong with either. I have an i7 9700K with 2 1080 Ti's and its flawless thus far.




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