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Okay so I have a band new 4080 Zotac and a EVGA 3090 TI FTW in my computer Should I sell the 4080 keep my 3090 TI or Sell the 3090 TI. I am on the Fence because of the Video memory I would be losing I game and do Cad in 4k. Also I am running a i9-10920x So not sure if the bottleneck would be an issue with the 4080.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/11 07:59:35
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The only person that can answer that is you. Load up some of your CAD work on both cards and see how they run. Do you need the extra 8GB VRAM on the 3090 Ti? If not then sell the 3090 Ti as the 4080 is the faster card. If you do then sell the 4080 and look into getting the 4090. For gaming 16GB is plenty even at 4K resolution with max setting on virtually any game so gaming shouldn't be the deciding factor.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/11 09:09:19
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CraptacularOne The only person that can answer that is you. Load up some of your CAD work on both cards and see how they run. Do you need the extra 8GB VRAM on the 3090 Ti? If not then sell the 3090 Ti as the 4080 is the faster card. If you do then sell the 4080 and look into getting the 4090. For gaming 16GB is plenty even at 4K resolution with max setting on virtually any game so gaming shouldn't be the deciding factor.
True Yeah I don't want to open the 4080 but yeah Seems like since the street value is about the same I am probably better of selling the Evga 3090TI but part me wants to hold on the last video cards EVGA made lol.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/11 09:17:02
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Zotac is a solid brand, especially their AMP Extreme Edition cards. But if you're an EVGA fan, I would keep the 3090 Ti FTW3. What about building a second rig? You could use an app like Synergy foss for shared mouse and keyboard, of course only if money isn't a factor there. Just a thought.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/11 09:20:19
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oldfresh Zotac is a solid brand, especially their AMP Extreme Edition cards. But if you're an EVGA fan, I would keep the 3090 Ti FTW3. What about building a second rig? You could use an app like Synergy foss for shared mouse and keyboard, of course only if money isn't a factor there. Just a thought.
lol if money was not a factor I would take apart the shroud and fan on the 3090 ti in put it in a shadow box frame and hang it on the wall.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/11 09:22:37
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I would say if the Zotac isn't an AMP Extreme Edition, get rid of it. Wait for the 4090 Ti AMP Extreme Edition. Will be worth the wait.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/11 10:11:41
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oldfresh I would say if the Zotac isn't an AMP Extreme Edition, get rid of it. Wait for the 4090 Ti AMP Extreme Edition. Will be worth the wait.
There is no appreciable difference in day to day operation of the cards. To say if it isn't the "AMP Extreme Edition, get rid of it" is hugely naive. Even the base model cards are all fine and perform within margin of error between the fancier boutique versions. The only real difference being that if you plan to do some extreme overclocking with sub ambient cooling like Ln2 will the differences matter. No, moving some sliders around in Afterburner doesn't count nor does even watercooling the card. You aren't going to stress the card enough to really make it worth the extra $$$ to see a difference. On the stock cooler all the 4090s end around the same 3Ghz core mark give or take and all the VRMs can handle the power required for that just fine as even the base models have hugely overbuilt VRMs. There is nothing wrong with buying a higher end card that's what their there for, choice. But to say if it isn't XX model from XX brand then to get rid of it is pure nonsense.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/11 10:39:06
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Not sure if I follow your logic. I prefer maximum performance, top benching model on all my cards. You pay premium and they hold premium value. If you want to get a sub par model to save money, well that's your decision. AMP Extreme Edition is Zotac's fastest clocking model, top card, and they dominated the benchmarks for the 980 Ti and 1080 Ti series, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are dominating benches on the 4000 series. I would *personally* get rid of the Zotac if it's not their top model, and op said it's a 4080, well that's not a 4090 and you can get a 4090 AMP edition right now for around $1800. I would say sell the 4080 and put that money towards the top model, and keep the EVGA card (an awesome card btw regardless of how Nvidia handled the 3090 Ti release). Until the 4090 Ti is released, will anyone actually see value in paying high premium on the 4000 series on less than a 4k rig? Of course op can do whatever he wants, he is simply asking for others opinions.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/11 10:59:52
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4080 is faster, more efficient, way smaller TDP/heat output, simply better card in any way. 16 GB is disadvantage only if your games or CAD regularly use more than 16GB of VRAM. Do not pay attention on suggestion like, give me a bit of performance (can't be seen other than benchmarks) for the bulk of money. So, 4080 is the keeper.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/11 11:08:22
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oldfresh Not sure if I follow your logic. I prefer maximum performance, top benching model on all my cards. You pay premium and they hold premium value. If you want to get a sub par model to save money, well that's your decision. AMP Extreme Edition is Zotac's fastest clocking model, top card, and they dominated the benchmarks for the 980 Ti and 1080 Ti series, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are dominating benches on the 4000 series. I would *personally* get rid of the Zotac if it's not their top model, and op said it's a 4080, well that's not a 4090 and you can get a 4090 AMP edition right now for around $1800. I would say sell the 4080 and put that money towards the top model, and keep the EVGA card (an awesome card btw regardless of how Nvidia handled the 3090 Ti release). Until the 4090 Ti is released, will anyone actually see value in paying high premium on the 4000 series on less than a 4k rig? Of course op can do whatever he wants, he is simply asking for others opinions.
Logic? Guess you haven't seen or read virtually any review have you? You are paying 10-15% more for about 1-3% more performance for the higher end models. If you are at all concerned about value as you claim you would know this. You can just overclock the lower end model to match or exceed the higher end model and not have to pay for it. That's the logic. The clock speed reference was in regards to what the Ada Lovelace can do on air cooling in general. The RTX 4080s are all also around 3Ghz mark as well across the board for the base model to the higher end models. There is literally no "value" in buying the higher end cards. They aren't worth the $100-300 increase over the base models. ESPECIALLY if you are concerned with value.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/11 11:10:53
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oldfresh Not sure if I follow your logic. I prefer maximum performance, top benching model on all my cards. You pay premium and they hold premium value. If you want to get a sub par model to save money, well that's your decision. AMP Extreme Edition is Zotac's fastest clocking model, top card, and they dominated the benchmarks for the 980 Ti and 1080 Ti series, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are dominating benches on the 4000 series. I would *personally* get rid of the Zotac if it's not their top model, and op said it's a 4080, well that's not a 4090 and you can get a 4090 AMP edition right now for around $1800. I would say sell the 4080 and put that money towards the top model, and keep the EVGA card (an awesome card btw regardless of how Nvidia handled the 3090 Ti release). Until the 4090 Ti is released, will anyone actually see value in paying high premium on the 4000 series on less than a 4k rig? Of course op can do whatever he wants, he is simply asking for others opinions.
Logic? Guess you haven't seen or read virtually any review have you? You are paying 10-15% more for about 1-3% more performance for the higher end models. If you are at all concerned about value as you claim you would know this. You can just overclock the lower end model to match or exceed the higher end model and not have to pay for it. That's the logic. The clock speed reference was in regards to what the Ada Lovelace can do on air cooling in general. The RTX 4080s are all also around 3Ghz mark as well across the board for the base model to the higher end models. There is literally no "value" in buying the higher end cards. They aren't worth the $100-300 increase over the base models. ESPECIALLY if you are concerned with value.
I'm of the same opinion, CT1...but I'm still gonna buy the 4090...only because I WANT it..not because it's that much better heh
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/11 11:38:16
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oldfresh Not sure if I follow your logic. I prefer maximum performance, top benching model on all my cards. You pay premium and they hold premium value. If you want to get a sub par model to save money, well that's your decision. AMP Extreme Edition is Zotac's fastest clocking model, top card, and they dominated the benchmarks for the 980 Ti and 1080 Ti series, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are dominating benches on the 4000 series. I would *personally* get rid of the Zotac if it's not their top model, and op said it's a 4080, well that's not a 4090 and you can get a 4090 AMP edition right now for around $1800. I would say sell the 4080 and put that money towards the top model, and keep the EVGA card (an awesome card btw regardless of how Nvidia handled the 3090 Ti release). Until the 4090 Ti is released, will anyone actually see value in paying high premium on the 4000 series on less than a 4k rig? Of course op can do whatever he wants, he is simply asking for others opinions.
Logic? Guess you haven't seen or read virtually any review have you? You are paying 10-15% more for about 1-3% more performance for the higher end models. If you are at all concerned about value as you claim you would know this. You can just overclock the lower end model to match or exceed the higher end model and not have to pay for it. That's the logic. The clock speed reference was in regards to what the Ada Lovelace can do on air cooling in general. The RTX 4080s are all also around 3Ghz mark as well across the board for the base model to the higher end models. There is literally no "value" in buying the higher end cards. They aren't worth the $100-300 increase over the base models. ESPECIALLY if you are concerned with value.
I'm of the same opinion, CT1...but I'm still gonna buy the 4090...only because I WANT it..not because it's that much better heh
I'm talking about in terms of GPU class in general. It's never a better value to buy the higher end models in a given class be it 80 class or 90 class cards. You can easily overclock the base model to that of the higher end one for free on your own. Even if you don't plan to overclock it's not worth spending the extra 10-15% for the added 1-3% in performance you gain in a pre overclocked or higher end model. I'm saying that if someone wants a 4090 buy the cheapest 4090 you can, if you want a 4080 buy the cheapest one you can. The VRMs on the base model cards are hugely overbuilt and can easily sustain the fractionally higher load the higher end cards ask from their VRMs. It's only if you are planning on Ln2 and extreme overclocking that you should even consider a higher end card because in those situations you can run into the limits of the VRMs on the base model cards. But we are talking at like -150C cooling and soldering daughterboards to the cards to force feed them more voltage....etc
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/11 11:39:10
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asmodyus True Yeah I don't want to open the 4080 but yeah Seems like since the street value is about the same I am probably better of selling the Evga 3090TI but part me wants to hold on the last video cards EVGA made lol.
An enthusiast with the means would throw all metrics out the window. Here, electricity is 30-40 cents kilowatt. EV's don't make sense unless you have PV or get "free" charging somewhere. With power/performance comes room/office cooling. If cost was a concern, but you want the ROI for the life of the card, sell the 4080. Buy a 4090 and sell the 3090ti. Power usage for the 3090ti and 4090 is similar with a big jump in performance. I am sitting on a 3090ti w/powerlink and debating whether to sell or stick in a gaming rig that collects dust at work just because it's the last EVGA halo card. (besides the KP version) I'm sentimental for some things, but not computer parts. It's up to you what's important.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/12 07:56:02
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Thanks for all the Input. Also everything I have read I have to agree honestly besides looks and availability there is no reason to pay more for any of the high end 3rd Party Cards over the Basic models the head room is so small that your really just paying for the name, lights and fans all these chips seem to have max clock speed range.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/13 16:17:09
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I got a 4090 and am going to hang up the 3090Ti on the wall for posterity
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/01/24 06:56:33
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So it looks like there is a 22% bottleneck on the 4080 vs the rtx 3090ti which as less than a 1% bottleneck on the rig I have so. Not Sure what Realtime effect will be in gaming, but I think now I am just going to sell the RTX 4080 and Upgrade my core components before Getting a new Video Card.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/02/02 17:37:17
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Not sure why somebody who would buy top end graphic cards would not be savvy enough to research the differences.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/02/02 20:36:23
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kbnj123 Not sure why somebody who would buy top end graphic cards would not be savvy enough to research the differences.
Pompus statement. If you cant help out, keep it to yourself
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/02/02 22:21:58
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kbnj123 Not sure why somebody who would buy top end graphic cards would not be savvy enough to research the differences.
Pompus statement. If you cant help out, keep it to yourself
Pompous OP has 2 flagship overpriced cards and can't tell which one they need.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/02/02 23:45:08
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OK everyone let's watch the comments. Show respect when posting.
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Re: 3090 TI OR 4080
2023/02/05 11:57:27
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kbnj123 Not sure why somebody who would buy top end graphic cards would not be savvy enough to research the differences.
Pompus statement. If you cant help out, keep it to yourself
Pompous OP has 2 flagship overpriced cards and can't tell which one they need.
Yeah are correct I have 2 high-end cards, and had one for a while the 4080 was purchased for a client who backed out but regardless of how I go them. I was torn on which one to use and totally forgot about the whole bottleneck thing. So yeah was not sure which one to keep and still not sure about the 20+/-% bottleneck if the 4080 will still be faster, but I do a lot of cad work so the 24 GB seemed better to hold on to and honestly wanted an opinion and sorry if owning 2 high-end cards offended you with my lack of knowledge on the bottleneck issue.
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