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2020/09/28 17:28:55 (permalink)
Does anyone know what the power limits are for EVGA's 3090s?  Is there a difference in power limit between the two FTW3 3090 cards?  The Founders Edition and Strix limits would also be appreciated if anyone has those specs?
My 1080 Ti HydroCopper cards never had any issue with power limits, My 2080 Ti's did, even with 380w BIOS it wasn't near enough.  These cards will probably be even worse, looking into which one makes the most sense for me.

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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/28 17:40:00 (permalink)
    3090 FE - 350 default (400 max slider?)
    3090 Strix - 480 max
    3090 FTW3 / FTW3 Ultra - 420 / 450 max power slider on the OC VBIOS (trying to get an unlocked VBIOS)
     
    My 3090 FTW3 always shows power limit. Always 
     
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/28 17:45:28 (permalink)
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    3090 FE - 350 default (400 max slider?)
    3090 Strix - 480 max
    3090 FTW3 / FTW3 Ultra - 440 max (trying to get an unlocked VBIOS)
     
    My 3090 FTW3 always shows power limit. Always 
     


    thanks that's exactly what I needed.  I'm still inclined to get an FTW3, I've had trouble with Asus cards in the past.  Never once had an issue with any EVGA product and I've had at least 10 over the past 15 or so years.

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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/28 18:06:56 (permalink)
    Should start seeing more options as far as high power boards in the next month or two. Which will thankfully give all AIB partners time to manufacture a good card with no rushed issues
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/28 18:13:22 (permalink)
    3090 ftw3 ultra pulls 460W at 106% maxed V slider furmark full load
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/28 18:56:09 (permalink)
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    3090 ftw3 ultra pulls 460W at 106% maxed V slider furmark full load

    I just checked GPU-Z, and with the OC VBIOS selected it says 450. It was 440 on the other VBIOS. 3090 FTW3 Ultra owner here.

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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/28 19:01:48 (permalink)
    This solidifies my choice of going with the FTW3 Ultra, the extra 30w on the Strix isn't going to make much of a difference in overclocking.
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/28 20:50:50 (permalink)
    Tbh, it's a downright travesty that the power limits on the dual 8-pin EVGA 3090 GPU's is at 366w. Competitors are using +375w +/- 10w and we know these dual 8-pins can handle over 500w when thrown at them with a shunt mod.
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/29 02:22:19 (permalink)
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    Tbh, it's a downright travesty that the power limits on the dual 8-pin EVGA 3090 GPU's is at 366w. Competitors are using +375w +/- 10w and we know these dual 8-pins can handle over 500w when thrown at them with a shunt mod.



    the evga 3090s are TRIPPLE 8 pin power btw

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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/29 04:06:46 (permalink)
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    3090 ftw3 ultra pulls 460W at 106% maxed V slider furmark full load

    I just checked GPU-Z, and with the OC VBIOS selected it says 450. It was 440 on the other VBIOS. 3090 FTW3 Ultra owner here.


    EVGA only indicated that the fan profiles change based on the position of the BIOS switch, nothing else.  Mine pulled 450 watts on the stock bios when power was set at 107% in PX1.  Was able to set my CPU to +75Mhz but doesn't seem to matter as the card is power limited.
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/29 04:36:24 (permalink)
    Turing was more or less the same. An unlocked BIOS isn’t going to bring much in terms of performance, even with water cooling, when the GPU is already pushed to the maximum performance wall anyway. Maybe a few percentage points in a benchmark, but nothing tangible.
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/29 04:58:31 (permalink)
    Only the FTWs are......
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/29 06:41:21 (permalink)
    So, this is going to sound dumb, but just to check myself before i wreck my system ... I have an i9-10900k, I'm not planning to OC it, and when my 3090 FTW3 Ultra gets here tomorrow, and i don't OC that, and leave it alone with power slider and everything at 100, base clocks, will an 850 PSU be sufficient? All of the Power Watts Calculators that i have used say it would be, but everyone talking has me worried that i should of upgraded my PSU to a lot higher ... Thanks

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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/29 07:13:19 (permalink)
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    So, this is going to sound dumb, but just to check myself before i wreck my system ... I have an i9-10900k, I'm not planning to OC it, and when my 3090 FTW3 Ultra gets here tomorrow, and i don't OC that, and leave it alone with power slider and everything at 100, base clocks, will an 850 PSU be sufficient? All of the Power Watts Calculators that i have used say it would be, but everyone talking has me worried that i should of upgraded my PSU to a lot higher ... Thanks


    I am planning to run mine on a 750W PSU. I have a 3900X that I don’t OC either and I plan to try to undervolt it too.
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/29 07:14:50 (permalink)
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    So, this is going to sound dumb, but just to check myself before i wreck my system ... I have an i9-10900k, I'm not planning to OC it, and when my 3090 FTW3 Ultra gets here tomorrow, and i don't OC that, and leave it alone with power slider and everything at 100, base clocks, will an 850 PSU be sufficient? All of the Power Watts Calculators that i have used say it would be, but everyone talking has me worried that i should of upgraded my PSU to a lot higher ... Thanks


    youll be fine mate :)


     

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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/09/29 07:26:17 (permalink)
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    So, this is going to sound dumb, but just to check myself before i wreck my system ... I have an i9-10900k, I'm not planning to OC it, and when my 3090 FTW3 Ultra gets here tomorrow, and i don't OC that, and leave it alone with power slider and everything at 100, base clocks, will an 850 PSU be sufficient? All of the Power Watts Calculators that i have used say it would be, but everyone talking has me worried that i should of upgraded my PSU to a lot higher ... Thanks


    youll be fine mate :)


     


    Thanks bromigo
     

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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/03 06:36:45 (permalink)
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    Turing was more or less the same. An unlocked BIOS isn’t going to bring much in terms of performance, even with water cooling, when the GPU is already pushed to the maximum performance wall anyway. Maybe a few percentage points in a benchmark, but nothing tangible.


    What’s more important to me is stable clock speeds. These absurd power limits cause the clock speed to jump all over the friggin place, which causes an unstable frame rate. If you’re maxed at 60 FPS, or whatever, then sure, you’re good, but as soon as you dip below 60 FPS it’s abundantly obvious The frame rate gets erratic. Even with G Sync it’s still clear that it’s not consistent like it used to be back before power limits were a major factor.

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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/04 01:59:09 (permalink)
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    Turing was more or less the same. An unlocked BIOS isn’t going to bring much in terms of performance, even with water cooling, when the GPU is already pushed to the maximum performance wall anyway. Maybe a few percentage points in a benchmark, but nothing tangible.


    What’s more important to me is stable clock speeds. These absurd power limits cause the clock speed to jump all over the friggin place, which causes an unstable frame rate. If you’re maxed at 60 FPS, or whatever, then sure, you’re good, but as soon as you dip below 60 FPS it’s abundantly obvious The frame rate gets erratic. Even with G Sync it’s still clear that it’s not consistent like it used to be back before power limits were a major factor.



    from all the benchmarks etc being done at the moment, is actually the opposite. the extra power limits is letting the cards run more smooth and stable. i think Jayz2cents had it shows as part of his OC where he put a custom VBIOS on his card that it held a higher clock much more evenly when it had more power it could draw
     

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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/04 03:01:43 (permalink)
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    Turing was more or less the same. An unlocked BIOS isn’t going to bring much in terms of performance, even with water cooling, when the GPU is already pushed to the maximum performance wall anyway. Maybe a few percentage points in a benchmark, but nothing tangible.


    What’s more important to me is stable clock speeds. These absurd power limits cause the clock speed to jump all over the friggin place, which causes an unstable frame rate. If you’re maxed at 60 FPS, or whatever, then sure, you’re good, but as soon as you dip below 60 FPS it’s abundantly obvious The frame rate gets erratic. Even with G Sync it’s still clear that it’s not consistent like it used to be back before power limits were a major factor.



    from all the benchmarks etc being done at the moment, is actually the opposite. the extra power limits is letting the cards run more smooth and stable. i think Jayz2cents had it shows as part of his OC where he put a custom VBIOS on his card that it held a higher clock much more evenly when it had more power it could draw
     


    That is exactly what I’m talking about, of course his custom BIOS, and I may be wrong here, probably isn’t one the average person will be able to get their hands on. I hope I am wrong. It’s incredible what the 3000 series air coolers are capable of. Ordinarily I would never have considered 400+ watts on air. I’ve had several cards that drew that much power, 2080 Ti, Kepler Titan, 980 Classified, all with custom BIOS, all water cooled. And imo the only thing that kept them alive was liquid cooling. Point is, if that 800w BIOS is in the wild, I wouldn’t dare use it on air.

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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/04 03:08:17 (permalink)
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    Turing was more or less the same. An unlocked BIOS isn’t going to bring much in terms of performance, even with water cooling, when the GPU is already pushed to the maximum performance wall anyway. Maybe a few percentage points in a benchmark, but nothing tangible.


    What’s more important to me is stable clock speeds. These absurd power limits cause the clock speed to jump all over the friggin place, which causes an unstable frame rate. If you’re maxed at 60 FPS, or whatever, then sure, you’re good, but as soon as you dip below 60 FPS it’s abundantly obvious The frame rate gets erratic. Even with G Sync it’s still clear that it’s not consistent like it used to be back before power limits were a major factor.



    from all the benchmarks etc being done at the moment, is actually the opposite. the extra power limits is letting the cards run more smooth and stable. i think Jayz2cents had it shows as part of his OC where he put a custom VBIOS on his card that it held a higher clock much more evenly when it had more power it could draw
     


    That is exactly what I’m talking about, of course his custom BIOS, and I may be wrong here, probably isn’t one the average person will be able to get their hands on. I hope I am wrong. It’s incredible what the 3000 series air coolers are capable of. Ordinarily I would never have considered 400+ watts on air. I’ve had several cards that drew that much power, 2080 Ti, Kepler Titan, 980 Classified, all with custom BIOS, all water cooled. And imo the only thing that kept them alive was liquid cooling. Point is, if that 800w BIOS is in the wild, I wouldn’t dare use it on air.

    so he was running it on air, its passes without fancyer cooling were just more stable, but yeah i think its an 800w type bios and tahts crazy talk. to keep a stableish 2000mhz they might need a little bit more of a bump but full doubling probably is overkill there

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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/04 04:20:31 (permalink)
    My GPUZ LOG Show 468W

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    3090 ftw3 ultra pulls 460W at 106% maxed V slider furmark full load

    I just checked GPU-Z, and with the OC VBIOS selected it says 450. It was 440 on the other VBIOS. 3090 FTW3 Ultra owner here.




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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/04 05:34:27 (permalink)
    Just got a 850w for this
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/04 06:59:21 (permalink)
    Waiting for KPE's VBIOS
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/04 07:06:42 (permalink)
    Just got a 850w for a 3090
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/04 16:05:34 (permalink)
    should be easy flashing the kingpin bios onto a ftw3.
    Whats problematic is flashing another manufacturers bios.  Keeping it in the family tends to make it go much more smoothly
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/04 16:51:48 (permalink)
    IMHO the nominal power limits on Ampere are a bit softer than Turing, in that Ampere can peak harder and spend more time above the limit.
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/04 17:54:12 (permalink)
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    IMHO the nominal power limits on Ampere are a bit softer than Turing, in that Ampere can peak harder and spend more time above the limit.




    I'd agree with that

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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/05 17:02:31 (permalink)
    What would be the real world fps differences between FE and FTW3 at 4k? 750w psu and an overclocked i7 9700k. I want stable boost clocks, but I wouldn't want to spend the extra $ if the fps gain is only 2 to 3 fps on average.
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/05 18:22:50 (permalink)
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    What would be the real world fps differences between FE and FTW3 at 4k? 750w psu and an overclocked i7 9700k. I want stable boost clocks, but I wouldn't want to spend the extra $ if the fps gain is only 2 to 3 fps on average.



    Depends on the game, depends on if you are going to overclock. If you aren't going to try and overclock there won't be much difference. If you do overclock, you'll see anywhere form 5 to 10% difference depending on how much you won the silicon lottery. That also really depends on if you overclocked the CPU and if you are running 4K (1440P and under and you are bottlenecked by the CPU to a greater or lesser extent even with the fastest overclocked CPU).
     
    If you have to ask this question, may I suggest you look at purchasing a G-Sync (and not G-Sync Compatible) monitor so it won't matter?
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    Re: 3090 Power Limits? 2020/10/07 10:09:26 (permalink)
    I have a 2080TI FTW ULTRA, my card lists voltage as the limiting factor. Is this something bad or would this be the preferred situation? I have an 850W EVGA Gold power supply and am soon to be a 3090 owner.
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