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2020/09/22 10:34:29 (permalink)
Apparently the 24th, 6AM PST the same time as cards go on sale. Le Sigh.

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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 10:37:51 (permalink)
    that should be the first sign that the 3090 isnt going to impress anyone

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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 10:40:50 (permalink)
    Everyone beating the same drum: "It should have been 40% Faster!"
    Like we haven't seen this from EVERY Titan-ish card since....ever. Still trying to use that FPS per Dollar math on the Mondo cards. They never learn.
    Same people who keep saying "OMG will there be a Ti?!?"
    Of course there will be. And as usual, they will be just a smidge behind these. Time = money, and you can spend money to have the beast now, or the just slightly less beastly much, much later. Pattern recognition is one of the defining traits of Homo Sapiens. Crazy how many humans lack it.

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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 10:54:32 (permalink)

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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 10:56:37 (permalink)
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    Everyone beating the same drum: "It should have been 40% Faster!"
    Like we haven't seen this from EVERY Titan-ish card since....ever. Still trying to use that FPS per Dollar math on the Mondo cards. They never learn.
    Same people who keep saying "OMG will there be a Ti?!?"
    Of course there will be. And as usual, they will be just a smidge behind these. Time = money, and you can spend money to have the beast now, or the just slightly less beastly much, much later. Pattern recognition is one of the defining traits of Homo Sapiens. Crazy how many humans lack it.




    Yeah, the 3090 isn't the Titan, it's the 80 Ti @ $1800 from EVGouge 
     
     

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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 10:59:33 (permalink)
    If the 3090 is 10% better than the 3080, where could they possibly slot the 3080 ti in performance wise? Like is the 3090 the best we will see from nvidia for this generation for gaming? Not value just fps
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 11:00:24 (permalink)
    Same principle that movie studios use for crappy movies...can't read the reviews until the day the movie come out.

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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 11:18:49 (permalink)
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    If the 3090 is 10% better than the 3080, where could they possibly slot the 3080 ti in performance wise? Like is the 3090 the best we will see from nvidia for this generation for gaming? Not value just fps

    they could do a 3080ti with 20GB GPU mem
    maybe clock the mem a tad bit like they did with the 2080 Super
    maybe toss it a couple extra SMs
     
    then they could launch the 3080"ti" or "Super" or whatever they want to call it priced between the 3080 and 3090 with performance between the two. they can charge more for the double memory, but it wont necessarily make the card faster in terms of FPS or compute where you're not VRAM constrained.
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 11:21:00 (permalink)
    But how will they slide between the two if they are already so close? 10% away from 3090 to 3080. So a 3080 ti will be 5% better with 20 gigs of vram? This all doesn't quite add up to me. The delta in performance down the product stack makes zero sense. Its almost like the 3080 is too good if that was their plan.

    Side note:
    Is there anything they could do to the 3090 to make it better from a hardware standpoint? 3090 ti? What would that even look like? The 3090 seems maxed out on everything already.
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 11:32:03 (permalink)
    Zalavaaris
    But how will they slide between the two if they are already so close? 10% away from 3090 to 3080. So a 3080 ti will be 5% better with 20 gigs of vram? This all doesn't quite add up to me. The delta in performance down the product stack makes zero sense. Its almost like the 3080 is too good if that was their plan.

    Side note:
    Is there anything they could do to the 3090 to make it better from a hardware standpoint? 3090 ti? What would that even look like? The 3090 seems maxed out on everything already.


    What could they do? Pretty simple actually. They could wait until Q1 and use 23/g 2gig memory modules, get about 15% more performance than they're currently getting. Are they actually going to do that? Probably not.
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 11:52:26 (permalink)
    the 3090 isnt maxed out. theres still a few SMs disabled.
     
    they could release a "full-die" card and call it a Titan, like they have in the past. Nvidia didnt call this card the "Titan" probably to leave the door open for that sku if they wanted to release it. they implied that the 3090 is "Titan-class", which is not the same as calling it a Titan replacement. Marketing is magical.
     
    I'm fairly convinced they will release a Titan for the extra lulz. why not? they have some breathing room. to beef it up a little. $2500 for full die and 24GB VRAM. would be very similar to the 2080ti vs Titan RTX situation. the titan RTX is only barely faster than a 2080ti since it only has a few more SMs, and the price spread is similar.
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 12:04:00 (permalink)
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    the 3090 isnt maxed out. theres still a few SMs disabled.
     
    they could release a "full-die" card and call it a Titan, like they have in the past. Nvidia didnt call this card the "Titan" probably to leave the door open for that sku if they wanted to release it. they implied that the 3090 is "Titan-class", which is not the same as calling it a Titan replacement. Marketing is magical.
     
    I'm fairly convinced they will release a Titan for the extra lulz. why not? they have some breathing room. to beef it up a little. $2500 for full die and 24GB VRAM. would be very similar to the 2080ti vs Titan RTX situation. the titan RTX is only barely faster than a 2080ti since it only has a few more SMs, and the price spread is similar.




    This is what I had a suspicion was going to happen. Right now my out-the-door price is almost $2100. Half tempted to wait it out and grab the eventual actual titan release. 
    RDR 2 4K Maxed 66fps? Nah, give me that RDR 2 4K Maxed 72fps. 

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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 12:21:47 (permalink)
    I think what's upsetting everyone is that this is advertised as an 8k 60fps card.  If the performance jump is only ~20%max over a 3080, it doesn't seem reasonable to assume it can push 8k at 60fps without sacrificing a ton.  I'm sure the 3080 can push 8k 60fps easily with RTX if a game was rendering in low wireframe mode (just to making a point).  

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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 12:22:58 (permalink)
    My hype for this release of Ampere has been stamped down significantly... if I didn't need a new GPU for the new rig I'm building I would happily sit this one out.


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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 12:24:11 (permalink)
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    that should be the first sign that the 3090 isnt going to impress anyone


    I think the first sign was that they wouldn't show performance slides for it during the reveal lol.
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 12:34:18 (permalink)
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    I think what's upsetting everyone is that this is advertised as an 8k 60fps card.  



    Only with DLSS and upscaling from 1440p... As a result it only has to be just that much faster than the 3080 at 1440p and then have enough ram to handle the 8k portion.
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 12:36:23 (permalink)
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    I think what's upsetting everyone is that this is advertised as an 8k 60fps card.  If the performance jump is only ~20%max over a 3080, it doesn't seem reasonable to assume it can push 8k at 60fps without sacrificing a ton.  I'm sure the 3080 can push 8k 60fps easily with RTX if a game was rendering in low wireframe mode (just to making a point).  



    that shouldn’t be confusing anyone, it’s not a 8K 60fps raw/native, it’s an 8K 60fps with DLSS 2.1, which will render around 4K.
     
    it’s proven it can do that without any issues... so no BS there.
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 12:58:57 (permalink)
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    I think what's upsetting everyone is that this is advertised as an 8k 60fps card.  If the performance jump is only ~20%max over a 3080, it doesn't seem reasonable to assume it can push 8k at 60fps without sacrificing a ton.  I'm sure the 3080 can push 8k 60fps easily with RTX if a game was rendering in low wireframe mode (just to making a point).  



    that shouldn’t be confusing anyone, it’s not a 8K 60fps raw/native, it’s an 8K 60fps with DLSS 2.1, which will render around 4K.
     
    it’s proven it can do that without any issues... so no BS there.


    Nvidia stated with RTX on though.  Almost all the benchmarks have shown performance with RTX On and DLSS 2 On is relatively equal to Native Resolution.  If the 3090 can't do 8K raw/native at 60fps, then it sure can't do 8K with RTX and DLSS On.  Maybe with Only DLSS on, but that's not what they advertised unless they are going for that 1 game that can pull it off, which is basically a farce.  

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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 13:11:45 (permalink)
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    Everyone beating the same drum: "It should have been 40% Faster!"
    Like we haven't seen this from EVERY Titan-ish card since....ever. Still trying to use that FPS per Dollar math on the Mondo cards. They never learn.
    Same people who keep saying "OMG will there be a Ti?!?"
    Of course there will be. And as usual, they will be just a smidge behind these. Time = money, and you can spend money to have the beast now, or the just slightly less beastly much, much later. Pattern recognition is one of the defining traits of Homo Sapiens. Crazy how many humans lack it.



    I'm coming around to this way of thinking myself.  Get a 3080 soon-ish and have buyers remorse in a few months when the Ti/S variant releases or just go 3090 now and not worry about it.  Not caring about the value proposition or anything else.  I set aside $3k for this upgrade before we knew pricing.  I've spent about $500 on loop upgrades to accommodate it so still have $2500 left.  Might as well go 3090 from the start.
     
    What is the chance Nvidia releases a 3090Ti in the future?
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 20:06:11 (permalink)
    From all the leaks so far honestly this 3090 is going to be 10%-15% over the 3080 on average. Hella not worth for the money.
     
    But then again, reviews are almost out so we'll see.
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 20:10:19 (permalink)
    More interested in the 3080 Super.
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/22 21:52:51 (permalink)
    I am looking at it and going 25% is about the average generation leap for NVIDIA. So if the 3090 is around that point it’s like buying a 4080 and not having to worry about an upgrade for like four or five years until the 5080 comes out. Even then you probably could hold off another generation.

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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/23 02:50:24 (permalink)
    Everyone is so sure it's gonna be 10% faster, but I doubt it.
    Those "leaks" could be fake, they could be "semi-real" since it's possible they didn't have access to the unreleased drivers that would take full advantage of the unreleased card.
     
    Price-wise, the gap between a 3080 and a 3090 is huge and I'm sure they left this gap to counter AMD after they show their hand with something that'll be "just enough" better in performarne with slightly worse performance/$ than AMD's offering.
    To have only a 10% performance gap between the 3080 and 3090 would make no sense. I believe it'll be 20% at worst, leaving space for a 900$~1000$ card that'll be 10% faster than a 3080 and with something like 12GB of memory.
     
    As a consumer, I really hope the performance is like 30%-35% though, which would be realistic but I doubt it'll come true in FE at least... the reason being that the 3090 has 20% more CUDA cores and 25% more memory bandwidth. Only if the TDP is pushed more than a 3080 can be pushed we'll see something like 30% more performance.
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/23 03:25:12 (permalink)
    Linus has posted a video of him playing games on an 8K OLED using a 3090.


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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/23 04:24:00 (permalink)
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    Apparently the 24th, 6AM PST the same time as cards go on sale. Le Sigh.
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    It's almost as if NVidia want us to make an uninformed decision when buying - and they know we can't take time to check the legit reviews first because the bots will buy all the stock up in minutes. This is on NVidia btw, not EVGA. Coming close to convincing me to wait for a 3080 Super/Ti, or just stick with my $1,500 EVGA RTX 2080 TI FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID GAMING GPU which almost halved in value overnight... 
     
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/23 05:01:23 (permalink)

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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/23 06:06:06 (permalink)
    I can't believe they are holding the reviews till launch, that's crazy. They know they will sell out before people even have a chance to read the reviews lol!
    I mean realistically it's going to be the fastest card out, so it can't disappoint in that area but the price is cringe worth for the performance gain.
     
    Hopefully this is a true TiTAN replacement for users that need it. At the moment I just see it as a 8K gaming model of a 3080 lol.
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/23 06:11:07 (permalink)
    Bots don't care about reviews LOL.
    They will likely be the only ones getting cards ordered tomorrow.

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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/23 06:15:03 (permalink)
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    It's almost as if NVidia want us to make an uninformed decision when buying - and they know we can't take time to check the legit reviews first because the bots will buy all the stock up in minutes. This is on NVidia btw, not EVGA. Coming close to convincing me to wait for a 3080 Super/Ti, or just stick with my $1,500 EVGA RTX 2080 TI FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID GAMING GPU which almost halved in value overnight... 



    I would keep my 2080ti if I was you.
    After people realise they won't be able to buy a 2080/3090 for a long time and the buy price will be higher than MSRP... oh and not only that but 3090 seems to be less impressive than many people would hope, so the 2080ti won't look as bad in comparison as it looks now (before the 3090 launches) and you should be able to sell it for more in the near future.
    But when AMD also launches their cards and the stock starts building up, then its price will drop again.
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    Re: 3090 NDA Lift Time 2020/09/23 06:17:52 (permalink)
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    Bots don't care about reviews LOL.
    They will likely be the only ones getting cards ordered tomorrow.


    Not buying anything immediately without any reviews before the 3090 is released, I'll be sitting back watching the Bots have at it.

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