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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/27 19:27:19 (permalink)
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Yeah, I mean they will be releasing a 3080 20G, but with the small performance differentiation between 3080 and 3090, it would make sense for Nvidia to focus on like a 3090 Super or ti.




Given the current power consumption of the 3090, I'm not sure Nvidia has any room to boost the CUDA core count or clock frequencies of the 3090 (aka a 3090 Ti). I think all they could do is release a card with faster memory (aka 3090 Super) at some point in the future when GDDR6X is standardized or offers more bandwidth. 
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/27 19:31:29 (permalink)
I think at that level of card people care less about power consumption and just want the best of the best. I could see Nvidia creating a larger die and pcb to increase cores and vram even further.
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/27 19:58:21 (permalink)
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I think at that level of card people care less about power consumption and just want the best of the best. I could see Nvidia creating a larger die and pcb to increase cores and vram even further.



Yes, I could see them doing this as well. I mean, given the blunder of the 3080 and 3090 launches, and if AMD has smooth launch and competitive product, I think the pressure is on Nvidia again to try establish some sort of dominance. It is pretty much the only think (besides more stable drivers) that they are holding on to. Seems AMD might be able to offer competitive pricing, and if performance matches, could absolutely steal some of the market from Nvidia.


 
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/27 21:09:51 (permalink)
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I think at that level of card people care less about power consumption and just want the best of the best. I could see Nvidia creating a larger die and pcb to increase cores and vram even further.



While you may be correct, I've seen nothing concrete that indicates Nvidia will release anything beyond the 3090.
 
The typical sources that have leaked everything we knew about Ampere months ago have said nothing of a 3090 Ti, and they've implied that the 3090 is the best Nvidia's got until Hopper arrives. Given that, the best I can see is a 3090 Super that includes better memory modules that can (a) clock higher (b) actually double GDDR6 like Micron attempted to do with GDDR6X or (c) both.
 
The reason I pointed out the power consumption is power in equals heat out. If more power is drawn, then more heat must be dissipated.
 
As it stands, the 3090 is already pushing the power limit of the PCIe+2x8pin connector which maxes out at 375W. The fact that Nvidia is moving towards their new 12-pin power connector is a good indication that the 3090 is power-limited at 375W. You can pull 525W if you add another 8-pin connector, like the 2080 Ti Kingpin, or 675W once power supplies support Nvidia's new 12-ping connector. However, given that Nvidia is using a new $150 3-slot heatsink is a good indication that 400W is near the limit of air-cooling through a PCIe card slot, and you'll need an all water-cooled or hybrid solution to dissipate any more power. 
 
 
In other words, I would not bet that Nvidia will release a higher clocked 3090 or a 3090 Ti.
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/28 07:58:49 (permalink)
Soooo the 360mm aio on the KP should do the trick?
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/28 08:04:54 (permalink)
Yup.. i've been thinking eventually all cards will be released with an aio. Guess next time with the 4000 series.

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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/28 08:36:07 (permalink)
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Soooo the 360mm aio on the KP should do the trick?




The 360mm on the Kingpin is probably a bit overkill (purposefully) because the KP is a hybrid that also includes a 1-slot air-cooler.
 
You can generally dissipate about 200W per 120mm rad, depending on the fan(s) you're using, so the KP should have a bit of extra head-room as a hybrid with a 360 rad + air-cooler. But extra isn't bad, as it also means the fans don't have to work as hard, which means that the KP will be quieter than other solutions even when the GPU is running at higher freqs. The down-side is that a hybrid with a 360mm rad with push+pull fans will be large and heavy.
 
But, since most people find excessive fan noise to be stressful over long periods and the 360mm rad on the 3090 KP has 50% more cooling than a 240mm rad, it should help to keep both fan noise and temperatures down and GPU/memory freqs up. 
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/28 08:46:06 (permalink)
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You can generally dissipate about 200W per 120mm rad




Rule of thumb for some time now has been 100w per 120mm rad since that takes into account of low FPI and low speed fans for lower audibles.  (I believe Martin did a test on this to prove as such.)
 
For 200w per 120mm rad, I'd say that's something in the ball park of a 30 FPI rad (High), more thickness and 3K screamers which the custom cooling community has distanced itself with from 10-15+ years ago.  
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/28 08:51:38 (permalink)
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gimeno
 
You can generally dissipate about 200W per 120mm rad




Rule of thumb for some time now has been 100w per 120mm rad since that takes into account of low FPI and low speed fans for lower audibles.
 
For 200w per 120mm rad, I'd say that's something in the ball park of a 30 FPI rad (High), more thickness and 3K screamers which the custom cooling community has distanced itself with from 10-15+ years ago.  




Gotcha!
 
I hadn't heard the 100W/120mm rule, but I knew more rad directly relates to lower fan noise. I only knew about 200W/120mm at max fan speed, which I also know is quite annoying to work around. 
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/28 18:19:45 (permalink)
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Nice. Yeah, I'm planning on upgrading to an rtx 3080 to see how it performs for my needs and potentially stepping up to the 3090 or 3090ti depending on that. Feel like because these cards are so hot right now you could sell it and upgrade to the ti even if you miss the step up window.



That sounds like a good plan. I had been considering that as well. Been going back and forth if I want to do a 3080 or 3090 and do step up program. I haven't done it in a while, do they just have you pay the difference of the cards, right? (Like if you did step up from 3080 to 3090, it would just be the difference of the cost of the card).


Yep, just the difference in cost and the cost of return shipping which is $20-30 depending how fast you want your card. Typically is a couple days of downtime without a card..



Don't we have to pay shipping both ways?
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/28 18:42:41 (permalink)
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With step-up.. do you have to return your card first or do they send you the upgrade first?

You have to send the card first, they receive it process it, que it, and then send it to you. Probably a week or 2 process.


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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/28 23:19:06 (permalink)
now that's so tempting, do you pay for the step up when its ready or when you apply?

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