EVGA_JacobF
There is a HC version planned.

hallowen

EVGA_JacobF
There is a HC version planned.

I'm willing to bet that's going to be costly. 

ShawnB420
How much better is an kingpin vs say the OCX model when overclocked, flashed to the same or least higher power limit bios and under water?
How much of a FPS increase is it?

kring
I have the 2080 TI Kingpin - its not any faster or more stable than any of the other cards. You get 2125mhz gpu & 8000mhz Mem. I’ve see a lot of cards that have no trouble running at or close to this speed that are half the price. I was happy with the KingPin and the 240mm cooler... but the reality is KingPins are not anything special - same specs, same performance. Comes with a better cooler than stock but that’s a cheap addition.

I expect KingPin 3090 to be same as reference but with 360mm cooler...

kring
I should have used a quote as my response was directed at shawn asking how much better the kingpin is.

There are really two answers:
1- its actually not any better for gaming. All specs identical to reference.
2- its custom design & binned parts raise its ceiling a hair for benchmarking. Intended more for this than playing games, so it will by far have the greatest potential for overclocking on LN2. But even in these cases you will only net negligible FPS because its limited to the identical GPU and Memory architecture of any 2080 Ti.

If you just want to play games, its flat out unjustifiable. I have one, love it, don’t regret it, I never took it a part to do LN2 and won’t. So its nothing more than a good 240mm hybrid with same specs and overclocking results. Some say I was probably a waste of a perfectly good kingpin... maybe... but I still was very happy with it.

ShawnB420
Will the Hydrocopper be a separate model released at the same time or after the hybrid?
 
In reality since these sell out so fast I'll have to grab whatever model comes out first hybrid or not and hope to slap a block on it otherwise I risk not getting one at all. I know there's no pre-orders for the new cards but since the Kingpin will be a later release does that mean possible pre-orders for it?

aldur80

GTXJackBauer
Kingpin isn't just a gaming GPU, it's designed for earth shattering benchmarks.  That's if the user knows what they're doing.  You want to just game, I wouldn't recommend a Kingpin but if you want to bench sky high and game, than the Kingpin is for you or just for bragging rights or as a GPU collector since they are a limited run.  The GPU is special and his it's own right.  They were designed to run on LN2, which is where it really shines, not on air or water, etc.

Also, the Kingpin is far from a reference design.  It's on a custom PCB with a customized and personlized VRM section of it's own no other reference design has and comes close.  

I came to the forums today to find this exact answer. I was thinking about getting the 3090 kingpin, which I would use strictly for gaming, but I wondered if it would be of any benefit over the 3090 hybrid or 3090 FTW3. From the sounds of it, for my use case, it would be smart to go with the 3090 hybrid or the 3090 FTW3 instead of the 3090 kingpin.

aldur80

GTXJackBauer
Kingpin isn't just a gaming GPU, it's designed for earth shattering benchmarks.  That's if the user knows what they're doing.  You want to just game, I wouldn't recommend a Kingpin but if you want to bench sky high and game, than the Kingpin is for you or just for bragging rights or as a GPU collector since they are a limited run.  The GPU is special and his it's own right.  They were designed to run on LN2, which is where it really shines, not on air or water, etc.

Also, the Kingpin is far from a reference design.  It's on a custom PCB with a customized and personlized VRM section of it's own no other reference design has and comes close.  

I came to the forums today to find this exact answer. I was thinking about getting the 3090 kingpin, which I would use strictly for gaming, but I wondered if it would be of any benefit over the 3090 hybrid or 3090 FTW3. From the sounds of it, for my use case, it would be smart to go with the 3090 hybrid or the 3090 FTW3 instead of the 3090 kingpin.

kring
I have the 2080 TI Kingpin - its not any faster or more stable than any of the other cards. You get 2125mhz gpu & 8000mhz Mem. I’ve see a lot of cards that have no trouble running at or close to this speed that are half the price. I was happy with the KingPin and the 240mm cooler... but the reality is KingPins are not anything special - same specs, same performance. Comes with a better cooler than stock but that’s a cheap addition.

TiN_EE
To end the speculation on GPU binning - yes, the chips that go into these KPE are cherry picked. Every single one of them. 
 
We wanted to make all KPE cards behave very nice, especially with OC. We don't advertise specific XXXX MHz clock, because there are multiple performance criteria on RTX TU102 GPUs and it's not all black and white like on 1080Ti or previous generation chips. As somebody mentioned earlier - keep an eye on performance results, not just raw frequency. 
  
Combined with hybrid cooler, better VRM w/o bogged power limiting and Samsung memory, these should easily give out of the box results that otherwise on other cards may require HC blocks, hours if not days of fiddling with settings and big GPU lottery luck.
 
I'll post technical guide this week with bit more detail on this topic, as well as KPE corks and features.

Exnetic

flyingtoaster85

kring
I have the 2080 TI Kingpin - its not any faster or more stable than any of the other cards. You get 2125mhz gpu & 8000mhz Mem. I’ve see a lot of cards that have no trouble running at or close to this speed that are half the price. I was happy with the KingPin and the 240mm cooler... but the reality is KingPins are not anything special - same specs, same performance. Comes with a better cooler than stock but that’s a cheap addition.

Actually
 

TiN_EE
To end the speculation on GPU binning - yes, the chips that go into these KPE are cherry picked. Every single one of them. 
 
We wanted to make all KPE cards behave very nice, especially with OC. We don't advertise specific XXXX MHz clock, because there are multiple performance criteria on RTX TU102 GPUs and it's not all black and white like on 1080Ti or previous generation chips. As somebody mentioned earlier - keep an eye on performance results, not just raw frequency. 
  
Combined with hybrid cooler, better VRM w/o bogged power limiting and Samsung memory, these should easily give out of the box results that otherwise on other cards may require HC blocks, hours if not days of fiddling with settings and big GPU lottery luck.
 
I'll post technical guide this week with bit more detail on this topic, as well as KPE corks and features.

 
And how are you getting 2125 core? I see it jump between 2115, 2130, and 2145 in 15 mhz increments. And only 8000 mem on a KPE???

The jumping on a card is when temp is to high so it downclocks auto, or power target,    For me on my 2080Ti ftw3 with shunt mod Im stable at 2145 no jumping under 40c or higher above 2160 if the temps are lower

ejaworsk
Im wondering if a 3090 kingpin @ $2500 would be preferable to 2 x 3090  @ $3000 in SLI (or whatever they call it)?

HawkOculus

ejaworsk
Im wondering if a 3090 kingpin @ $2500 would be preferable to 2 x 3090  @ $3000 in SLI (or whatever they call it)?

If you’re talking about for gaming, then SLI is essentially dead with the 30 series:

https://nvidia.custhelp.c...tive-game-integrations

Unless you have some specific use case where SLI is needed for some task other than gaming, it’s a waste of time and money.

Also - if you have no interest in doing true XOC on the 30 series then the Kingpin is just not worth it.

kring
I have the 2080 TI Kingpin - its not any faster or more stable than any of the other cards. You get 2125mhz gpu & 8000mhz Mem. I’ve see a lot of cards that have no trouble running at or close to this speed that are half the price. I was happy with the KingPin and the 240mm cooler... but the reality is KingPins are not anything special - same specs, same performance. Comes with a better cooler than stock but that’s a cheap addition.

I expect KingPin 3090 to be same as reference but with 360mm cooler...