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2020/09/03 15:12:17 (permalink)
Is there any way to remove the AIO & slap a waterblock on it?  Trying to decide between it and the 3090 with the HC block already installed.  I know no one but EVGA knows, but in the past have folks chose to add the Kingpin into a loop?




 
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/03 15:17:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Topless_Stang 2020/09/03 15:47:29
There is a HC version planned.


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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/03 15:41:20 (permalink)
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There is a HC version planned.


Thanks Jacob.  I get that there probably isn't a timetable for that release, but it is imperative that I purchase it this year for tax purposes.  I'm assuming based around that need that I need to jump on whatever is available at launch, so is there going to be a way to upgrade a regular KP into the HC version?  I understand if you are unable to answer due to stuff possibly being in flux.  I just know last time that there was a release date but it kept getting pushed & the 2xxx series KP didn't come out 7 months after release of the original lineup.




 
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/03 16:10:05 (permalink)
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There is a HC version planned.


I'm willing to bet that's going to be costly. 

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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/03 16:57:22 (permalink)
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There is a HC version planned.


I'm willing to bet that's going to be costly. 


Kingpins are definitely going to be expensive. The aio version was 700 over 2080 Ti FE. Add 700 to $1500 = $2200 

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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/03 20:28:03 (permalink)
How much better is an kingpin vs say the OCX model when overclocked, flashed to the same or least higher power limit bios and under water?
How much of a FPS increase is it?
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/04 06:43:47 (permalink)
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How much better is an kingpin vs say the OCX model when overclocked, flashed to the same or least higher power limit bios and under water?
How much of a FPS increase is it?



The Kingpin is basically only limited to its user. You can overclock that bad boy so as long as you give it the power.
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/04 17:55:38 (permalink)
I have the 2080 TI Kingpin - its not any faster or more stable than any of the other cards. You get 2125mhz gpu & 8000mhz Mem. I’ve see a lot of cards that have no trouble running at or close to this speed that are half the price. I was happy with the KingPin and the 240mm cooler... but the reality is KingPins are not anything special - same specs, same performance. Comes with a better cooler than stock but that’s a cheap addition.

I expect KingPin 3090 to be same as reference but with 360mm cooler...
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/04 22:57:04 (permalink)
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I have the 2080 TI Kingpin - its not any faster or more stable than any of the other cards. You get 2125mhz gpu & 8000mhz Mem. I’ve see a lot of cards that have no trouble running at or close to this speed that are half the price. I was happy with the KingPin and the 240mm cooler... but the reality is KingPins are not anything special - same specs, same performance. Comes with a better cooler than stock but that’s a cheap addition.

I expect KingPin 3090 to be same as reference but with 360mm cooler...



Kingpin isn't just a gaming GPU, it's designed for earth shattering benchmarks.  That's if the user knows what they're doing.  You want to just game, I wouldn't recommend a Kingpin but if you want to bench sky high and game, than the Kingpin is for you or just for bragging rights or as a GPU collector since they are a limited run.  The GPU is special and is in it's own right.  They were designed to run on LN2, which is where it really shines, not on air or water, etc.

Also, the Kingpin is far from a reference design.  It's on a custom PCB with a customized and personlized VRM section of it's own no other reference design has and comes close.  
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/04 23:23:37 (permalink)
I want it... :)
 
I hope it is not delayed for too long. You can still justify the price with a waterblock setup as the Chip bin is hand picked and its the top of the bin in quality. It is a benchmark / LN2 driven card, that is 100% true, but you can clock these cards to be the highest FPS cards of their breed.
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/05 00:43:58 (permalink)
Will the Hydrocopper be a separate model released at the same time or after the hybrid?
 
In reality since these sell out so fast I'll have to grab whatever model comes out first hybrid or not and hope to slap a block on it otherwise I risk not getting one at all. I know there's no pre-orders for the new cards but since the Kingpin will be a later release does that mean possible pre-orders for it?
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/05 03:53:51 (permalink)
I should have used a quote as my response was directed at shawn asking how much better the kingpin is.

There are really two answers:
1- its actually not any better for gaming. All specs identical to reference.
2- its custom design & binned parts raise its ceiling a hair for benchmarking. Intended more for this than playing games, so it will by far have the greatest potential for overclocking on LN2. But even in these cases you will only net negligible FPS because its limited to the identical GPU and Memory architecture of any 2080 Ti.

If you just want to play games, its flat out unjustifiable. I have one, love it, don’t regret it, I never took it a part to do LN2 and won’t. So its nothing more than a good 240mm hybrid with same specs and overclocking results. Some say I was probably a waste of a perfectly good kingpin... maybe... but I still was very happy with it.
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/05 04:19:16 (permalink)
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I should have used a quote as my response was directed at shawn asking how much better the kingpin is.

There are really two answers:
1- its actually not any better for gaming. All specs identical to reference.
2- its custom design & binned parts raise its ceiling a hair for benchmarking. Intended more for this than playing games, so it will by far have the greatest potential for overclocking on LN2. But even in these cases you will only net negligible FPS because its limited to the identical GPU and Memory architecture of any 2080 Ti.

If you just want to play games, its flat out unjustifiable. I have one, love it, don’t regret it, I never took it a part to do LN2 and won’t. So its nothing more than a good 240mm hybrid with same specs and overclocking results. Some say I was probably a waste of a perfectly good kingpin... maybe... but I still was very happy with it.



I like your comment ...  I've Kingpin when i use LN2 pc will restart automatically  its only same performance with everything but larger and bigger PCB for gaming won't effect .
So IDK ... ppll.. ahh
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/05 07:25:52 (permalink)
I had the first gen kingpin, the 780 ti version, that said I don't do heavy overclocking and wouldn't get another because of that.
I do wonder if it'll be released this year, If I recall correctly, the kingpin version can have a pretty big delay behind the release date of reference version of a card. Still, the fact that they already have pictures of it may mean it's not that far off.


 
 
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/05 07:37:38 (permalink)
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Will the Hydrocopper be a separate model released at the same time or after the hybrid?
 
In reality since these sell out so fast I'll have to grab whatever model comes out first hybrid or not and hope to slap a block on it otherwise I risk not getting one at all. I know there's no pre-orders for the new cards but since the Kingpin will be a later release does that mean possible pre-orders for it?


We don't know, we don't have block compatibility for any EVGA PCB yet, we don't know :-)
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/05 07:50:59 (permalink)
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Kingpin isn't just a gaming GPU, it's designed for earth shattering benchmarks.  That's if the user knows what they're doing.  You want to just game, I wouldn't recommend a Kingpin but if you want to bench sky high and game, than the Kingpin is for you or just for bragging rights or as a GPU collector since they are a limited run.  The GPU is special and his it's own right.  They were designed to run on LN2, which is where it really shines, not on air or water, etc.

Also, the Kingpin is far from a reference design.  It's on a custom PCB with a customized and personlized VRM section of it's own no other reference design has and comes close.  


I came to the forums today to find this exact answer. I was thinking about getting the 3090 kingpin, which I would use strictly for gaming, but I wondered if it would be of any benefit over the 3090 hybrid or 3090 FTW3. From the sounds of it, for my use case, it would be smart to go with the 3090 hybrid or the 3090 FTW3 instead of the 3090 kingpin.
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/05 07:52:30 (permalink)
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Kingpin isn't just a gaming GPU, it's designed for earth shattering benchmarks.  That's if the user knows what they're doing.  You want to just game, I wouldn't recommend a Kingpin but if you want to bench sky high and game, than the Kingpin is for you or just for bragging rights or as a GPU collector since they are a limited run.  The GPU is special and his it's own right.  They were designed to run on LN2, which is where it really shines, not on air or water, etc.

Also, the Kingpin is far from a reference design.  It's on a custom PCB with a customized and personlized VRM section of it's own no other reference design has and comes close.  


I came to the forums today to find this exact answer. I was thinking about getting the 3090 kingpin, which I would use strictly for gaming, but I wondered if it would be of any benefit over the 3090 hybrid or 3090 FTW3. From the sounds of it, for my use case, it would be smart to go with the 3090 hybrid or the 3090 FTW3 instead of the 3090 kingpin.


Or the HC.
Yeah the KP is really for _very_ enthusiastic overclocker.
It's probably not worth the wait or the extra cost for most people :-)
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/05 08:36:37 (permalink)
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I should have used a quote as my response was directed at shawn asking how much better the kingpin is.

There are really two answers:
1- its actually not any better for gaming. All specs identical to reference.
2- its custom design & binned parts raise its ceiling a hair for benchmarking. Intended more for this than playing games, so it will by far have the greatest potential for overclocking on LN2. But even in these cases you will only net negligible FPS because its limited to the identical GPU and Memory architecture of any 2080 Ti.

If you just want to play games, its flat out unjustifiable. I have one, love it, don’t regret it, I never took it a part to do LN2 and won’t. So its nothing more than a good 240mm hybrid with same specs and overclocking results. Some say I was probably a waste of a perfectly good kingpin... maybe... but I still was very happy with it.



This is kind of not true, I frequent the 2080 Ti thread over at overclock.net and 2080 Ti Kingpin cards tend to be capable of another 100 MHz up and over a non-binned card, everything else being equal (temps, voltage etc.), this works out to around 5% performance difference in the grand scheme of things, it may not be worth it to you, but there are people who are even more hardcore enthusiasts than myself (I'm springing for the 3090) for whom that additional 5% is worth the price premium. Additionally, Kingpin cards are hands down the best built PCB with the best components, VRM and cooling. They use copper heat-sinks instead of aluminum, they are truly the nicest, best cards, but they are expensive. They are for diehard enthusiasts and their use range isn't limited to LN2 overclocking. People who use these for gaming are running them at 2200-2250 MHz, to say nothing of the memory (Samsung B Die) and they even have an extended voltage range (1.1v if I remember correctly). 
 
 

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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/06 07:04:15 (permalink)
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Kingpin isn't just a gaming GPU, it's designed for earth shattering benchmarks.  That's if the user knows what they're doing.  You want to just game, I wouldn't recommend a Kingpin but if you want to bench sky high and game, than the Kingpin is for you or just for bragging rights or as a GPU collector since they are a limited run.  The GPU is special and his it's own right.  They were designed to run on LN2, which is where it really shines, not on air or water, etc.

Also, the Kingpin is far from a reference design.  It's on a custom PCB with a customized and personlized VRM section of it's own no other reference design has and comes close.  


I came to the forums today to find this exact answer. I was thinking about getting the 3090 kingpin, which I would use strictly for gaming, but I wondered if it would be of any benefit over the 3090 hybrid or 3090 FTW3. From the sounds of it, for my use case, it would be smart to go with the 3090 hybrid or the 3090 FTW3 instead of the 3090 kingpin.




Definitely not worth it to get a Kingpin unless you're into XOCing and pushing the card to its limits, a FTW3 would be just as good in an only gaming scenario with likely still have a good amount of OCing headroom.
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/06 10:55:48 (permalink)
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Definitely not worth it to get a Kingpin unless you're into XOCing and pushing the card to its limits, a FTW3 would be just as good in an only gaming scenario with likely still have a good amount of OCing headroom.


Thanks for the input. I do plan on overclocking a bit, but just for gaming, so I'll be shooting for the 3090 hybrid or the 3090 FTW.
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/06 11:46:29 (permalink)
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I have the 2080 TI Kingpin - its not any faster or more stable than any of the other cards. You get 2125mhz gpu & 8000mhz Mem. I’ve see a lot of cards that have no trouble running at or close to this speed that are half the price. I was happy with the KingPin and the 240mm cooler... but the reality is KingPins are not anything special - same specs, same performance. Comes with a better cooler than stock but that’s a cheap addition.


Actually
 
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To end the speculation on GPU binning - yes, the chips that go into these KPE are cherry picked. Every single one of them. 
 
We wanted to make all KPE cards behave very nice, especially with OC. We don't advertise specific XXXX MHz clock, because there are multiple performance criteria on RTX TU102 GPUs and it's not all black and white like on 1080Ti or previous generation chips. As somebody mentioned earlier - keep an eye on performance results, not just raw frequency. 
  
Combined with hybrid cooler, better VRM w/o bogged power limiting and Samsung memory, these should easily give out of the box results that otherwise on other cards may require HC blocks, hours if not days of fiddling with settings and big GPU lottery luck.
 
I'll post technical guide this week with bit more detail on this topic, as well as KPE corks and features.


 
And how are you getting 2125 core? I see it jump between 2115, 2130, and 2145 in 15 mhz increments. And only 8000 mem on a KPE???

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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/06 12:06:50 (permalink)
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I have the 2080 TI Kingpin - its not any faster or more stable than any of the other cards. You get 2125mhz gpu & 8000mhz Mem. I’ve see a lot of cards that have no trouble running at or close to this speed that are half the price. I was happy with the KingPin and the 240mm cooler... but the reality is KingPins are not anything special - same specs, same performance. Comes with a better cooler than stock but that’s a cheap addition.


Actually
 
TiN_EE
To end the speculation on GPU binning - yes, the chips that go into these KPE are cherry picked. Every single one of them. 
 
We wanted to make all KPE cards behave very nice, especially with OC. We don't advertise specific XXXX MHz clock, because there are multiple performance criteria on RTX TU102 GPUs and it's not all black and white like on 1080Ti or previous generation chips. As somebody mentioned earlier - keep an eye on performance results, not just raw frequency. 
  
Combined with hybrid cooler, better VRM w/o bogged power limiting and Samsung memory, these should easily give out of the box results that otherwise on other cards may require HC blocks, hours if not days of fiddling with settings and big GPU lottery luck.
 
I'll post technical guide this week with bit more detail on this topic, as well as KPE corks and features.


 
And how are you getting 2125 core? I see it jump between 2115, 2130, and 2145 in 15 mhz increments. And only 8000 mem on a KPE???


The jumping on a card is when temp is to high so it downclocks auto, or power target,    For me on my 2080Ti ftw3 with shunt mod Im stable at 2145 no jumping under 40c or higher above 2160 if the temps are lower
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/06 12:14:13 (permalink)
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I have the 2080 TI Kingpin - its not any faster or more stable than any of the other cards. You get 2125mhz gpu & 8000mhz Mem. I’ve see a lot of cards that have no trouble running at or close to this speed that are half the price. I was happy with the KingPin and the 240mm cooler... but the reality is KingPins are not anything special - same specs, same performance. Comes with a better cooler than stock but that’s a cheap addition.


Actually
 
TiN_EE
To end the speculation on GPU binning - yes, the chips that go into these KPE are cherry picked. Every single one of them. 
 
We wanted to make all KPE cards behave very nice, especially with OC. We don't advertise specific XXXX MHz clock, because there are multiple performance criteria on RTX TU102 GPUs and it's not all black and white like on 1080Ti or previous generation chips. As somebody mentioned earlier - keep an eye on performance results, not just raw frequency. 
  
Combined with hybrid cooler, better VRM w/o bogged power limiting and Samsung memory, these should easily give out of the box results that otherwise on other cards may require HC blocks, hours if not days of fiddling with settings and big GPU lottery luck.
 
I'll post technical guide this week with bit more detail on this topic, as well as KPE corks and features.


 
And how are you getting 2125 core? I see it jump between 2115, 2130, and 2145 in 15 mhz increments. And only 8000 mem on a KPE???


The jumping on a card is when temp is to high so it downclocks auto, or power target,    For me on my 2080Ti ftw3 with shunt mod Im stable at 2145 no jumping under 40c or higher above 2160 if the temps are lower


No, I’m wondering how kring is getting 2125mhz. I have only seen 2115, 2130, 2145, 2160 etc.

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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/18 08:37:03 (permalink)
Im wondering if a 3090 kingpin @ $2500 would be preferable to 2 x 3090  @ $3000 in SLI (or whatever they call it)?
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/18 08:42:27 (permalink)
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Im wondering if a 3090 kingpin @ $2500 would be preferable to 2 x 3090  @ $3000 in SLI (or whatever they call it)?


If you’re talking about for gaming, then SLI is essentially dead with the 30 series:

https://nvidia.custhelp.c...tive-game-integrations

Unless you have some specific use case where SLI is needed for some task other than gaming, it’s a waste of time and money.

Also - if you have no interest in doing true XOC on the 30 series then the Kingpin is just not worth it.
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/18 08:48:05 (permalink)
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Im wondering if a 3090 kingpin @ $2500 would be preferable to 2 x 3090  @ $3000 in SLI (or whatever they call it)?



Many games don't have good SLI support anymore and you really don't need it for most games. It makes sense to have two GPUs for some non-game uses.
 
The Kingpin has binned chips. I think it might be top 10% of chips. With the better PCB you are more likely to get better core and memory overclock. Also the 360mm radiator will keep temps very low so you can get better stock boost and stable overclocks than most STOCK AIB partner cards.
 
If you aren't using the Kingpin for breaking records, you aren't tapping all of its value. But if cost is no object, the temperature, noise, and performance of the Kingpin 3090 will be better than any STOCK 3090. Can probably expect stock settings with the higher power consumption to be 2-3% higher FPS than most AIB 3090s. Or for the same power, for it to be within 1% but quieter.
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/18 08:48:46 (permalink)
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Im wondering if a 3090 kingpin @ $2500 would be preferable to 2 x 3090  @ $3000 in SLI (or whatever they call it)?


If you’re talking about for gaming, then SLI is essentially dead with the 30 series:

https://nvidia.custhelp.c...tive-game-integrations

Unless you have some specific use case where SLI is needed for some task other than gaming, it’s a waste of time and money.

Also - if you have no interest in doing true XOC on the 30 series then the Kingpin is just not worth it.

IMO, I think SLI was dead with the 2000 series. But without a doubt it's dead with the 3000 series. Stay far away from SLI unless you have a specific application that it works well for. If you want SLI for gaming, stay far away.
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/18 09:06:14 (permalink)
Although priced high, My issue with the card isnt the price
I take issue with how late the card releases in it's life cycle. When the card releases barely a year before the nvidia 4xxx series comes out you become annoyed/think why get a 5% upgrade when you can get a much larger one on next product cycle.
If they were able to release this thing in November or December of this year, they would have an instant sale from me thats for sure 
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/23 04:43:54 (permalink)
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I have the 2080 TI Kingpin - its not any faster or more stable than any of the other cards. You get 2125mhz gpu & 8000mhz Mem. I’ve see a lot of cards that have no trouble running at or close to this speed that are half the price. I was happy with the KingPin and the 240mm cooler... but the reality is KingPins are not anything special - same specs, same performance. Comes with a better cooler than stock but that’s a cheap addition.

I expect KingPin 3090 to be same as reference but with 360mm cooler...

And it will lose all of it's value after a year...2080Ti KP is worth peanuts compared to it's MSRP now and people don't want it because it's difficult to fit a 240 aio where a lot of folks already have an aio on the cpu.
Learned it the hard way, will just buy the cheapest 3090 now...the KP will be unsellable with a 360mm rad and Nvidia already announcing 2x VRAM version of the 3080.
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Re: 3090 KingPin 2020/09/23 04:52:21 (permalink)
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Im wondering if a 3090 kingpin @ $2500 would be preferable to 2 x 3090  @ $3000 in SLI (or whatever they call it)?



Many games don't have good SLI support anymore and you really don't need it for most games. It makes sense to have two GPUs for some non-game uses.
 
The Kingpin has binned chips. I think it might be top 10% of chips. With the better PCB you are more likely to get better core and memory overclock. Also the 360mm radiator will keep temps very low so you can get better stock boost and stable overclocks than most STOCK AIB partner cards.
 
If you aren't using the Kingpin for breaking records, you aren't tapping all of its value. But if cost is no object, the temperature, noise, and performance of the Kingpin 3090 will be better than any STOCK 3090. Can probably expect stock settings with the higher power consumption to be 2-3% higher FPS than most AIB 3090s. Or for the same power, for it to be within 1% but quieter.


If cost is no object then you shouldn’t be using the AIO on the kingpin and rather have a custom loop.
If you can afford the Kingpin you can afford a custom loop and there should be no reason to use an AIO over it
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