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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 10:46:25
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I find that hard to believe for obvious 3080 vs 3090 spec reasons. Maybe drivers? Or it's BS. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 10:55:47
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Memory and JimmyWild I find that hard to believe for obvious 3080 vs 3090 spec reasons. Maybe drivers? Or it's BS. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 11:00:01
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Everyone should take these kinds of "leaks" with a grain of salt. Wait for trusted reviewers to show repeatable results with known methodology before drawing any firm conclusions.
We do not know their testing methodology, etc. Without context and more information benchmarks like that become questionably accurate. Coming from a Chemistry background this stuff is frustrating. It's easy to skew results, even unintentionally, with bad testing methodology. In real science there are controls, methodology is stated up front, repeatable results are what count, and I could go on. Unconscious bias is also a factor. People can skew their own results without even knowing they're doing it. This is why peer review and repeatable results are very important in Science.
For example benchmarks run at 1080p will not show an accurate picture of GPU performance due to CPU bottlenecking that is unavoidable at low resolutions. Are they using the exact same build for every test and controlling for variables? What about driver optimizations?
It was noted how much performance was gained from driver optimization by a least one trusted reviewer(can't remember, think it was GN.) They commented on how they had a moment looking at their old data compared to new data for the 2000 series benchmarks. Would be cool if they showed that comparison in a video so we could see how much driver optimization has improved performance.
Without repeatable results that correlate with each other from independent sources "leaked" benchmarks like that are circumspect at best.
Being a Titan class with high VRAM the 3090 is not meant for gaming as much as it for compute tasks, rendering, editing, encoding w/ NVENC, etc. It could be it's not that big a leap for gaming, but is a bigger gain for work related use cases.
Maybe those benchmarks are accurate, maybe not. The point is in isolation, without other trusted results that correlate, we can not say for sure either way. This is why we wait for trusted reviewers to show results that correlate with each other before jumping to any conclusions.
People want to jump on either extreme and say "oh it sucks" or "oh it's awesome" for various reasons. I've been saying wait for legitimate results that have a high degree of repeatability with known testing methodology, etc.
Be patient please. Wait for benchmarks that can trusted before drawing any conclusions one way or the other.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 11:02:26
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So 7 sources say 20% 1 source which is the same Chinese tech lab that has been caught posting fake numbers in the past is reporting 10% hmmmm
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 11:08:55
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ehabash1 So 7 sources say 20% 1 source which is the same Chinese tech lab that has been caught posting fake numbers in the past is reporting 10% hmmmm
Oh I see now, thanks. Were their leaked 3080 numbers also inaccurate, in your humble opinion?
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 11:11:15
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10% is crap. needs to be at least 15% which it should be if u look at the raw numbers of and compare 3080 to 3090
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 11:16:27
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ehabash1 10% is crap. needs to be at least 15% which it should be if u look at the raw numbers of and compare 3080 to 3090
Oh I see now, thanks.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 11:18:45
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Chinese Tech Lab post fake numbers.. To reduce demand, for it can Bot as many 3090 as it can. Fixed it for you. ;)
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 11:44:46
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When does the 3090 review NDA go off? Is that the 23rd?
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 12:12:02
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DarkTAO When does the 3090 review NDA go off? Is that the 23rd?
Most likely the 23rd. I thought it was supposed to be "14th and 17th" initially for 80 and 90. But because the shipping delays to reviewers, it became 16th for the 80's. I haven't heard ANYTHING regarding the 90's. My best guess is it will be 23rd going off of what happened with 80.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 14:09:32
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Just put him on your blocked lists or just ignore him all together. As to the original posted just wait until the 24th or when ever the reviews come out.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 14:16:21
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20% faster for more than double the price. At least it has 24GB of VRam.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 15:33:19
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temp lock for review unlocking for NOW stay On topic, no personal attacks ... you know EVGA Terms of Use If you disagree with a Post, or information in a Link --> then say so, backup your position with your own link - BUT Do Not Argue about it & take the thread Off Topic Everyone else can read the thread & form their own opinion
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 16:18:38
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powermix24 20% faster for more than double the price. At least it has 24GB of VRam.
That's the expectation with the core count, however there is concern that it is not the case. It would be reasonable to suspect that there is a power or bandwidth limitation cutting into the gains, and that the best performing cards will need well over 400w.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 18:38:45
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 18:49:51
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Whether it’s 10%/15%/20%/30%, it’s still not worth double the price lol. You are paying for the rams. People who buy these products (including me) just want the bfg. But in saying that, I think it will be 15-20% faster than 3080. But I think where it might shine is it’s OC headroom if the power limits allows it.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 18:52:12
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^^^ Funny I remember Crysis bringing even the best systems to its knees back in the day....finished that came on my 8800GTX !!!
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 18:55:54
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rjbarker ^^^ Funny I remember Crysis bringing even the best systems to its knees back in the day....finished that came on my 8800GTX !!!
Yeah it's a meme setting, literally called "but can it run Cysis" or something like that in the settings page. So when the 7090's release in 2028, you'll be able to run it in 4K 144hz and have a good laugh.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 19:12:28
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rjbarker ^^^ Funny I remember Crysis bringing even the best systems to its knees back in the day....finished that came on my 8800GTX !!!
Yeah it's a meme setting, literally called "but can it run Cysis" or something like that in the settings page. So when the 7090's release in 2028, you'll be able to run it in 4K 144hz and have a good laugh.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 19:37:55
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Hilarious if it's true. Who would buy it for 1500 bucks? I almost hope it's true so I can have a good laugh.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 20:04:40
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That 10% article specifically states this is without drivers. It's not a hardware issue it's because those are benchmarks without drivers.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 20:38:48
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kevinc313
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kevinc313 https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidia-rtx-3090-gaming-benchmarks-leaked-just-10-faster-than-the-rtx-3080/ Disclaimer: I have no opinion or agenda regarding this information, just posting the article.
But can it run Crysis [remastered]
At about 30fps in 4K at max settings, per the LTT video. You system is looking pretty sharp these days, BTW.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 20:52:11
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Just to back OP up, this card is already out in the wild. We don't need to wait for official reviews. "VManuelGM" has informed everyone with not only 3DMark benchmarks (Firestrike, Timespy and Port Royal) with a Gigabyte variant (the one with the ghetto power connector solution) do Timespy 20% faster out of the box with no overclock (20,185 vs 17,500) but that it will don an additional 10% beyond that shunted at 550W. If you want my opinion on it my handle here is "Mooncheese": https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3090-owners-club.1753930/page-33 Basically GA102 is at the edge of the power-efficiency curve and any more performance beyond which entails a magnitude of order greater power with declining return (+160w for +10% performance).
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 21:10:22
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vulcan1978 We don't need to wait for official reviews.
I would have strongly disagreed just 4 days ago. But seeing how accurate the leaked 3080 numbers turned out to be, the leaked 3090 numbers are most likely accurate as well.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 21:50:51
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vulcan1978 Just to back OP up, this card is already out in the wild. We don't need to wait for official reviews. "VManuelGM" has informed everyone with not only 3DMark benchmarks (Firestrike, Timespy and Port Royal) with a Gigabyte variant (the one with the ghetto power connector solution) do Timespy 20% faster out of the box with no overclock (20,185 vs 17,500) but that it will don an additional 10% beyond that shunted at 550W. If you want my opinion on it my handle here is "Mooncheese": https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3090-owners-club.1753930/page-33 Basically GA102 is at the edge of the power-efficiency curve and any more performance beyond which entails a magnitude of order greater power with declining return (+160w for +10% performance). They never disappoint over there. So has anyone done the 1080 Ti vs. 2080 Ti vs. 3090 math out yet for performance gain vs. TDP? Because it ain't lookin good at all. At stock TDP, each gen gains roughly 40% performance from the previous. 1080 Ti is 250w, 2080 Ti is 260w......3090 is 350w. Wait, what? Granted the 3090 has to power extra memory, but the 24gb Titan RTX with 9% more cores was 280w and noticeably more powerful than the 2080 Ti. Yes these cards are impressive, but it looks like the real gains are less than those of Turing. At least the 3080 is a pretty good deal and a major step up from the 2080.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/19 23:32:39
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vulcan1978 Just to back OP up, this card is already out in the wild. We don't need to wait for official reviews. "VManuelGM" has informed everyone with not only 3DMark benchmarks (Firestrike, Timespy and Port Royal) with a Gigabyte variant (the one with the ghetto power connector solution) do Timespy 20% faster out of the box with no overclock (20,185 vs 17,500) but that it will don an additional 10% beyond that shunted at 550W. If you want my opinion on it my handle here is "Mooncheese": https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3090-owners-club.1753930/page-33 Basically GA102 is at the edge of the power-efficiency curve and any more performance beyond which entails a magnitude of order greater power with declining return (+160w for +10% performance).
Yes we do need to wait for trusted reviews because we can not trust biased sources and biased posts based on biased sources.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/20 02:59:13
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I think people should wait until real benchmark reviews from multiple trusted sources come out and compare. I would never recommend anyone trust just one source for news and especially leaked numbers. The full picture will be shown soon enough.
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Re: 3090 Gaming Performance leaks - 10% faster than 3080
2020/09/20 06:49:54
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Hoggle I think people should wait until real benchmark reviews from multiple trusted sources come out and compare. I would never recommend anyone trust just one source for news and especially leaked numbers. The full picture will be shown soon enough.
Half the fun is seeing if we can make an accurate forecast based on incomplete information. My best guess? They release a 3090 Titanic Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Edition using the GA100 some time in 2021.
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